Why Cant You Beat M2k

[Mew2King]

PS: there is just one thing , he really is a robot. And he doesnt like to lose. I still remember when my friend a (peach/sheik) player was beating him in evo 2k7 friendly and M2K reset the GameCube lol.

Another friend of mine (a Rob player) managed to beat him on one match in Fast one, his nick was Zero

1) wtf, that never happened, I would never do that, I don't know who told you that at all

2) luigis mansion, I forward Bd off the level at really low % and lost the match cuz of it, but I 3 stocked him the next game on smashville. Like I think he was a good player but winning because I forward Bd off the stage isn't really winning

 

[JonaDiaper]

I would **** Drephen in Sheik dittos

At Viva La Smash last year I had a really bad controller. This is because the day after SCC my controller got stolen, this was sept 30th 2007. Almost all of october I didn't attend a tourney. When VLS came around, I was using a random controller that my friend gave me, but it was really bad. I couldn't dash behind me quickly, which is very important in chain grabs, up throw to fairs with marth, dashing away after fairing a sheild to avoid getting shield grabbed, and many other things. With a bad controller I can't play good at all. That's why I did so bad at VLS, I could have potentially won that tourney had I still had my SCC controller. If you don't believe me you can ask Cactuar or Scar, they will back me up on this, I didn't even wanna attend that tourney because of that. Controller affects me a lot in Melee.

not to discredit the people that played me at fast, but i don't think i was that good at melee at that tourney, because I kept messing up CGs, jab edge guards, and powershields, and I normally don't mess them up so much, but I think that was because I haven't meleed in so long and was nervous. I still think Shiz is the best falco though, or PC's prime actually, I don't know. But on another note, I haven't practiced melee hardly at all in 2008 unless I'm going to play someone (like once every month or two at cactuars generally), so I don't know if it will get any better until maybe next summer vacation if I hear there's big tourneys for just melee. I'm just trying to ride off my 2007 ability, I think the best I've played in a tourney was the FCD finals.

but here's the thing I don't get. Why do people want me to lose? some people said it's cuz I won too much, but don't i deserve to win? I haven't even made the money that I should have because of bad luck with random things (half of this comes from Evo World), but whenever I'm at any tourneys people always want the other person to win unless they are friends of mine or from my region. I think that's dumb. I root for who I want to win, but usually say nothing at all, instead of just going with crowd bias.

I'm not a robot

hey m2k... i read the part about why you dont get why people want you to lose. i felt bad =/ its not that i want you to lose, its that im wondering why no one can beat you. you really have dominated mostly everyone except mango. i just wanna see close matches and not 2 minute matches where you 4 stock top players. i mean your freakin good. too good. and i wish somone would step up to atleast give you a challenge

 

[_kSo_]

I cant believe a thread like this exists. If you guys want to beat M2K practice all esentials things like he did: situation , character specific, Counters, stage situation , % kills etc etc, there is a lot more to winning that just practice combos and think your the best until measured with the best.

Its not That I prefer M2K to win tournaments but if he is the better player in X tournament and he wins. Who are we to takethat credit from him.

And cactuar Im sorry ur not near his lvl not by a long shot. neither am I.
Dashiz had an oportunity but he forgot to play safe and spacing so he lost.

People forget to play smart thats just it.

PS: there is just one thing , he really is a robot. And he doesnt like to lose. I still remember when my friend a (peach/sheik) player was beating him in evo 2k7 friendly and M2K reset the GameCube lol.

Another friend of mine (a Rob player) managed to beat him on one match in Fast one, his nick was Zero

so people it can be done it just take dedication

But we cant take from him that he is the best and he wins because of his dedication.

Seriously what? lol

did you just put yourself in the same category as cactuar?

ಠ_ಠ

 

[JesiahTEG]

PS: there is just one thing , he really is a robot. And he doesnt like to lose. I still remember when my friend a (peach/sheik) player was beating him in evo 2k7 friendly and M2K reset the GameCube lol.

