Wreck-It Bowser

[Uncle]

Bowser is worse in dubs than he is in singles, but he still isn't the worst. He just really needs a teammate that can effectively save him from enemy team juggles/pressure in order to work. I think that MK guy might be a great teammate for him.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Lucario is a good teammate for him imo. He can 2v1 pretty well and the two of them can set up kills quite nicely. Just let him build up aura and make sure you stock tank just in case Lucario starts to lose stocks (but even then his aura gets EVEN stronger so yeah lol).

 

[Zigsta]

Bowser is the second worst character in the game in doubles, and it's close. He's definitely worse than in singles.

I've been debating making a guide to using Bowser in doubles because I've been getting questions about it lately.

 

[Dre89]

Who do you think is the worst char?

Even though I'd be interested in reading a doubles guide, it probably isn't worth your time because hardly anyone plays him, and even if your guide is good it's not as if the ones that do will start placing all of a sudden. Plus a lot of people who main Bowser may not use him in doubles because of how bad he is.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Bowser in doubles is easy.

Get a Wario teammate, he runs away, and doesn't die.
You koopacide all 3 lives. Then share stock.
Koopacide.
Share stock.
Koopacide.

Wario 1 stock match VS. the remaining person.

Times him out.



Edit: ninja'd at 3:28 am. Who'd a thunk?

I say write the guide. It's best to log information on characters, so when you retire and bowser suddenly becomes viable, they'll lack information they could've had before.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I would be up for a guide, I mean, I actually DO use him in doubles (and have almost brought him out in a doubles tournament. I was literally THIS close to doing it, then decided not to).

 

[Flayl]

This one time I almost used Yoshi in a friendly, then I said "what the hell am I doing?" and moved the icon to random. True story.

 

[Z'zgashi]

But I actually have used Bowser in tournament, just not doubles tournament, although Ive been really close to choosing him for it.

I go Bowser in doubles MMs and friendlies all the time though.

 

[Zigsta]

ICs is the worst IMO.

I might write up a guide once I get more time to myself. I'm gonna be moving soon to CA but am basically waiting on my job to fall through.

I go almost all Bowser in doubles but occasionally CP Jiggs.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Why does everyone always think IC's are so bad in doubles, they really arent. They have a legit air game, desync blizzard controls space like a boss, they have a great uair/bair to keep people off, iceblocks are still great, etc. Just because their chain grabs dont work doesnt mean their bad, you just have to play them differently. Yes, they are much worse in doubles than they are in singles, but they are only Low-Mid at worst, their tools really arent that bad at all, and they force the other team to stick together or risk one of them being CG'd for a bit.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Desynching is like, not happening in dubs. That's probably harder than CGing, unless you are a sick desycnher

 

[Z'zgashi]

Desyncing Blizzard is easy as hell, even I can do it and I never touch ICs. You just have to do a normal desync, tell one to Blizzard, then during blizzard tap jump, then input blizzard again, then shower, rinse, repeat until you want to stop.

 

[Sky Pirate]

Jiggs sucks in dubs

...are you serious?
Jiggs is one of the most annoying things since Metaknight in doubles.

 

[Tearbear]

ICs are better at dubs than bowser is

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Desyncing Blizzard is easy as hell, even I can do it and I never touch ICs. You just have to do a normal desync, tell one to Blizzard, then during blizzard tap jump, then input blizzard again, then shower, rinse, repeat until you want to stop.

There's like 30 different desynchs ICs can do, some safe and slow, some fast but risky... Dash dance desynching perfectly is the best IMO, but it's hard.
Kakera can do it tho :D

 

[Dre89]

Zig if you're going to write a guide, it'd probably be better to do a singles one, because the currents ones are pretty outdated. Although Bowser's meta may not have changed much since then.

You could have a section which mentions good doubles partners and general strategies.

To be honest, guides which simply list different mix ups in different situations are far more helpful than those that go through every single move.

 

[Cassius.]

I honestly don't play Bowser enough in doubles to say anything at all on this

David and I were going to write a Bowser guide and we started, but couldn't finish because he quit Brawl.

I could work on Zigsta with this since my senior year is beginning to wind down, and since his life is starting to pick up a bit more I can pick up some pieces.

