Who would YOU have added, if you were Sakurai?

[Mogisthelioma]

Piranha Plant was a joke meant to catch the Smash community off guard and should be treated as an exception in any discussion.

That's not true at all, unless I missed something. There's mo evidence that the devs wanted to include Piranha Plant just to catch people off guard. So far it's been treated as any other newcomer by the devs. They thought it would be a nice addition to the game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's not true at all, unless I missed something. There's mo evidence that the devs wanted to include Piranha Plant just to catch people off guard. So far it's been treated as any other newcomer by the devs. They thought it would be a nice addition to the game.

You didn't miss anything. It wasn't even a surprise character in the same way as ones like Wii Fit Trainer. Sakurai just wanted a fun and unique non-protagonist. That was it. Sure, he mentioned that PP was iconic too, which surely played a role(as any general enemy wouldn't have gotten in unless they were highly known too). It was likely bonus DLC since people like to see generic enemies(that aren't Pokemon) as somehow "unrealistic", despite that never mattering at all. But it being a general enemy wasn't really a problem anyway.

 

[Standlord]

For me the characters from the Grinch leak + some tweaks here and there would have made for an almost perfect roster all things considered. But, if I have to follow the rules of the thread, I would do as follows:

- If we can include something else and not another Pokemon, then I would replace Incineroar with a Hunter from Monster Hunter. If there has to be a Pokemon and it has to be from the 7 gen, I would replace Incineroar with Decidueye, which has a much more interesting design and moveset. This is to date one of my biggest dissapointments with the game because I just hate Incineroar's design (let's say I have strong opinions about Pokemon designs) and now he is in smash "forever". Plus, from a gameplay perspective his moveset is nothing spectacular (for me at least).
- I would replace Dark Samus for some other more fitting echo. Depending on the approach, Alph, Dixie Kong or Shadow could all have been better options in my opinion. I don't understand why this character was so popular for smash (I guess because of the Ridley dilema prior to Ultimate), but if anything, she should have had more unique traits. I'm on the opinion that to do something half-assed, sometimes is better to not do it and do something else instead. Sure this could be said to some degree for all echoes and even some other characters, but I just don't see the point on having this character in this particular way.
- An lastly, I would replace Piranha Plant with... anything, honestly. Preferably Isaac because I believe it's one of the most deserving characters right now and because he has great moveset potential. Geno or Skull Kid would have been fine too. I get the idea behind the character, but come on, not everything has to be a character just to represent something, especially when there are so many much more wanted characters.

I'm fine with all the DLC characters so far, we will see how it ends.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

You didn't miss anything. It wasn't even a surprise character in the same way as ones like Wii Fit Trainer. Sakurai just wanted a fun and unique non-protagonist. That was it. Sure, he mentioned that PP was iconic too, which surely played a role(as any general enemy wouldn't have gotten in unless they were highly known too). It was likely bonus DLC since people like to see generic enemies(that aren't Pokemon) as somehow "unrealistic", despite that never mattering at all. But it being a general enemy wasn't really a problem anyway.

Wait a minute, I though PP was originally going to be in the base game. What's this about bonus DLC? I mean it was certainly a bonus being free but IIRC the original plan was to have PP be in game but got delayed because (lo and behold) Smash ended up being another rushed Switch game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wait a minute, I though PP was originally going to be in the base game. What's this about bonus DLC? I mean it was certainly a bonus being free but IIRC the original plan was to have PP be in game but got delayed because (lo and behold) Smash ended up being another rushed Switch game.

That's a theory people made. It's Bonus DLC because you didn't have to pay for it originally. It was worked on before Ultimate released, but we have no clue if it was meant to be base game or not. However, Sakurai's own statement points to him being DLC from the start. He never made any additions to the roster before or after he had it finalized(to be clear about Incineroar, he was still planned, but as a slot, and worked on obviously when the character had concept art/etc. to go off of. He was developed later on, but planned to be in the game from the start. Which also implies that we'd have had a Pokemon newcomer no matter what, even if Decidueye and Incineroar didn't work out, specifically from Sun/Moon in some way).

The only way the statements don't contradict is that PP was fully intended as bonus DLC or just DLC in general. Being a decisive character by design, Bonus(not paid at first) was probably the final thought, though when he figured it would be that is unknown. But yes, Sakurai's statements point to it never being part of the base roster, just worked on while the rest of the base roster was still being finished. This is the same time while they were still doing Palutena's Guidances, which is why it got one.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

That's a theory people made. It's Bonus DLC because you didn't have to pay for it originally. It was worked on before Ultimate released, but we have no clue if it was meant to be base game or not. However, Sakurai's own statement points to him being DLC from the start. He never made any additions to the roster before or after he had it finalized(to be clear about Incineroar, he was still planned, but as a slot, and worked on obviously when the character had concept art/etc. to go off of. He was developed later on, but planned to be in the game from the start. Which also implies that we'd have had a Pokemon newcomer no matter what, even if Decidueye and Incineroar didn't work out, specifically from Sun/Moon in some way).

