QUIVO
Smash Master
I think i average 60+ projectiles a game
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Wings and Brew VI: Name TBA - Columbus, OH - FIRST POST UPDATED WITH NEW RULES!
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Nope
Smash Lord
I'm kind of on OS's side with regards to the ledge grab rule. I've been somewhat concerned about it since its inception. With numbers going as low as 45 I'd be almost guaranteed to hit it at least once in most sets, probably more (I grab the ledge more often than I dsmash with ROB).
First off I think this rule is excellent and has been from the start. I'm still not sold that 45 is the proper amount yet but it needs to be determined through testing. OS I do understand that you use the ledge for all it's worth when you play ROB but the real truth is here that no one has really done testing on there own. AZ asked me to watch our edge grabs when we play a few months back and I am going to relay some of the info to everyone here.
The average edge grabs for us in a game is around 11 with any given character. Now some characters grab the ledge less (Snake) and obviously some tend to grab it more often (MK/ROB). There are also other variables to be taken into consideration (Playstyles, Matchups and Stage Selection) but the results tend to stay around the same except on norfair which it is increased somewhat. Since no one seems to take AZ or some other peoples word around here I rounded up a couple of example sets to show you.
OS in our last MM at the first circuit event you played ROB vs my Snake, the games were each 4-5 minutes long and we went to 3 games. Did you know you grabbed the ledge LESS then 45 times in all 3 of those games total? It was somewhere around 35 grabs for the whole set. When you played Vidjo MK vs ROB (Link here) you were ledge camping and shooting lasers/gyros to keep yourself in the match and stay on the stage the whole 6+ minutes of the game. You still only had 31 ledge grabs. Against Bowyer at the first circuit event in MK dittos you grabbed the ledge under 10 times in the first two games. Sure you grab the ledge a lot with ROB but lets be honest you don't play him much anymore unless it is against Snake. My whole point is here that most people don't even look at there ledge grabs after the game and then they complain about this rule. No character really gains an advantage or disadvantage from this rule. Even characters that play on the ledge a lot can still relax and play there normal game and have no concern of ever hitting this number.
I'm just asking for everyone to do some research yourself and come in with actual facts before you make outlandish claims. In fact I would love to be proved wrong if you will show me some matches that were played seriously and have more then 45 edge grabs in a game. I would be willing to bet it's rare and when it does happen that the play is boring and not a test of who has the best skill.
KAT0N
Smash Apprentice
Even when I thunder-plank with 'Chu or Skull Bash I don't exceed 30 grabs... and I do that a lot. And I never even make it to the edge with Lolimar :<
I haven't really exceeded 45 grabs unless I'm blatantly planking my *** off, stalling, or playing my scrubby MK.
My two cents.
I haven't really exceeded 45 grabs unless I'm blatantly planking my *** off, stalling, or playing my scrubby MK.
My two cents.
ArgentStew
Smash Lord
I think people are overreacting to the ledge grab rule... :/ Unless you're actually intentionally trying to plank the entire match, I don't see what the problem is... The other night when we were playing doubles, PK Fire planked on his last stock and took out the last three stocks of both his opponents... He barely hit 30 ledge grabs...
IMO, there's nothing wrong with the rule... It just needs to be tested and tweaked to find a good number...
IMO, there's nothing wrong with the rule... It just needs to be tested and tweaked to find a good number...
lou4222
Smash Lord
I agree, 50+ projectiles and your disqualified. Bananas, bombs, boomerangs, arrows, and most importantly GRENADES. I guess I cant use the OP chef anymore
Overswarm
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!!!!
YOU CAN ALSO LIMIT GRABS!
This will prevent the infinite from being an issue! Let's limit grabs to a certain amount per match, and ledges to a certain amount per match, and projectiles to a certain amount per match. Then EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED.
Heh. That'll learn 'em good.
*I'm being facetious, and all those rules are stupid*
YOU CAN ALSO LIMIT GRABS!
This will prevent the infinite from being an issue! Let's limit grabs to a certain amount per match, and ledges to a certain amount per match, and projectiles to a certain amount per match. Then EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED.
Heh. That'll learn 'em good.
*I'm being facetious, and all those rules are stupid*
Infern Angelis
Smash Master
How about to solve all our problems, lets just ban MK
QUIVO
Smash Master
This became dumb fast
Infern Angelis
Smash Master
Q I love you and want to have mixed babies with you
Overswarm
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yes it did
Guys,
If you don't like the rule you don't have to show up.