My tournament life is a lot more shallow than his though, I haven't been to anything since August..

 

[Flayl]

Who's David, LiquidGen?

 

[Zigsta]

David is KingKong.

Limit, I'm down to work together. I'm waiting for DWA to give me a call next week--hit me up sometime so we can talk schedules.

 

[Cassius.]

Alright, I will do that.

And yeah Flayl, David = KingKong, I just call him that for ease's sake. Gen is a UMvC3 player now :/

 

[Dre89]

So would you two be considered to top two Bowser's at the moment?

Sorry if that's a rude question, I just never hear about top Bowsers so I don't know which ones the high level ones are apart from Ixis and Vex, but I don't think they play Bowser anymore.

I know Zig you're supposed to be the best Bowser on these boards, but I'm just trying to get a general sense of who the high level Bowsers are.

 

[Tearbear]

*cough* me *cough*

 

[Zigsta]

Yes, Limit and I are considered the best at the moment. Ixis dropped Bowser for Marth last I heard, and Vex plays GW/D3 now.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

King kong tho

 

[Z'zgashi]

Z'zgashi tho.

His Bowser beat X's Marth.

 

[MrEh]

I'm a shadow of my former self.

Vex played me during the summer. He saw how free I was. :D

 

[Flayl]

Before KingKong called it quits, I nominated two Bowsers I've never seen videos of to the Top 5 thread.

I think the only character with less competition for top 5 might be Captain Falcon.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

...puff...

 

[Dre89]

Ignore this post. I had something to say, but I couldn't think of a way to word it without sounding rude.

 

[Tearbear]

ill just leave this here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo54MQWSOjM

 

[Cassius.]

i'm not understanding the message

that near-3 year old swag

 

[B!squick]

Well, back to playing Skyrim again. Not that that's a bad thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRXXJk-Q08

<3 Ghost Lucien

 

[Zigsta]

This video is seriously too good to not share: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0h3q838_f4

 

[Flayl]

Once again Gaston steals the show!

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I really wish I could sing. I love singing. A Capella is like my favorite ever.

Circle of life was a little off, though. Great video none the less.

 

[Dre89]

I'm guessing at least one or two of you have finished Bowser's Inside Story (surely right?).

I've completed the story mode (months ago, haven't touched it since) and I wanted to 100% the game, by beating all the challenge modes and getting all the pieces of gear.

Thing is, I basically had no strategy and put all my stats into attack power, yet apparently special is more important for the boss battles.

So am I screwed if I go into boss battles? Do I need to start a new file?

Also, if anyone knows what the best stat spread for the characters is that'd be a big help too.

 

[Flayl]

I just winged it IIRC, but yeah if your special stat is lower it just means you'll take more time killing the bosses. It's not exactly a super hard game. I saw getting 100% was more a matter of patience and time spent so I didn't bother.

 

[Zigsta]

I'm pretty sure I put most into attack. Hardest part for me was my mic would work sometimes. XD

 

[Flayl]

The good part of putting points into attack is that all the non-important battles go faster. Well, up until the point where you could 1-shot the random encounters anyway.

 

[Cassius.]

Yeah, I recently just finished the game again after 100%-ing my first file.

In my first file which was my first run, I just levelled up attack after realizing that Bowser's shells drastically increase his defense points. Since every move is literally avoidable and depends on your reaction time, I didn't do too much with HP. So I just put it into attack and special

With the brothers I did it a bit more randomly, still keeping special points in mind. It definitely helps to spam Might Meteor and that Spring jump move, it helps for a lot of damage.

Broggy Bonker works wonders against one-shotting Dark Bowser (I mean it forces Fawful to revive Bowser) the only downside is that you have to go to every area and look for Blitties. It's definitely worth it though

And Flayl is right, all of the random encounters will go by faster. Look into getting beans also once you get that drill bros. power-up. The attack and sp beans help a lot also. one point can make or break you being able to do a third special move, or the difference between killing your opponent, you know.

I think I ended up at level 42 for all of them in the first file. Of course the beans jacked up my stats, but whatever.

In my second file I purposely avoided everything, so I think I was like..level 15. Speaking of which, being above level 40 or below level 17 gives you two different messages at the end of the game aside from the normal one.