The only way the statements don't contradict is that PP was fully intended as bonus DLC or just DLC in general. Being a decisive character by design, Bonus(not paid at first) was probably the final thought, though when he figured it would be that is unknown. But yes, Sakurai's statements point to it never being part of the base roster, just worked on while the rest of the base roster was still being finished. This is the same time while they were still doing Palutena's Guidances, which is why it got one.

Alright, that makes way more sense now. Thanks!

 

[SVG360]

Yup!

Only Crash is left!

I agree cause he is left to make the impossible happen.

 

[txhy8]

Here's Mine

Everyone from Ultimate plus:
Geno
Poochy
Waluigi
Captain Syrup
Funky Kong
Dixie Kong
Urbossa
Young Impa
Sylux
Banda Waddle Dee
Maglor
Krystal
Rillaboom
Porkey
Black Shadow
Virdi
Louie
Tom Nook
Elma
Octolings
Isaac
Mach Rider
Chorus Kids
Primid
Raiden
Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Dr Eggman
Roll
Ms. Pac Man
Chun Li
Akuma
Tifa
Alucard
Ryu Haybussa
Arle
Crash Bandicoot
Coco Bandicoot
2B
Dante
Monster Hunter
Sora
Lloyd Irving
Yuri Lowell
Spyro
Kos-Mos
Bill Rizer
Doomguy
Shantae
Saber
Travis Touchdown
Scorpion
Rayman
Lara Croft
Master Chief

 

[Dan]

"Prinina Plant"...

 

[HARBlNGER]

Back in Smash 4 I would've added Medusa instead of Dark Pit. Then when Ultimate arrives and introduces their "Echo Fighters" term for clones I would've revealed Dark Pit as one of the new ones.

 

[Dan]

Back in Smash 4 I would've added Medusa instead of Dark Pit. Then when Ultimate arrives and introduces their "Echo Fighters" term for clones I would've revealed Dark Pit as one of the new ones.

Medusa as a Palutena clone?

 

[Perkilator]

Well, here’s my hat in the ring again after over two years:

Spoiler: 64

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Spoiler: Melee

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   • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
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2. (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
   • Complete Event Match #37
   • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
   • 200 Vs. Matches
3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
   • Unlock 100 different Trophies
   • 300 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Battlefield)
   • Clear 100-Man Melee
   • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
   • 400 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
   • Use all 15 starters in Classic or Adventure Mode
   • 500 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: Great Bay)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 600 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
   • Clear Event Match #29
   • Clear Adventure Mode as , and on Hard+
   • 700 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Final Destination)
   • Play for a total of 15 hours
   • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
   • 800 Vs. Matches
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   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as on Hard+ without continuing
   • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as
   • 900 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
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Spoiler: Brawl

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   • Recruit in SSE
   • Reflect 10 projectiles
   • 10 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
   • 25 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: )
   • After beating SSE, head to a door in The Swamp
   • Beat 20 Event Matches
   • 50 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Corneria)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear 100-Man Brawl
   • 100 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Beat Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
   • 200 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Beat Classic Mode as and on Hard+
   • 300 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Beat Target Smash with 20+ characters
   • 400 Vs. Matches
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   • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
   • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
   • 500 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: )
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 600 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 750 Vs. Matches
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    • After beating SSE, head to a door in The Forest
    • Beat Classic Mode as , and without losing a life
    • 900 Vs. Matches
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    • After beating SSE, head to a door in The Ruins
    • Beat Boss Battles on any difficulty
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Spoiler: Smash 4 (Base)

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1. (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
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2. (Stage fought: Unova League / Kalos League)
   • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
   • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
   • 20 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos League)
   • Summon a Poke Ball Pokémon 100 times
   • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
   • 30 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
   • Clear 100-Man Smash
   • 40 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
   • Clear Classic Mode as , and on 5.5+
   • 50 Vs. Matches
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   • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
   • 60 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ )
   • Get 10 KO's with the help of a Superspicy Curry
   • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
   • 70 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
   • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
   • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
   • 80 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Unova League / Hyrule Temple)
   • Get 30 combined KO's with 's and 's Final Smashes (3DS only)
   • Outlast up to 300% damage
   • 90 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as
    • 100 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 110 Vs. Matches
12. (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and on 5.5+
    • 125 Vs. Matches
13. (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 150 Vs. Matches
14. (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
15. (Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
16. (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches

Spoiler: Smash 4 (DLC)

DLC Pack 1

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   • Stage: Fourside

DLC Pack 2

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DLC Pack 3

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DLC Pack 4

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Spoiler: Ultimate (Base)

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Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 1

1. Bonus Fighter: Mimikyu
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Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 2

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4. Edelgard
   • Stage: Garreg Mach Monastery
5. Bandana Dee
   • Stage: Castle Dedede
6. Dr. Eggman
   • Stage: Studiopolis Zone

 

[Oracle Link]

i mean if i where Sakurai i would think like him so i Would ad Marx, Mr.Frosty, Chief Kawaski and a bunch of Fe Characters

But i know what you meant so heres my new roster:

 

[HARBlNGER]

Medusa as a Palutena clone?

Nah, Medusa as her own character. But she could work as a clone or semi clone easily.