That doesn't sound like M2K at all...

 

[Fox Hater]

1) wtf, that never happened, I would never do that, I don't know who told you that at all

2) luigis mansion, I forward Bd off the level at really low % and lost the match cuz of it, but I 3 stocked him the next game on smashville. Like I think he was a good player but winning because I forward Bd off the stage isn't really winning

1- I saw it happen, you then starded to ask people wich stage or character you should use. I said ur falco against his peach and you say "no that match up is ******** " and picked Link lol. so I left to play SK92

2- yeah i saw the match but it was a pretty close one. and yes in the 3rd one you 3 stocked him. But I mentioned the match as reference that its not imposible. like I mentioned before u are the best right now and people have to step it up in order to acomplish being the best.

And I have seen that people think that making cool fancy "adv" tactics will help them win and they are wrong. First you study the aspects situations, punishments, errors, weakness of characters, etc etc to really became a pro.

I think there is a gap in experience when you compare guys like (M2K, PC, Ken, Chu,HDL(his from PR but he plays smart too, Azen) and people think they play good cause the can do a waveshine, pillar, ken combo or wobbling).

That was the reason of my post.

By the way those I mentioned are the ones I though had a chance to beat him. Most of them are retired. Havent heard from PC lately on the boards.

Wish I could go to USA again to play pros like you again

and no Im not in the league of cactuar I dont practice melee anymore competitive. Unless I plan to go to USA again. maybe for vacations. I did manage to 3 stock him but that was a year ago and he then beated me too. I just mentioned myself too so he didnt think I was trying to say I was better than him but still you thought I was.

Dont want to start a flame war cause he gets offended fast lol.

 

[RaynEX]

Is this guy Mexican?

 

[Vodage]

I vote that if m2k gets any better than the rest of the community, he should be forced to main Mewtwo. Then they'll have to move Mewtwo up the tier list based on tournament results even though he's a wack char.

But seriously, I don't know how he got so good. But yeah I'm a big fan of 'tires don exits'; I wanna see Ka-Master randomly beat him just cuz he wasn't expecting it

Only problem is that he's studied all of the chars so he probably knows low-tier matchups as well.

Here in the Bay Area, we've usually got Zhu and Falcomist vying for the top spot at local Melee tournies. Falcomist has started using Marth, so maybe Zhu's Falco will do well against m2k if they ever end up playing eachother.

Idk, I've been watching his videos and there's only a few things I see that he does that are different from most advanced players. I'm not nearly at that level yet, though. I'd be more likely to give him a run for his money with my F-Zero GX records, anyway.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Yeah its more fun to watch shiz play him, his style is much more flashy than mine. Plus they don't play as often as we do. And zhu would be fun to watch too since i've never seen them play. No offense taken.

I'd get trashed by him. I've never had even a mid level Marth to practice against so I really don't know the matchup at all. If anything, I'd just try to imitate Shiz's style from that one set with M2K, so I doubt it'd be anything new.

 

[puckgood]

I kinda like having one champion in melee. We had Ken for a long time, didn't we? It's nice to have one person you can watch and say, "Maybe, if I replace my brain with a super computer and donate my soul to the devil, I might actually be able to play like that one day." It's like a role model type thing, and it kind of says that melee is very skill based. M2K is simply incredibly technical - once you become the fountain of knowledge for the whole melee comunity (frame rate, speed, jumps.... you've read his guide, it's scary) you deserve to be the person everyone looks up to. Sure, it would be nice to have some competition, like PC and Ken, and that would only serve to make him better. But frankly? Even if someone beats M2K, he'll comeback and still be the champ. He'll just have been taken by surprise. Unless there's an M3K out there....

And M2K.... when we say you're a robot, that's a compliment. I wouldn't mind being a robot....

