actually it isn't well I dunno it might be. Didn't you make a thread way back when saying link should be top tier? frankly I don't remember. x_x
Oh...No, You're thinking of Savageblueboy, or was it Smashfan34...actually I can't remember either lol. It's a common mistake. We all had the same avatar so I can see where the confusion would arise. It seems Link fanboys have that Avatar in general, sadly that makes me look bad.
I'm not saying I'm not responsible, I'm saying thats why I flew off the handle. if you go back to that thread which I kinda thank you for reminding me about it, I took responsibility.
>_> because y.link sucks more in match ups then link does.
A john's a john. No biggie though, you were just tring to explain yourself.
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't check that thread again. I'm impessed with you Aesir. It takes a lot of guts for someone with your level of Pride to admit they're wrong. Nice job.
Only based on the Tier list. I don't feel like explaining the flaws with that again, hopefully you remember.
Again what crappy falcos are falling for this?
Lemme put it to you like this.
Heres falco hes the choo choo train of doom and y.link is a penny what happens when a train runs over a penny? THE ***** GETS FLATTENED bingo
Actually many pro Falcos do. Watch any vid of a pro Falco vs a Pro Link or Y.Link. They jump over the spamming and use projectiles and sex kicks to get off the few stocks they do. some even win the match. You said yourself full hop sex kick works as a mean of approach against Falco, but you're not contradicting yourself, right? lol.
Wrong. He dies a lot faster in this match up, do you have any idea what weight means in this game?
OK, for your amusement, Weight is how heavy a character is. It determines how difficult it is to knock the opponent off the edge and, in most cases, the character's jump frames. The heavier the character, the slower the jump frames. Though Y.Link is lighter, it really doesn't make much of a difference in this match up since Falco's main attempted killing move is his dair off the edge. Though Y.Link will be sent further sooner, Link only needs to be just off the edge for the spike to work. Don't get me wrong, Falco has other killing moves. I'm just referring to the most attempted. Yes, his d.smash kills Y.Link quicker, I'm just saying overall it doesn't take much more to kill Link.
secondly unless that falco is wasting his double jump he'll make it back unless its really far away from the stage. then in either case the falcos stupid.
Wait, what?.....What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? I never said he wouldn't lol. Please read what I said before you post.
uhh wow no. I said good falcos wont laser camp you I never said they won't spam. Nice job.
and it doesn't give y.link the advantage he needs. no way does it at all. just because a falco is sitting there pressing y and b doesn't mean y.link has a chance falcos are nasty when they're up close especially when they l cancel properly because then you have little room to respond.
Oh, my bad. I assumed you meant laser camping as an overall method of camping and approaching. My apologies.
I never said Y.Link has the advantage he needs in this match up. I,m just saying jumping over the spamming and spamming back along with sex kicks can get a kill maybe two throughout the match. Hmm....sex Kicks.....Contradictions?
you know if you stopped trying to find contradictions that aren't there you might actually be good at debating.
Oh my apologies good sir. You haven't been contradicting yourself at all. Full hop nair is useless against the bird. It's not like you said it worked as a method of approach. lol
first off I'll give you that, y.link probably would have a better chance getting him off with faster jump frames. but link can still get through a shl approach with a full jump even with his slow jump. Also if you wanna talk about a move that can get falco off its probably links fair around 80ish I think his fair sends fast fallers off the stage pretty quick for some strange reason.
I thought you said Link had a better chance.....contradiction?...<_< >_> <_< >_>....OK I'll stop.
You're right. Link's fair can get the bird off at 80%. You know what can get him off at even lower percents? Y.Link's D-smash.
falco doesn't even need to be pro, he just needs to know how to get damage fast and to edge guard.
That was kinda my point. The falco in the vid can SHL and pillar so just what you're looking for for the most part right?
See I I normally get really gay'd out by random, usually I'm playing a marth either on marth story or fountain of sheik. PS has its moments against marth, just as long as you don't get trapped in marth territory (its the rock stage on the left side, marth can just up b and dair as long as he wants. you have to be stupid or just over aggressive to get caught in that but its a pain.)
Yeah, tell me about it. Bad memories lol.
I'm just really blunt. Y.links range is aweful. marth just has to space and he wont be getting hit by bombs really. though if a y.link bomb does hit its pretty ow. >_> I know this from experience remember who I main now.
Alright I see your point. I still think the match up is even for both but I understand where you're coming from.
the game is not based off what ifs. you have to be realistic, thats my reasoning.
Umm....yeah, the game is heavily based off of what ifs, you know mind games. That is the reality. At the competetive level of play. You must constantly be thinking "what if I do such and such move, what counter will they have availabe." If they're approaching "what if they use such and such move. what counter would be the safest and most effective in this situation." Like you said, you have to be realistic.
its actually not, you're a link player you should know how wonderful up b out of shield is, or any aerial well excpet like dair and a few others cause thats kinda ******** dair out of shield lol.