This will probably be the last time WaB uses the rule. I might use it one more time at WaB III but thats it. I simply want to look and see if anything is actually effected by it. At WaBI NO ONE had any problems when it was at 60. I don't think anyone even came close to 30 edge grabs. So, if you are going to be that one player that is effected by this then you should consider not showing if you really don't like the rule.
EDIT: I should probably update the rules to mention that this is not in effect for doubles.
If you don't like the rule you don't have to show up.
This will probably be the last time WaB uses the rule. I might use it one more time at WaB III but thats it. I simply want to look and see if anything is actually effected by it. At WaBI NO ONE had any problems when it was at 60. I don't think anyone even came close to 30 edge grabs. So, if you are going to be that one player that is effected by this then you should consider not showing if you really don't like the rule.
EDIT: I should probably update the rules to mention that this is not in effect for doubles.
Per doubles:
1) I don't think I have ever in my entire life, in Melee or Brawl, seen a match go the time limit in doubles
2) If you are excessively edge grabbing in doubles your partner is probably getting 2v1'd.
OS: lets bring it back Melee style.
1) I don't think I have ever in my entire life, in Melee or Brawl, seen a match go the time limit in doubles
2) If you are excessively edge grabbing in doubles your partner is probably getting 2v1'd.
OS: lets bring it back Melee style.
Yea, except now the Brawl equivilent, Diddy and MK.
ROFL.
ROFL.
May 2
1. AlphaZealot
2. Baro
3. Lou
4. Hence
5. TheKeist
6. Katon
7. The Jerk
8. Mr. E
9. Quivo (singles only)
10. Argentstew
11. Overswarm
12. Tyr03
13. d2law89?
14. Zach
15. Reinhart X
16. Infern
17. Upa 101
18. Cake
19. Champ
20. Capem
21. Fromundaman
22. King Beef?
23. Paranormalsin?
24. dj_Iskascribble ?
Setups (may 2)
1. Katon
2. Katon (Reinhart X)
3. The Keist
4. Lou (Keist will help pick TV up)
5. Champ
6. Cake
7. Argent ?
8. Overswarm ?
So, does anyone know the status of:
22. King Beef?
23. Paranormalsin?
24. dj_Iskascribble ?
And if
7. Argent ?
8. Overswarm ?
Are bringing set ups?
All and all I think for this venue 20ish people is PERFECT.
Please Arrive between 11AM and 12. Doubles will start PROMPTLY at 12:30. Lou will be handing doubles registration which will take place around 12:00ish. I think last time I let the start of doubles get delayed a tiny bit because King Yoshi's car was running late. I can't let that happen this time because we have to be out of the booths by 7:30PM.
Speaking of which: guys, around 7:30PM they get a small dinner rush, so we need to clear out of the booths and stick to the wall. If you are eating in the booths that is FINE though I do request that if you see customers arriving who have no place to sit then to relocate. Also do not leave your stuff in the booths.
What this means is that at around 7:15PM probably 2-3 set ups will have to be move back into people cars. We will then have about 4-5 set ups on the wall (basically what happened last time minus the 1 set up we left in the booth until about 8:30 and the other set up we had until about 8:00 in the booth).
After nine we need to knock it down to about 2-3 set ups on the wall. WE CAN STAY FOR QUITE AWHILE AFTER 9:00PM BASICALLY AS LONG AS WE KEEP ORDERING FOOD ROFL. Thats actually the best part of this tournament IMO because it was ssssssooooooooooo much fun last time chillin with everyone, eating, relaxing, playing matches here and there. So, if you can, stay late, order dinner, have a few drinks, have some fun, chillaxxx.
One last thing: there is construction going on in the sidewalk/street right outside the venue. They just put in a new side walk, they are almost finished, but in the meantime there are barriers/cones set up. So, if this is your first time heading to this venue and you see construction just know that you are close. The big landmarks to look far are: CVS and Buffalo Wings Wings. If you see these things then start looking for parking (check the maps I provided, best bet is the parking garage, I think last time most people found street parkiing) then head for the intersection of Buffalo wild wings and you are with 100 feet of the venue (its about 4 stores down the street from Bdubs, directly across the street from CVS.
If all the set ups get here that people say they can bring then everyone will get tons of playing in the entire day. I think everyone was quite happy with how things went last time and how much playing they got done.
Also remember, there is the $5 mandatory meal fee for everyone (not waved if you bring a set up) the options are:
1)9 inch cheese pizza
For this if you want a fountain drink you have to pay at the register an extra $1. Also an addition dollar for toppings. This was the most popular choice last time but almost everyone who ordered it was unable to actually finish their pizza because the portions are actually quite huge
2) appetizers and a fountain drink: there will be 5 different appetizers to choose from, I'll have to list up on the counter when you go to order food with your meal cards
3) 8 wings and a fountain drink
They have a ton of different choices for wings from mild to hot, choose wisely.