 

[JonaDiaper]

m2k isnt that technical. you dont need to learn anything special to play marth. except maybe pivoting. thats besides the point. someone just needs to step it up

 

[Fox Hater]

Is this guy Mexican?

lol no, get some history and geography lessons my friend

Caribbean and PR are not part of Mexico, We Are Part of US its funny how people hear or read some spanish quotes and say "Ilegal aliens" but come on give them a break,

And yeah like I said before people need to step it up.

 

[JonaDiaper]

^^^
boricua!! que la que?? im puerto rican too =D

 

[Eazy23]

foxhater, have u EVER played mah ****** cactus?
I wud bet 200 dollars that he would 3-4 stock u in 10 matches in a row.

 

[Fox Hater]

foxhater, have u EVER played mah ****** cactus?
I wud bet 200 dollars that he would 3-4 stock u in 10 matches in a row.

I've already did and Im not impressed he may not want to remember but those who came from PR kick his ***. well I think we all were pretty even. I bet if he comes to PR he will get a beating. Still I need to watch a more recent figth of him cause I've been out of the picture for a long time.

Jona where are you from in US and where were you born in PR

 

[Stos]

..
M2K is a ****ing robot.

 

[C!Z]

m2k isnt that technical. you dont need to learn anything special to play marth. except maybe pivoting. thats besides the point. someone just needs to step it up

That was a pretty noobish thing to say.

 

[JonaDiaper]

I've already did and Im not impressed he may not want to remember but those who came from PR kick his ***. well I think we all were pretty even. I bet if he comes to PR he will get a beating. Still I need to watch a more recent figth of him cause I've been out of the picture for a long time.

Jona where are you from in US and where were you born in PR

im in NY......nah i wasnt born in PR....

That was a pretty noobish thing to say.

kinda the truth tho

 

[Cactuar]

And cactuar Im sorry ur not near his lvl not by a long shot. neither am I.
Dashiz had an oportunity but he forgot to play safe and spacing so he lost.

Uh... I never said I was near his level? Anything said in relevance to me vs M2K was by Eggm, and that is purely in regard to us head to head, not overall as players. I know M2K's style better than any other player...

You randomly saying you 3 stocked me in a friendly a year ago seriously doesn't mean anything. It is widely known that I don't play to win in friendlies, and I don't remember any of what you said supposedly happened. I'm not getting defensive, it's just stupid when people try to talk big because of something that doesn't even matter to me.

Also, you saying ANY Peach player ***** my Marth immediately ruins your credibility.

 

[KirbyKaze]

m2k isnt that technical.

i stopped reading there.

 

[Eggm]

Same with me kirby kaze lol. Jona you honestly don't live that far from NJ, come to a philly or NJ tournament one time that m2k's at and play him then you'll realize the answer to the threads title. You will also bite your tounge for saying m2k isn't that technical. LOL. He is by far more technical than like any player but silent wolf. Not only that but he applies the tech skill nearly perfectly. Hes WD'd off the edge through my ftilt and up smashed me like it was daily routine. Lol. I didn't say cactuar was on m2k's level I said I think he is going to be the next person to beat m2k in tournament if anyone.

I also agree with m2k when he said he was playing like trash at VLS. At around the time I wasn't even close to m2k in skill and got him down to 1 stock in both our pool matches, and it didn't feel like him at all. Like 3 tournaments before that at VLS when he had that good controller i was getting consistently 3-4 stocked in tournament.

He also played awful at FAST. Especially in the finals. Shiz did a ton of risky stuff that normally doesn't work and got away with a lot that would normally have gotten him killed. I had like 6 different people from my area on aim i sent that set to that asked if it was really m2k. I had to assure them it was. Not to discredit shiz, he is the best falco as m2k thinks. For now. But IMO it would have been a lot less close if m2k was practicing melee for a week and didn't have 100 people screaming at him making the room vibrate ( it really was) .

 

[JonaDiaper]

how technical do you have to be to play marth??? seriously you just need basics to play as him but experience to play the way he does. anyways m2k should main falcon

 

[The_T0k3n_Effect]

Gawd, man. Instead of bashing this dude I just wish I was on his level. Shoot, by time I get there, he'll have retired by now. BTW I heard that this dude has actually memorized the framerates for EVERY attack (hope I said that right).

And man! FALCO?! I knew Falco had a lot of grief by always being second banana, but man. I love Falco. It's a shame ppl are dropping him.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Memorizing the framerate for every move is easy; 60 frames/second.

I know what you mean though, and no, I am very sure that Mew2King hasn't done anything like that. He made a pretty big statistics list though, although I think he said a couple of times that he thinks it was a waste of time and that he regrets it. (Don't kill me if I'm wrong on this one)

EDIT: Talking of Mew2King, how hot would it be if he took a picture of his controller for the 1000 controller salute?

 

[The_T0k3n_Effect]

Memorizing the framerate for every move is easy; 60 frames/second.

I know what you mean though, and no, I am very sure that Mew2King hasn't done anything like that. He made a pretty big statistics list though, although I think he said a couple of times that he thinks it was a waste of time and that he regrets it. (Don't kill me if I'm wrong on this one)

EDIT: Talking of Mew2King, how hot would it be if he took a picture of his controller for the 1000 controller salute?

1) Lol, I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes. I overthink things alot.

2) But anyway, when you say statistics list, you mean a list of all the damage %s, punishment time, etc.?

3)Yes it would be. I would take a pic myself, but all I have is two crappy-*** Gamestop controllers that malfunction after a single use...

 

[Eggm]

Jona he plays more than just marth, he uses his fox/sheik a lot (especially in teams). But even his marth is ******** technical (rarely missing 0-death cg combos on fox/falco on FD) Frame perfect ariels into other ariels or wavelands perfect dashes out of WD's perfect wd's from the ledge on to the stage. Hes like frame perfect in the down throw poke turn around grab thing. And the speed he lets go of the edge for edge guards is redkonculus. I could go on and on lol. But yeah like I said just play him for an hour all your questions will be answered LOL.

 

[JonaDiaper]

if i played him for an hour i would beat him once. no doubt

 

[puckgood]

JonaDiaper: Holy. Crap. "M2K's not that technical"? Have you seen the list of statistics everyone is talking about? He might call it useless, but it is still the best info on the web about melee. NO ONE COMES CLOSE. And Marth isn't that technical? What the heck do you mean? Watch a good Marth sometime. Maybe Fox is more technical (Possibly Falco) but Marth is NOT easy to be.

I'm with Tok3n. M2K deserves to be at the top. Deal. With. It. Or beat him yourself. Don't beg Shiz and Eggm and everyone to do it for you. I can understand people sometimes disliking Ken (that BYOC Atlanta was a killer) but the only reason you'd dislike M2K is jealousy. Or he murdered your parents. Whatever.

EDIT: Wow, this thread updates fast. And JonaDiaper? Do yourself a favor and stop posting for a little while. Your claiming that you could obtain what even most pros consider the holy grail. Maybe you'd beat him if you got really lucky. But the "no doubt" bit was little much.

 

[spider_sense]

M2K is God. Well, when I drove him around that Brawl tourney in Miami. I thought he was God...I thought I saw holy light, but then I realized it was just his pale skin. =P J/k M2k. I love you man. <3

 

[Mogwai]

if i played him for an hour i would beat him once. no doubt

lmao, I wouldn't be surprised if you played him for an hour and never took off more than 1 stock. You really have no idea what you're talking about until you play him.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

1) Lol, I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes. I overthink things alot.

2) But anyway, when you say statistics list, you mean a list of all the damage %s, punishment time, etc.?

3)Yes it would be. I would take a pic myself, but all I have is two crappy-*** Gamestop controllers that malfunction after a single use...

Mostly it's rather unimportant stuff, like item throwing speeds and such. However, there's also some stuff that's useful if you want to get into some of the more technical aspects of smash. Exact lists of fall speed (average, accelaration, top speed) weight, running speed, walking speed, and size can be useful at times.

Also, don't worry about having a crappy controller; every controller counts when we have such a high goal as 1000. Go ahead and take a picture!

 

[Eggm]

if i played him for an hour i would beat him once. no doubt

Yeah, I thought the same thing, I believe it took me like 3 months to beat him in a single friendly at tournaments when i moved back to NJ. I don't blame you for thinking that. I thought it too.

lmao, I wouldn't be surprised if you played him for an hour and never took off more than 1 stock. You really have no idea what you're talking about until you play him.

Yep.. Like I said in those other posts just play him and all your questions will be answered lmao.

 

[Cactuar]

if i played him for an hour i would beat him once. no doubt

Lol. Random from Port Chester. You play Chris at all?

 

[JonaDiaper]

yea i know, but you never know. melee is one of those games where anything can happen. like a 9 year old kid can beat a guy with marth. wtf is that. but yea im not jealous of m2k and i already explained why i made this thread.

@ Cactaur : chris is impossible to reach. i aim him sometimes he never responds, he lives really close to me but like i said he never responds to me. if i could get a chance to get to know him andplay him, i would probly be really good by now.

(i just im'd him now, no response =[ )

 

[Eggm]

I"m just gonna pretend you said the opposite of what you said now so I don't get annoyed that much LOL. The whole reason melee is so great is that 9 year olds (or anybody who doesn't know the game) can't beat people who know the game.

And when you said "you never know" We know LOL. Again just stop saying stuff till you play him, then this will all make sense.

 

[Mogwai]

yea i know, but you never know. melee is one of those games where anything can happen. like a 9 year old kid can beat a guy with marth. wtf is that. but yea im not jealous of m2k and i already explained why i made this thread.

Sounds like you're thinking of brawl... Melee isn't one of those games where anything can happen. There is very little randomness to it at all.

 

[The_T0k3n_Effect]

yea i know, but you never know. Brawl is one of those games where anything can happen. like a 9 year old kid can beat a guy with marth. wtf is that.

I had to fix that...

I'm with Tok3n. M2K deserves to be at the top. Deal. With. It..

And yes, he does. But one question to anyone who knows, is he just at the top in the USA community? 'Cuz I'm just saying, Bombsoldier vs. Mew2King vid would be awesome (even tho Bomb's in Japan).

Then again, his Fox could possibly **** bombsoldier's Falco. I'll have to look at both their vids more closely

 

[JonaDiaper]

does anyone know if pc still plays melee? and can someone that knows him reach him and tell him to play me >.< seriously i wanna play him atleast so i can get some experience from that mother

 

[Vts]

It seems the more people play fox/falco the better m2k gets vs them and you almost never see falco win tournaments, i personaly hope m2k stays at the top but becomes little more friendly, i haven't met him but from what i hear he can be a ****.

The people who will beat him will look at how he plays and find where he messes up and exploit it, maybe someone will get good enough with other characters instead of fox/falco/marth/peach/shiek/falcon, i know a lot of other characters are easily gimped but work around it. Look at mango he beat m2k and other pros using jigglypuff, hug$ done all that needs to be said, Bum is amazing. I would just like to see something other than fox/falco beat m2k.

just my 2 cents and post

 

[The_T0k3n_Effect]

It seems the more people play fox/falco the better m2k gets vs them and you almost never see falco win tournaments, i personaly hope m2k stays at the top but becomes little more friendly, i haven't met him but from what i hear he can be a ****.

I heard that too. I heard he never lets up even for a moment, he toys with you, and doesn't go easy on you even when he knows you can't win. The dude likes to **** wit' cho MYND!

That's what I HEARD. But when your the best, that sorta arrogance just comes with the title. So why shouldn't he, I guess?

 

[Mew2King]

I'm a really nice guy, I don't know what you heard about me but it's wrong. The only part that's true in that is that i toy with people sometimes, but not with malicious intent.