Sorry, but I've grown out of using up b out of shield. It makes me laugh to see noobs use it every time their shield is struck. Don't get me wrong, I still use it if the opportunity allows or if I'm just bored and don't feel like paying hard cuz I know I'll win, however it doesn't help link's shield game much at the competetive level. If you want to refer to arials, let's look at the jump frames again. Y.Link's, faster. He has a better chance of hitting with arials out of the shield than Link. Link's only advantage is a longer hook shot.
okay am I suppose to argue this cause I can't seem to find a way to argue it. <_<
Okay then don't. Pretty simple
No any good sheik will just space your projectiles away, its kinda sad how easy it is. sheik has to kill link at higher percents in order to get a kill where as with y.link sheik can be lazy and get early kills.
Try spacing those nasty little bombs he has. One hit and your set up for a series of combos. Obviously Shiek has a huge advantage cuz she can space the bombs really well. However, it only takes a few bombs throughout the match and from there edge guarding Shiek is cake to get a kill or two. Link on the other hand.....I'd rather not go into detail. All I can say is you need some crazy mindgames or you're screwed.
Nah even then you might start some damage but it won't last long. needles go through everything. jabs do too. one grab pretty much ends all hope too.
Bombs. That's all I can say. Try swatting that little stun bug and you're all set to be comboed. As far as needles, exactly what I was saying earlier if The Y.Link is throwing bombs randomly, needles will deflect them. If the Y.Link throws it at her head, needles don't do much.
I don't lol, I don't watch all his match ups if he's playing some type of link I'd rather not watch its mean.
lol, good point. You should ask im if he's played any good Y.Link's. And basically by that I mean pro Y.Links. There are very few Y.Link's who are good who aren't pro.
I just know he'd rather play against a young link then a link cause he says early kills happen a lot even with proper DI sheiks fair has a stupid hit box. even if you DI it you'll be off the stage and ope perfectly spaced bair in the face sends you to your death.
Again, ask him if you get a chance.
we already did, hes shown nothing.
Keep at it. He should have something. Buzz isn't known for random posts with no backup.
Again, I don't remember where I saw it. Keep checking with Buzz.
I've yet to contradict myself
also its a generaly rule of thumb to not use azen in low tier discussions.
"Cough" Full hop sex Kicks, "Cough" Falco only needs to know how to damage fast/ edge guard, "Cough" "Cough" I get bad stage match ups, that's why I think Link only goes even on FD, "Cough" Y.Link has faster arials out of shield yet Link's up b gives him a better shield game, "Cough" jabs go through bombs, "Cough" Ahem....Sorry my throat is really sore.....Oh yeah you haven't been contradicting yourself.
OK, Captain Jack?
I'm stubborn and opinionated thats why =(
Darn it why didn't you say that earlier. I wouldn't have bothered arguing this poinltess topic of who sucks more. Oh well GG. It may be better to finish this discussion in a PM since this is going nowhere.
No offense Aesir, but you've been arguing some mindless points recently. Not to say everything Chip stated is 100% accurate either. I mean, I use Link so I'm here to support him. However, Some of you are confused about what Chip was pointing out earlier. He didn't really mean Y.Link does well vs. Falco, he meant he does better than Link, which is true. They both are screwed in the match up, it's just that Link will get three or four stocked while Y.Link will get two or three stocked. Like Chip was saying, Y.Link's projectiles have stun and can be pulled out faster. Though it would be hard to pul off, just one bomb is all you need to advance on Falco. As long as you're not playing on FD, Y.Link can use his projectiles to advance on Falco and get a few combos in here and there. Link on the other hand can barely move much less pull out projectiles while being hit by those darn lasers. I'll see if I can find some vids of Chip playing a decent Falco. The Falco isn't pro but he seems good enough to show what Y.Link can do in the match up. As far as Marth, I'd have to say the match up for Link and Y.Link is pretty even. Though Marth will screw Y.Link when he get's close, he has to get close to do so. From the start of the match Y.Link can pull a bomb and stand ready for the assault. If he can hit with at least one projetile, he has the opportunity to combo Marth and he has some decent combos in the match up. Link also follows a similar format. His projectiles don't combo as much, though they rack up some damage as Marth advances. Unlike Y.Link, Link isn't hopeless as Marth closes in. Link's priority and range close up serve him enough to hold his own against Marth. Overall, both match ups are fairly even. As far as Shiek, I'm sorry but Y.Link just flat out does better. He can only be chain grabbed from 40 to 70% and his projectile combos make Shiek a difficult matchup but not a counter as with Link. Most Y.Link Players would agree. Aesir doesn't use Y.Link competetively so I don't see how he came to his conclusion. Overall, both characters lose the matchup, it's just that Y.Link won't lose as bad. 
you just love setting yourself up for these don't you. Here I'll use your reasoning. One of Link's few moves to get Falco off the edge to edge guard him is his full hop sex kick. Link has an easier time doing that than Y.Link. Oh....Wait....Y. Link has faster jump frames and overall a better jump than Link. Guess that means Y.Link has the easier time. Don't think I'm trying to say that's the only move. I'm just using your reasoning since you like to contradict yourself.