 

[Dan]

Nah, Medusa as her own character. But she could work as a clone or semi clone easily.

Well you can't really swap a clone for a unique.

 

[jamesster445]

Here's my revisionist history where I got to pick the roster throughout the series.
I am going to hold my self to the same standards and development challenges that were relevant at the time. I'm not going to replace Young Link with 2B or anything like that. Young Link's design philosophy as a Melee clone is radically different than a at the time unprecedented guest character who didn't even exist yet.

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• Replace with Daisy. I know she'll come to Ultimate in the original timeline but this would still flesh out the Mario roster. And by introducing her earlier this also allows her to deviate from Peach sooner rather than later. Would be cut in Brawl but return in Smash 4.
• Replace with Donkey Kong Jr. Much like Young Link is a smaller and faster take on Link. DK JR is a smaller and faster take on Donkey Kong.

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• Replace with Medusa as a clone of Palutena. I don't think I should have to explain this one. One is a pallete swap that became a character the other is a primary antagonist of the same series.

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• Since was a replacement for Dr Mario. Her spot as an echo goes to a new Pikmin character, either an ascended Alph or Brittany. They basically serve as a "Lucina" to Olimar's "Marth" where their Pikmin is less varied but have more unified stats across the board.
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• As stated above this is now Byleth. By the time FP2 was being decided on, Three Houses was a hit. And considering that Corrin and Chrom are NOT characters, the too many FE characters problem doesn't exist anymore. So this would actually be a very hype addition. And hopefully the Devs spent more time actually fleshing out Byleth's weapon master concept.
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These last three we don't know who they are yet... so I'm just going to say who I would want here.

• ??? is Ryu Hayabusa.
• ??? is Rex
• ??? is Master Chief.

Well this was actually really tough. It would've been easy to just replace a character with one that I liked. But this exercise gave me perspective and I have a little more empathy for the folks that make this game.

 

[StrangeKitten]

I would want to fullfill the big fan requests. Isaac, Geno, Crash, Waluigi, Sora, etc. Could probably get 30 characters off of that alone. No Goku or anything, though. Keep it to video game characters with Sora being the only one to maybe get a slight rule-bend if Disney demanded spirits of Mickey and Goofy or whatever.

Then I'd go back and add previously-considered characters. Excitebiker, Balloon Fighter, etc. James Bond is excluded from this, of course.

Then probably fleshing out existing series where possible. Toad, Goomba, Paper Mario, hell maybe even Koopa Troopa and Bullet Bill. King Boo. Kamek & Baby Bowser, Poochy, Birdo. Lanky, Tiny, and Chunky (Dixie and Cranky count as fan requests imo). Krusha, Klaptrap. Scizor, Grovyle, Chandelure, Toxtricity. Amy, Silver, Blaze, Omega (the other prominent Sonic characters have decent fan request). I think you kinda get the idea here (and if any characters listed here have more fan requests than I thought, good for them. They're added anyway)

 

[Oracle Link]

I would want to fullfill the big fan requests. Isaac, Geno, Crash, Waluigi, Sora, etc. Could probably get 30 characters off of that alone. No Goku or anything, though. Keep it to video game characters with Sora being the only one to maybe get a slight rule-bend if Disney demanded spirits of Mickey and Goofy or whatever.

Then I'd go back and add previously-considered characters. Excitebiker, Balloon Fighter, etc. James Bond is excluded from this, of course.

Then probably fleshing out existing series where possible. Toad, Goomba, Paper Mario, hell maybe even Koopa Troopa and Bullet Bill. King Boo. Kamek & Baby Bowser, Poochy, Birdo. Lanky, Tiny, and Chunky (Dixie and Cranky count as fan requests imo). Krusha, Klaptrap. Scizor, Grovyle, Chandelure, Toxtricity. Amy, Silver, Blaze, Omega (the other prominent Sonic characters have decent fan request). I think you kinda get the idea here (and if any characters listed here have more fan requests than I thought, good for them. They're added anyway)

"Fleshing out series" but you said nothing about the 2 most Underepped Franchises in smash Zelda and Kirby

 

[Galgatha]

I actually don't have alot of complaints about the current roster for Smash. Also, I am not sure if this has been brought up by anybody yet, but I would simply include 5 additional fighters that are not in the game.

1) Twintelle (From ARMS, I like how she looks)
2) Amaterasu (From OKAMI, cmon and bring the wolf into the fray!)
3) Ray-Man (Because reasons)
4) Crash Bandicoot (Also because reasons)
5) Bandana Waddle Dee (Cmon already~~!!)

That's all.

 

[Otoad64]

honestly just remaking ultimate would be kind of limiting as there are only 6 unique slots open

but here's what I would do:

swap for Shadow with Mewtwo's Up B, it's the most I can do with these limits

swap for Mimikyu

swap for with Rock Pikmin instead of Purple Pikmin and his ship instead of Olimar's

push back to DLC with as an alt that has different animations, put Bandana Dee in base game

add Toad/Toadette instead of

add Doomslayer or Scorpion instead of

and I would make the final 3 characters Geno and Isaac for a fanservice extravaganza

 

[Oracle Link]

honestly just remaking ultimate would be kind of limiting as there are only 6 unique slots open

but here's what I would do:

swap for Shadow with Mewtwo's Up B, it's the most I can do with these limits

swap for Mimikyu

swap for with Rock Pikmin instead of Purple Pikmin and his ship instead of Olimar's

push back to DLC with as an alt that has different animations, put Bandana Dee in base game

add Toad/Toadette instead of

add Doomslayer or Scorpion instead of

and I would make the final 3 characters Geno and Isaac for a fanservice extravaganza
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Do you also find a Way of including Impa? thenj it would be perfect!

 

[Otoad64]

updated mine:

and since I can't decide on what to do here's an alternate version

 

[Perkilator]

Time to update this once again!

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• (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
  • Complete 1P Game as any character
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• (Stage fought: Dream Land)
  • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
  • 50 Vs. Matches
• (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
  • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
  • 75 Vs. Matches
• (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
  • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
  • Complete 1P Game as all starters
  • 100 Vs. Matches

Bosses

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Spoiler: Melee

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Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
   • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
   • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
   • 100 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
   • Complete Event Match #37
   • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
   • 200 Vs. Matches
3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
   • Unlock 100 different Trophies
   • 300 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Battlefield)
   • Clear 100-Man Melee
   • 400 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
   • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
   • 500 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: Great Bay)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 600 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
   • Clear Event Match #29
   • Clear Adventure Mode as on Hard+
   • 700 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Final Destination)
   • Play for a total of 15 hours
   • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
   • 800 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as on Hard+ without continuing
   • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as
   • 900 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• 
  
  
• 
  
  
• Giga Bowser

Spoiler: Brawl

Starters

1. 
2. 
3. 
4. /
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 
10. 
11. 
12. 
    
13. 
14. 
15. 
16. 
17. 
18. 
19. 
20. 
21. 
22. 

Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
   • 100 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Onett)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Reflect 10 projectiles
   • 200 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
   • 300 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: )
   • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue wihtout losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
   • Clear 20 Event Matches
   • 400 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Corneria)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear 100-Man Brawl
   • 500 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
   • 600 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 700 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
   • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
   • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
   • 800 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Temple)
   • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 900 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: )
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: )
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
12. (Stage fought: )
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
13. (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
14. (Stage fought: )
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
15. (Stage fought: )
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Entrance to Subspace and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode on Hard+ by reaching the last stage in 9 or less minutes
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Petey Piranha
  • Fought in Midair Stadium and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Rayquaza
  • Fought in the Lake and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Porky
  • Fought in the Ruined Zoo and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Galleom
  • Fought in the Wilds I, the Ruined Hall and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Ridley
  • Fought in the Research Facility II
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Duon
  • Fought on the Battleship Halberd Bridge and in the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Meta Ridley
  • Fought in the Subspace Bomb Factory II and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Giga Bowser
  • Fought in Subspace I
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Tabuu
  • Fought in the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles

Spoiler: Smash 4 (Base)

Starters

1. 
2. 
3. 
4. 
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 
10. 
11. 
12. 
13. 
14. 
15. 
16. 
17. 
18. 
19. 
20. 
21. 
22. 
23. 
24. Snivy
25. 
26. 
27. 
28. 
29. 
    • 
    • 
    • 
30. 
31. 
32. 

Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
   • Reflect 10 projectiles
   • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
   • 10 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
   • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
   • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
   • 20 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
   • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
   • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
   • 30 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
   • Clear 100-Man Smash
   • 40 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
   • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
   • 50 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: )
   • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
   • 60 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ )
   • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
   • 70 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
   • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
   • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
   • 80 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
   • Get 30 combined KO's with 's and 's Final Smashes
   • Outlast to up to 300% damage
   • 90 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
12. (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
13. (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
14. (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
15. (Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
16. (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Crazy Orders
• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Crazy Orders
• Master Core
  • Fought in Classic Mode
• Ridley
  • Stage boss of Pyrosphere
• Yellow Devil
  • Stage boss of Wily Castle
• Metal Face
  • Stage boss of Gaur Plain
• Dark Emperor
  • Stage boss of Find Mii

Spoiler: Smash 4 (DLC)

DLC Pack 1

1. 
2. Ayumi Tachibana
   • Stage: Fourside

DLC Pack 2

1. 
   • Stage: Suzaku Castle
2. 
   • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)

DLC Pack 3

1. 
   • Stage: Midgar
2. 

DLC Pack 4

1. (Azura)
   • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
2. 
   • Stage Umbra Clock Tower

Spoiler: Ultimate (Base)

64

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• 4.
  • 4ε.
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• 10.
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Melee

• 13.
  • 13ε.
• 14.
• 15.
• 16.
• 17.
• 18.
• 19. Ayumi Tachibana
• 20.
• 21.
  
• 22.
• 23.
• 24.
• 25.
• 26.

Brawl

• 27.
• 28.
  • 28ε.
• 29.
• 30.
• 31.
• 32.
  • 32ε.
• 33.
• 34.
• 35.
• 36.
  • 36ε. Shadow
• 37.
• 38.
  • 38ε. (Alph)
• 39.
• 40.
• 41.
• 42.

Smash 4

• 43. Snivy
• 44.
• 45.
• 46.
• 47.
• 48.
• 49.
• 
  • 50.
  • 51.
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• 53.
• 54.
• 55.
• 56.
• 57.
• 58.
• 59.
  • 59ε. (Echo)
• 60.
• 61.
• 62.

Newcomers

• 63.
• 64.
  • 64ε.
• 65. Crash Bandicoot
• 66.
• 67.
• 68.
• 69. Solgaleo
• 70. Ashley

Bosses

• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Light Realm and Final Battle)
• 
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dark Realm and Final Battle)
• Galeem
  • Fought in WoL (Light Realm and Final Battle)
• Dharkon
  • Fought in WoL (Dark Realm and Final Battle)
• Giga Bowser
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Molten Fortress area in Final Battle)
• Galleom
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Base area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Ganon
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Sacred Realm area in Final Battle)
• Marx
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Mysterious Dimension area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Ho-Oh
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Bell Tower area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Grima
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dragon's Table area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Rathalos
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Forest Hill area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Dracula
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dracula's Castle area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)

Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 1

• 71.
  • Stage: Mementos
• 72.
  • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
• 73.
  • Stage: Spiral Mountain
• 74-75. /Mythra
  • Stage: Cloud Sea of Alrest
• 76.
  • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium

Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 2

• 77.
  • Stage: Ramen Bowl
• 78. Arthur (Ghosts n' Goblins)
  • Stage: Demon Village
• 79.
  • Stage: Northern Cave
• 80. Edelgard
  • Stage: Garreg Mach Monastery
• 81. TBD
• 82. TBD

 

[Janx_uwu]

Roll. Silver. Excitebiker. Specter Knight.

What more do I need to say?
EDIT: Oh wait, I have to replace newcomers I guess. Uh, Roll for Pirhana Plant, Silver for Incineroar, Excitebiker for Hero, and Specter Knight for Pyra/Mythra.

 

[Glubbfubb]

Now this is a weird dream I had where they discovered a beta smash melee, to promote gen 3 they decided to put un Gardevoir of all mons into the roster instead of mewtwo, and instead of game and watch it was the virtual boy

In smash ultimate I would replace incenarours with Tsareena as I belove their are too many starters in the roster

 

[Oracle Link]

Now this is a weird dream I had where they discovered a beta smash melee, to promote gen 3 they decided to put un Gardevoir of all mons into the roster instead of mewtwo, and instead of game and watch it was the virtual boy

In smash ultimate I would replace incenarours with Tsareena as I belove their are too many starters in the roster

I see where your Prefrences Lie!

 

[Glubbfubb]

I see where your Prefrences Lie!

Gardevoir is my favorite phycic type, it was last pokemon remaining during the final champion fight in X and her mega evolutions shiny is my favorite shiny (cant go wrong with black and blue), I like Tsareena mainly she is cool looking and I think she got robbed of an obvious fighting type (mega venusaur is my favorite grass type an porygon is my favorite pokemon overall) and Tsareena seems to be a better choice in my opnion

Plus Gadevoir got it bad in smash with having one of the most useless abilities in the game with Reflect

 

[Perkilator]

Time to update this once again!

Spoiler: 64

Starters

• 
• 
• 
• 
• 
• 
• 
• 

Unlockables

• (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
  • Complete 1P Game as any character
  • Complete Board the Platforms with
  • 25 Vs. Matches
• (Stage fought: Dream Land)
  • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
  • 50 Vs. Matches
• (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
  • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
  • 75 Vs. Matches
• (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
  • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
  • Complete 1P Game as all starters
  • 100 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• Metal Mario (miniboss)
• Giant DK (miniboss)
• View attachment 311940

Spoiler: Melee

Starters

1. 
2. 
3. 
4. 
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 
10. 
11. 
12. 
13. 
14. /
15. (Scizor)

Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
   • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
   • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
   • 100 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
   • Complete Event Match #37
   • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
   • 200 Vs. Matches
3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
   • Unlock 100 different Trophies
   • 300 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Battlefield)
   • Clear 100-Man Melee
   • 400 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
   • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
   • 500 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: Great Bay)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 600 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
   • Clear Event Match #29
   • Clear Adventure Mode as on Hard+
   • 700 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Final Destination)
   • Play for a total of 15 hours
   • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
   • 800 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
   • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as on Hard+ without continuing
   • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as
   • 900 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• View attachment 311940
• View attachment 311939
• Giga Bowser

Spoiler: Brawl

Starters

1. 
2. 
3. 
4. /
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 
10. 
11. 
12. 
    
13. 
14. 
15. 
16. 
17. 
18. 
19. 
20. 
21. 
22. 

Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
   • 100 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Onett)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Reflect 10 projectiles
   • 200 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
   • 300 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: )
   • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue wihtout losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
   • Clear 20 Event Matches
   • 400 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Corneria)
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear 100-Man Brawl
   • 500 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
   • 600 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: )
   • Recruit in SSE
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 700 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
   • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
   • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
   • 800 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Temple)
   • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
   • Clear Classic Mode as on Hard+
   • 900 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: )
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: )
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
12. (Stage fought: )
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
13. (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
14. (Stage fought: )
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
15. (Stage fought: )
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• View attachment 311940
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Entrance to Subspace and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• View attachment 311939
  • Fought in Classic Mode on Hard+ by reaching the last stage in 9 or less minutes
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Petey Piranha
  • Fought in Midair Stadium and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Rayquaza
  • Fought in the Lake and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Porky
  • Fought in the Ruined Zoo and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Galleom
  • Fought in the Wilds I, the Ruined Hall and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Ridley
  • Fought in the Research Facility II
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Duon
  • Fought on the Battleship Halberd Bridge and in the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Meta Ridley
  • Fought in the Subspace Bomb Factory II and the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Giga Bowser
  • Fought in Subspace I
  • Fought in Boss Battles
• Tabuu
  • Fought in the Great Maze
  • Fought in Boss Battles

Spoiler: Smash 4 (Base)

Starters

1. 
2. 
3. 
4. 
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 
10. 
11. 
12. 
13. 
14. 
15. 
16. 
17. 
18. 
19. 
20. 
21. 
22. 
23. 
24. Snivy
25. 
26. 
27. 
28. 
29. 
    • 
    • 
    • 
30. 
31. 
32. 

Unlockables

1. (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
   • Reflect 10 projectiles
   • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
   • 10 Vs. Matches
2. (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
   • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
   • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
   • 20 Vs. Matches
3. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
   • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
   • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
   • 30 Vs. Matches
4. (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
   • Clear 100-Man Smash
   • 40 Vs. Matches
5. (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
   • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
   • 50 Vs. Matches
6. (Stage fought: )
   • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
   • 60 Vs. Matches
7. (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ )
   • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
   • 70 Vs. Matches
8. (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
   • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
   • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
   • 80 Vs. Matches
9. (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
   • Get 30 combined KO's with 's and 's Final Smashes
   • Outlast to up to 300% damage
   • 90 Vs. Matches
10. (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
11. (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
12. (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as and on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
13. (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
14. (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
15. (Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
16. (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches

Bosses

• View attachment 311940
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Crazy Orders
• View attachment 311939
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in Crazy Orders
• Master Core
  • Fought in Classic Mode
• Ridley
  • Stage boss of Pyrosphere
• Yellow Devil
  • Stage boss of Wily Castle
• Metal Face
  • Stage boss of Gaur Plain
• Dark Emperor
  • Stage boss of Find Mii

Spoiler: Smash 4 (DLC)

DLC Pack 1

1. 
2. Ayumi Tachibana
   • Stage: Fourside

DLC Pack 2

1. 
   • Stage: Suzaku Castle
2. 
   • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)

DLC Pack 3

1. 
   • Stage: Midgar
2. 

DLC Pack 4

1. (Azura)
   • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
2. 
   • Stage Umbra Clock Tower

Spoiler: Ultimate (Base)

64

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Melee

• 13.
  • 13ε.
• 14.
• 15.
• 16.
• 17.
• 18.
• 19. Ayumi Tachibana
• 20.
• 21.
  
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Brawl

• 27.
• 28.
  • 28ε.
• 29.
• 30.
• 31.
• 32.
  • 32ε.
• 33.
• 34.
• 35.
• 36.
  • 36ε. Shadow
• 37.
• 38.
  • 38ε. (Alph)
• 39.
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• 41.
• 42.

Smash 4

• 43. Snivy
• 44.
• 45.
• 46.
• 47.
• 48.
• 49.
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  • 50.
  • 51.
  • 52.
• 53.
• 54.
• 55.
• 56.
• 57.
• 58.
• 59.
  • 59ε. (Echo)
• 60.
• 61.
• 62.

Newcomers

• 63.
• 64.
  • 64ε.
• 65. Crash Bandicoot
• 66.
• 67.
• 68.
• 69. Solgaleo
• 70. Ashley

Bosses

• View attachment 311940
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Light Realm and Final Battle)
• View attachment 311939
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dark Realm and Final Battle)
• Galeem
  • Fought in WoL (Light Realm and Final Battle)
• Dharkon
  • Fought in WoL (Dark Realm and Final Battle)
• Giga Bowser
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Molten Fortress area in Final Battle)
• Galleom
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Base area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Ganon
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Sacred Realm area in Final Battle)
• Marx
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Mysterious Dimension area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Ho-Oh
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Bell Tower area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Grima
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dragon's Table area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Rathalos
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Forest Hill area in Light Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)
• Dracula
  • Fought in Classic Mode
  • Fought in WoL (Dracula's Castle area in Dark Realm and boss rush in Final Battle)

Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 1

• 71.
  • Stage: Mementos
• 72.
  • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
• 73.
  • Stage: Spiral Mountain
• 74-75. /Mythra
  • Stage: Cloud Sea of Alrest
• 76.
  • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium

Spoiler: Fighters Pass Vol. 2

• 77.
  • Stage: Ramen Bowl
• 78. Arthur(Ghosts n' Goblins)
  • Stage: Demon Village
• 79.
  • Stage: Northern Cave
• 80. Edelgard
  • Stage: Garreg Mach Monastery
• 81. TBD
• 82. TBD

Alright, time for bosses in Ultimate;

Spoiler: Ultimate Bosses

	Master Hand (Super Smash Bros.) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Spoiler: Solo below 7.0 Donkey Kong Meowth Ayumi Zero Suit Samus Villager Little Mac Bowser Jr. Ryu Cloud Isabelle Joker Terry Spoiler: Always with Crazy Hand Ice Climbers Toon Link Crash Pyra/Mythra
	Crazy Hand (Super Smash Bros. Melee) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Dark Samus Shadow Ken Richter Min Min
	Galeem (WoL only)
	Dharkon (WoL only)
	Giga Bowser (Super Smash Bros. Melee) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Mario Captain Falcon Peach Daisy Ganondorf Olimar Snivy Wii Fit Trainer
	Galleom (Super Smash Bros. Brawl) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Sheik Dark Pit Snake Sonic R.O.B. Wolf Mega Man Shulk
	Ganon, The Demon King (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Link Zelda Young Link Roy King Dedede Mii Fighters Banjo-Kazooie
	Marx (Kirby Super Star) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Kirby Fox Ness Meta Knight Alph Rosalina & Luma Inkling Ridley Ashley Sephiroth
	Ho-Oh (Pokémon Gold / Pokémon Silver) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Pikachu Scizor Falco Charizard Greninja Bayonetta King K. Rool
	Grima (Fire Emblem: Awakening) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Marth Mewtwo Chrom Diddy Kong Lucario Palutena Robin Azura Hero Edelgard
	Rathalos (Monster Hunter) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Samus Yoshi Bowser Duck Hunt
	Dracula (Castlevania) Spoiler: Classic Mode Battles Luigi Mr. Game & Watch Pit Wario Ike Lucas PAC-MAN Simon Solgaleo Arthur

 

[TheThingamajigRayman]

My ULTIMATE picks.
Keep:, , , , , , , , .
Add: Decidueye, Crash, Isaac (Golden Sun), Geno, Rayman, Spyro, Paper Mario, Master Chief.

 

[Glubbfubb]

I just want Zero in smash

 

[Geno Boost]

Remove
Add Geno, Grovyle (PMD), Isaac, Bomberman, Doomguy, Sukapon (Skapokon as alt), Captain Syrup, Ms. Pac-man (echo)
Final 2 DLC Crash and Rayman
Gets alt (Leon, Juste, Trevor)
Gets alt (Julius)
Gets more alt (Brittany, Louie)
Gets more alt (DQ 1 - 2 - 6 - 10 protagonists)
Gets alt the transparent/true look
Gets more alt for the female cosplay pikachu (Rock Star, Pop Star, Ph.D.)
Gets more alt (Piglin, Drowned, Weither skeleton, Illager)
Also bring back custom moves

 

[StrangeKitten]

"Fleshing out series" but you said nothing about the 2 most Underepped Franchises in smash Zelda and Kirby

I know this is late, but I didn't intend the last part of my post to be comprehensive. "I think you get the idea here" was meant to imply that I'd fill out other series similarly, as we'd be here all day if I listed who I'd add from all series.

Since this is a new, shorter post, though, I'd change Young Link to have Mask as his down special. He loses bombs, but gains access to Deku, Goron, and Zora forms, which are basically three new characters. I'd add Skull Kid & Majora's Mask, Midna & Wolf Link, Impa, Beast Ganon, and Girahim as characters (an & between two character names means they are connected as one character ala Banjo & Kazooie).

For Kirby, I'd add Bandana Waddle Dee, Magolor, and Adeleine & Ribbon. I'm not too familiar with the Kirby series, so feel free to make suggestions if I forgot someone important!

 

[Ben Holt]

Copied from my Discord conversation with SnakeFighter64 :

For context, my picks for the Finals Two were Crash and Master Chief.

A few more picks would be Blue (Blastoise, Charmeleon, Bulbasaur), Mario Kart Racer (the WTF pick with alternate costumes for various Mario Kart characters), Alph separate from Olimar, Hero split into four unique characters, Slime, Gooey (Kirby Echo), Linkle (Link Echo), Q*bert, Wart, Birdo, Blaziken, Dragonite (Charizard Echo), Raichu (Pikachu Echo with a longer tail with a tipper and sour spot mechanic), Minions (Goomba, Koopa Troopa, and Hammer Bro), Enderdragon, Monster Hunter, Dante, Vergil, Leon, Jill, Wesker, Nights, Ristar, AiAi, MiMi, Alex Kidd, Kazuma, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, Max Brass, Dr. Coyle, Octoling, DJ Octavio, Callie, Marie, Pearl, Marina, Baby Metroid, Kamek, Bill, Lance, Kunio, Sol Badguy, Gruntilda, Mumbo, Tootie, and I should probably stop there.
Edit: Totally forgot Isaac and Takamaru.
Edit 2: And Rex, Elma, Cross, Dunban and Fiora.
Also would add Spyro's buddies Hunter, Ripto, and Agent 9.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Copied from my Discord conversation with SnakeFighter64 :