Fountain drinks are included in options 2/3. Extra dollar for option 1. Additionally these fountain drinks have infinite refills ALL DAY. Please don't leave your drinks laying around near set ups though. Also throw your trash out when you are done eating. Also don't leave food/drinks unattended for to long, if you do they may get thrown away when I do random clean up sweeps.
1. AlphaZealot
2. Baro
3. Lou
4. Hence
5. TheKeist
6. Katon
7. The Jerk
8. Mr. E
9. Quivo (singles only)
10. Argentstew
11. Overswarm
12. Tyr03
13. d2law89?
14. Zach
15. Reinhart X
16. Infern
17. Upa 101
18. Cake
19. Champ
20. Capem
21. Fromundaman
22. King Beef?
23. Paranormalsin?
24. dj_Iskascribble ?
Setups (may 2)
1. Katon
2. Katon (Reinhart X)
3. The Keist
4. Lou (Keist will help pick TV up)
5. Champ
6. Cake
7. Argent ?
8. Overswarm ?
So, does anyone know the status of:
22. King Beef?
23. Paranormalsin?
24. dj_Iskascribble ?
And if
7. Argent ?
8. Overswarm ?
Are bringing set ups?
All and all I think for this venue 20ish people is PERFECT.
Please Arrive between 11AM and 12. Doubles will start PROMPTLY at 12:30. Lou will be handing doubles registration which will take place around 12:00ish. I think last time I let the start of doubles get delayed a tiny bit because King Yoshi's car was running late. I can't let that happen this time because we have to be out of the booths by 7:30PM.
Speaking of which: guys, around 7:30PM they get a small dinner rush, so we need to clear out of the booths and stick to the wall. If you are eating in the booths that is FINE though I do request that if you see customers arriving who have no place to sit then to relocate. Also do not leave your stuff in the booths.
What this means is that at around 7:15PM probably 2-3 set ups will have to be move back into people cars. We will then have about 4-5 set ups on the wall (basically what happened last time minus the 1 set up we left in the booth until about 8:30 and the other set up we had until about 8:00 in the booth).
After nine we need to knock it down to about 2-3 set ups on the wall. WE CAN STAY FOR QUITE AWHILE AFTER 9:00PM BASICALLY AS LONG AS WE KEEP ORDERING FOOD ROFL. Thats actually the best part of this tournament IMO because it was ssssssooooooooooo much fun last time chillin with everyone, eating, relaxing, playing matches here and there. So, if you can, stay late, order dinner, have a few drinks, have some fun, chillaxxx.
One last thing: there is construction going on in the sidewalk/street right outside the venue. They just put in a new side walk, they are almost finished, but in the meantime there are barriers/cones set up. So, if this is your first time heading to this venue and you see construction just know that you are close. The big landmarks to look far are: CVS and Buffalo Wings Wings. If you see these things then start looking for parking (check the maps I provided, best bet is the parking garage, I think last time most people found street parkiing) then head for the intersection of Buffalo wild wings and you are with 100 feet of the venue (its about 4 stores down the street from Bdubs, directly across the street from CVS.
If all the set ups get here that people say they can bring then everyone will get tons of playing in the entire day. I think everyone was quite happy with how things went last time and how much playing they got done.
Also remember, there is the $5 mandatory meal fee for everyone (not waved if you bring a set up) the options are:
1)9 inch cheese pizza
For this if you want a fountain drink you have to pay at the register an extra $1. Also an addition dollar for toppings. This was the most popular choice last time but almost everyone who ordered it was unable to actually finish their pizza because the portions are actually quite huge
2) appetizers and a fountain drink: there will be 5 different appetizers to choose from, I'll have to list up on the counter when you go to order food with your meal cards
3) 8 wings and a fountain drink
They have a ton of different choices for wings from mild to hot, choose wisely.
Fountain drinks are included in options 2/3. Extra dollar for option 1. Additionally these fountain drinks have infinite refills ALL DAY. Please don't leave your drinks laying around near set ups though. Also throw your trash out when you are done eating. Also don't leave food/drinks unattended for to long, if you do they may get thrown away when I do random clean up sweeps.
KAT0N
Smash Apprentice
The pizza is quite hefty nice thick crust. Infinite refills is amazing, I'm bringing a sharpie, I'm not losing my cup again.
