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Wreck-It Bowser
- Thread starter Liquid Gen
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B!squick
Smash Master
What? Why? It was like a BBR that did stuff.Well the URC has disbanded so its ruleset may get disregarded.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Well, he's not banned where I am from. And I would still like to learn this MU better for friendlies.
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Picking Bowser back up =)
**** Falcon this is the low tier I've always wanted to main and I think I can do it if I practice hard enough.
**** Falcon this is the low tier I've always wanted to main and I think I can do it if I practice hard enough.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
zomg Happyface is here
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Falcon is pretty awesome, but Bowser da bess.
Welcome to the Koopa Kingdom.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Anyone else finds the Bowser-Marth MU fun? =)
MrEh
Smash Hero
Fighting bad Marths is sooooo fun with Bowser.
Fighting good Marths make you rage every time he knocks you offstage. -_-
B!squick
Smash Master
Way to be too popular, MrEh.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Is it because they can land tipper?
B!squick
Smash Master
Probably more because they will never let you back on stage, I'm guessing.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
because Bowser is one of the easiest characters to trap when he's on the ledge.
This is a problem in the majority of the matchups that involve Bowser, but it's even worse when against Marth.
This is a problem in the majority of the matchups that involve Bowser, but it's even worse when against Marth.
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Ask again when there is Zigsta hereabouts.
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Bowser-Marth is fun..........on the stage. Kadaj gets so excited at every chance he gets to violate my Bowser offstage. 
F-tilt is your friend in this MU, because you'll need all the range you can muster. Punch the prince in the face when he comes swinging in, but don't telegraph it.
Also, when grab releasing, be warned that Marth players can UpB to ruin your followup. You've got to either be flawless, or sneaky with a mixup by not giving chase, resulting in them wasting their UpB and getting punished for it. Remember, though, the Marth won't take the bait if he's on to you.
FSmash is also a valuable mixup in this MU, because it can punish Marth even when he spaces perfectly, if you use it right.
F-tilt is your friend in this MU, because you'll need all the range you can muster. Punch the prince in the face when he comes swinging in, but don't telegraph it.
Also, when grab releasing, be warned that Marth players can UpB to ruin your followup. You've got to either be flawless, or sneaky with a mixup by not giving chase, resulting in them wasting their UpB and getting punished for it. Remember, though, the Marth won't take the bait if he's on to you.
FSmash is also a valuable mixup in this MU, because it can punish Marth even when he spaces perfectly, if you use it right.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Does a normal F-Tilt work against his F-Air or do I HAVE to angle it upwards? It's still hard for me to angle it. ):
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
The normal f-tilt can work, but you should still practice the angled Fair, because it is a better answer to aerial assaults.
With the grab releases, a trick I learned from Zigsta is that if you know he's going to upb immediately, you can PS it and get a free uair on him.
If he's upbd you out if GR before or if you simply know he's going to do it, a good idea is to just throw him, then save the uair punish for KOing.
If he's upbd you out if GR before or if you simply know he's going to do it, a good idea is to just throw him, then save the uair punish for KOing.
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Agreed on both counts.With the grab releases, a trick I learned from Zigsta is that if you know he's going to upb immediately, you can PS it and get a free uair on him.
If he's upbd you out if GR before or if you simply know he's going to do it, a good idea is to just throw him, then save the uair punish for KOing.
Uair would definitely work if you PS the UpB, and I'm surprised I never tried it before. Normally, I go for a USmash/FSmash/Utilt punish depending on his percent/our positioning on the stage, but Uair's even better (for a kill) if you pull off the PS. Very nice trick.
And yes, there is always the throw. Just because we've got GRs, doesn't mean a throw isn't a good idea once in a while. Dthrow for damage, Bthrow/Fthrow for knockback/getting him offstage.
If you try to smash him, he can move away in his freefall state out of range or into sourspot range. Uair is good because it KOs and you can land it before he can move away.
The only reason why you should throw him isn't for a random mix up or anything like that, it's because you want to save your upb punish for a uair KO. If you punish his upb earlier he might not do it again, and if you don't punish it you're just copping unnecessary upbs when you could just throw them for damage.
The only reason why you should throw him isn't for a random mix up or anything like that, it's because you want to save your upb punish for a uair KO. If you punish his upb earlier he might not do it again, and if you don't punish it you're just copping unnecessary upbs when you could just throw them for damage.
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
1. Well, I usually time it so that he's already about to land (or he just lands) by the time my smash comes out, meaning that he can't really freefall out of the way. It's easier to do on platform-light/platformless stages like Smashville and FD, that's for sure.
Regardless of that, I already agree that Uair is the best punish if you get the PS, especially if it's for the kill. The only other logical alternative is FSmash, if you want more damage and you/your opponent's positioning is favorable to it.