For context, my picks for the Finals Two were Crash and Master Chief.
View attachment 312000
A few more picks would be Blue (Blastoise, Charmeleon, Bulbasaur), Mario Kart Racer (the WTF pick with alternate costumes for various Mario Kart characters), Alph separate from Olimar, Hero split into four unique characters, Slime, Gooey (Kirby Echo), Linkle (Link Echo), Q*bert, Wart, Birdo, Blaziken, Dragonite (Charizard Echo), Raichu (Pikachu Echo with a longer tail with a tipper and sour spot mechanic), Minions (Goomba, Koopa Troopa, and Hammer Bro), Enderdragon, Monster Hunter, Dante, Vergil, Leon, Jill, Wesker, Nights, Ristar, AiAi, MiMi, Alex Kidd, Kazuma, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, Max Brass, Dr. Coyle, Octoling, DJ Octavio, Callie, Marie, Pearl, Marina, Baby Metroid, Kamek, Bill, Lance, Kunio, Sol Badguy, Gruntilda, Mumbo, Tootie, and I should probably stop there.
Edit: Totally forgot Isaac and Takamaru.
Edit 2: And Rex, Elma, Cross, Dunban and Fiora.
Also would add Spyro's buddies Hunter, Ripto, and Agent 9.

I see we're both in the same boat of wanting a lot of characters! Bit of a shame we'll probably only get two more for Ultimate, but alas, adding characters to Smash is far easier said than done

 

[Geno Boost]

Copied from my Discord conversation with SnakeFighter64 :

For context, my picks for the Finals Two were Crash and Master Chief.
View attachment 312000
A few more picks would be Blue (Blastoise, Charmeleon, Bulbasaur), Mario Kart Racer (the WTF pick with alternate costumes for various Mario Kart characters), Alph separate from Olimar, Hero split into four unique characters, Slime, Gooey (Kirby Echo), Linkle (Link Echo), Q*bert, Wart, Birdo, Blaziken, Dragonite (Charizard Echo), Raichu (Pikachu Echo with a longer tail with a tipper and sour spot mechanic), Minions (Goomba, Koopa Troopa, and Hammer Bro), Enderdragon, Monster Hunter, Dante, Vergil, Leon, Jill, Wesker, Nights, Ristar, AiAi, MiMi, Alex Kidd, Kazuma, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, Max Brass, Dr. Coyle, Octoling, DJ Octavio, Callie, Marie, Pearl, Marina, Baby Metroid, Kamek, Bill, Lance, Kunio, Sol Badguy, Gruntilda, Mumbo, Tootie, and I should probably stop there.
Edit: Totally forgot Isaac and Takamaru.
Edit 2: And Rex, Elma, Cross, Dunban and Fiora.
Also would add Spyro's buddies Hunter, Ripto, and Agent 9.

Dragonite doesn’t match the body type of Charizard such as shorter hands and wings and neck it’s difficult to see how that would work as an echo I think Mega Charizard X would be more fitting for a Charizard echo

 

[Ben Holt]

Dragonite doesn’t match the body type of Charizard such as shorter hands and wings and neck it’s difficult to see how that would work as an echo I think Mega Charizard X would be more fitting for a Charizard echo

Dragonite's just my favorite Pokémon. Lol.
That's the only way I see him getting in.
Echo fighters don't have to have the exact same animations, just hitboxes. See Dark Samus.

 

[Oracle Link]

For Kirby, I'd add Bandana Waddle Dee, Magolor, and Adeleine & Ribbon. I'm not too familiar with the Kirby series, so feel free to make suggestions if I forgot someone important!

Ill gladly do so i tell you somethin g about some candidates:

Bandana Waddle dee 4th Main Character one of the 2 Best choices for a Rep

Dark Matter The other Choice

Spoiler: Why Dark Matter Spoiler

is a near pure Evil being Final Boss in one Kirby Game and A Major Villain in 3 other Games also has many Minor Apearences and a lot of Other Kirby Villains/ charas are based on him!

Swordsman Form

True form

Magolor basicly

Spoiler: Kirby Super Star/ RTDL

Marx but better and more used!

Adeline and ribbon: Only seems likely as Assist Trophy is also (probably) hated by Sakurai!

Gooey makes sense as a Kirby Echo (because he was Player 2 in Dreamland 3)

Galacta Knight a secret Final Boss that apeared in most new Kirby Games

Spoiler: Dark Matter Explained Spoiler

Zero created Dark Matter while most of them are Mooks there are four specific ones:
Rimoru, Rimera, Rimoro and of course the most Iconic one The final Boss of JKirbys Dreamland 2
Gooey is a nice Dark matter

 

[Lioncache]

i would have added literally any character other than megging man

 

[Yashichi]

i would have added literally any character other than megging man

mega buster more like mega bummer. come on sakurai

 

[TheThingamajigRayman]

i would have added literally any character other than megging man

megging man su suck sux