ArgentStew
Smash Lord
I can confirm that I'm bringing my TV... I'm not bringing my Wii... Blame whoever stole my stuff at King Yoshi's... :/
Mr.E
Smash Lord
You can buddy it up with my Wii, just like we are buddying up for doubles!
DAMMIT AZ NO SPACE IN MY NAME like Samurai(no space)Panda
DAMMIT AZ NO SPACE IN MY NAME
like Samurai(no space)Panda
Reinhart_x
Smash Apprentice
Hey AZ, just to make things clear, Reinhart_x and The Jerk are one in the same! Right now you have me signed up as both Reinhart X and The Jerk, but only my alter ego The Jerk will be attending. You dig?! Thanks 
lou4222
Smash Lord
Also team scrubtown will be here. I believe all three are coming, but two for sure. Schwa and Mars will be there
Oh, I'm frightened. :'(
Diddy and MK are easily my favorite matchups as ZSS. Although, I may consider Lucario, as my Lucario isn't terribleLOL now. Besides...Lucario is amazing, DI alone is enough to outlive your opponents. He's quite heavy, ya know.
The third scrub's name is Nest!
Btw, Zero Suit Samus is an asset in doubles!
If Baro doesn't wish to partake in doubles, is there anyone who still needs a partner?
TheKiest
Smash Champion
I still need a partner.
Also AZ I'm not going to show up in your time frame.
I'm coming at 10:30ish. heh
Also AZ I'm not going to show up in your time frame.
I'm coming at 10:30ish. heh
k, well, i wont be there till right around 10:30ish so...you may be stuck outside/in your car briefly.
Paranormalsin
Smash Ace
ill be there AZ, i confirmed it with champ last night.
Let's team, but I demand our team name be "Gee Gee Gee Gee Baby Baby Baby."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcyaq6OJun8
Just kidding about the team name.
ihu Koreans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTslxj9aCr0
Here's an example of ZSS and Kirby in teams.
I have a few things in mind if you're still using Kirby, Kiest.
Lucina Clash
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
- May 9, 2007
- Messages
- 162
Sorry, guys, I gotta sit this one out....
For two reasons: onme there is a party tomorrow and my parents are not letting me leave. Two is I am getting sick.. :|
For two reasons: onme there is a party tomorrow and my parents are not letting me leave. Two is I am getting sick.. :|
lou4222
Smash Lord
Paranormal, You should team with Zach. He needs a teammate and plays a real solid metaknight. I believe he is still looking for a partner.
TheKiest
Smash Champion
Sounds good Hence.
Yes I still and always will use Kirby. (plus some other Alts such as Ike, Wolf, Mario)
Yes I still and always will use Kirby. (plus some other Alts such as Ike, Wolf, Mario)
Nope
Smash Lord
Champ is driving to this and they will only be bringing one full setup AZ they will have two wiis though
Silhouette
Smash Lord
last minute, wakka and i will be joining and try hardest to match that extra wii
GoadMoose
Smash Journeyman
When today's WaB is over, wtb pix of teh shirts :O
PeppyWil
Smash Ace
That there post.
clowsui
Smash Legend
Doubles Results
1. AZ OS
2. ???
3. Tyr Infern
Singles Results
1. OS
2. AZ
3. Q
...
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5. Infern Angelis
...
7. Tyr
1. AZ OS
2. ???
3. Tyr Infern
Singles Results
1. OS
2. AZ
3. Q
...
...
5. Infern Angelis
...
7. Tyr
Nope
Smash Lord
fixed for you!
I'm so disappointed in myself for not making it out of pools this time.
Using characters like Pit and G&W against Paranormalsin and The Jerk was a terrible idea.
I'm confident that I would have at least beaten one of them, securing a spot in the bracket.
OS and Capem were in my pool though, which is kinda saddening.
Next weekend at Katon's tourney, you're all going down. D:
Using characters like Pit and G&W against Paranormalsin and The Jerk was a terrible idea.
I'm confident that I would have at least beaten one of them, securing a spot in the bracket.
OS and Capem were in my pool though, which is kinda saddening.
Next weekend at Katon's tourney, you're all going down. D:
Nope
Smash Lord
what he said =p
ithrowthings
Smash Lord
This'll post will probably get lost in a flood of shoutouts but I just wanted to let you know that I am now a "maybe" for the tournament on the 16th. This most likely includes my entire car. I'll let everyone in my car know to look for another ride. To quote good will hunting. If King Yoshi calls about that ride, just tell him, sorry, I have to go see about a girl.