2. Oh no, I didn't mean that the throw should be used as a mixup at all. I think you should do it for the same reason you said. You don't want to miss out on a chance for damage, if the Marth knows you're going to bait his UpB again.
Regardless of that, I already agree that Uair is the best punish if you get the PS, especially if it's for the kill. The only other logical alternative is FSmash, if you want more damage and you/your opponent's positioning is favorable to it.
2. Oh no, I didn't mean that the throw should be used as a mixup at all. I think you should do it for the same reason you said. You don't want to miss out on a chance for damage, if the Marth knows you're going to bait his UpB again.
KingKong_ad
Smash Ace
- Joined
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Im going full bowser in singles june 2nd in a tourney
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Holy ****, the King is back!
I'll be looking forward to any videos of you that come from that tourney.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
I'll use Bowser in the 2-day tournament of June too.
Good luck and good games man
B!squick
Smash Master
Who's this scrub?
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Please do.
But come back from where?
I don't want good players to ragequit. It's sad when that happens.
At least wait 'til SSB IV if you do...^Who's this scrub?
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Heya fellas, my rehab's gone great, and my arms haven't felt this amazing in a really long time.
I'm still strengthening my arms, but I can actually type and play video games without hurting. I'm still taking it slow just in case, but my next tournament back at the latest will be E4U Champion in June.
I'm gonna be stopping by here every few days until I feel comfortable typing extra after work on a regular schedule, but in the meantime, I'm here if you guys need anything.
I'm still strengthening my arms, but I can actually type and play video games without hurting. I'm still taking it slow just in case, but my next tournament back at the latest will be E4U Champion in June.
I'm gonna be stopping by here every few days until I feel comfortable typing extra after work on a regular schedule, but in the meantime, I'm here if you guys need anything.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
come back from getting an education
the main reason why I've barely gone to tournaments was because I was/am attending a prep boarding school in CT, but since I'm graduating in 3 weeks and am attending Syracuse U in the fall, I can actually play a lot more (if I choose to do it).
the main reason why I've barely gone to tournaments was because I was/am attending a prep boarding school in CT, but since I'm graduating in 3 weeks and am attending Syracuse U in the fall, I can actually play a lot more (if I choose to do it).
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Limit please don't raegquit.
I've been getting the idea that fighting Falcos with Bowser is a fun MU thanks to your videos.
I've been getting the idea that fighting Falcos with Bowser is a fun MU thanks to your videos.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Nope, I dont.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
no he doesnt!
B!squick
Smash Master
Flayl's a Portugalian and even he knows what rage quiting means.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and welcome back, Zig! :D It's been boring not being able to blame you for Aladdin not being released on DVD/BluRay.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and welcome back, Zig! :D It's been boring not being able to blame you for Aladdin not being released on DVD/BluRay.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Each of us has some similiarity to our respective main.
B!squick
Smash Master
FYI, don't play Starhawk multiplayer. That is all.
B!squick
Smash Master
Due to the nature of how the game works, you tend to do lots of standing around. So half the time one game I was doing nothing but dieing from people zipping by on their speeder bikes. The rest of the time myself and any buildings I had just spent the last couple minutes gathering resources for are annihilated in moments by the very overpowered tanks.
On the very rare occasion you end up in infantry v infantry combat... let me put it this way: the starter "assault rifle" is seemly less useful than the Halo 2 POS SMG. It's really bad, you can shoot a whole clip into someone and not kill them. So, you usually end up spamming nades and/or rockets if you actually want to kill anyone on foot.
Oh, and enemies can plop down gun turrets in your deployment area because, balance? Pfft, what's that?
What else... You reach the building limit really fast either because of bad players building random useless stuff or because people build multiples of buildings you don't need more than one of, but since it's difficult tell what's been built unless you actually see it, it happens.
And anybody on your team can recycle any of your team's buildings, which is better than the alternative, but that just lets noobs destroy your tank spawner for a wall in the middle of nowhere.
I like the way this reviewer summed it up:
On the very rare occasion you end up in infantry v infantry combat... let me put it this way: the starter "assault rifle" is seemly less useful than the Halo 2 POS SMG. It's really bad, you can shoot a whole clip into someone and not kill them. So, you usually end up spamming nades and/or rockets if you actually want to kill anyone on foot.
Oh, and enemies can plop down gun turrets in your deployment area because, balance? Pfft, what's that?
What else... You reach the building limit really fast either because of bad players building random useless stuff or because people build multiples of buildings you don't need more than one of, but since it's difficult tell what's been built unless you actually see it, it happens.
And anybody on your team can recycle any of your team's buildings, which is better than the alternative, but that just lets noobs destroy your tank spawner for a wall in the middle of nowhere.
I like the way this reviewer summed it up: