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Smash Ace
it shouldn't work
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Who needs help with Combos, Damages, Advanced Tactics for Falco, etc.
- Thread starter DaShizWiz
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Artistry
Smash Apprentice
I was wondering, is there a trick to shine>turnaround>wavedash to ledge?
MasterGary
Smash Ace
No, it exactly what you just said.
Kashakunaki
Smash Master
Well, I think a better counter to being pillared is sidestep > shine anyways.
Thanks, guys. I guess I'll try to learn to double shine with control stick... how many of my hours will I waste attempting to do so, I wonder?
Thanks, guys. I guess I'll try to learn to double shine with control stick... how many of my hours will I waste attempting to do so, I wonder?
Jem.
Smash Master
I would say that you should practice on FD in practice mode running at the side of the stage, short hop laser turn around onto the edge. If you can do that, you should be able to shine turnaround wavedash to the ledge.
And Kash, it's actually quite easy I find it with joy stick. Cause I wavedash/waveshine/jump, everything, using joy stick.
M07
Smash Rookie
could u tell me what u think the best overall moves are for falco
SCOTU
Smash Hero
shine, dair, laser. oh, and about every other move he has (except fair and maybe throws). but the shine, dair, and laser make him near broken.
Kashakunaki
Smash Master
Hmm. If you say so, Jem. I will now begin the life wasting process.
*sigh* I should not be so anal and learn to do it with B and Y, but X is my hero for jumping.
*sigh* I should not be so anal and learn to do it with B and Y, but X is my hero for jumping.
MasterGary
Smash Ace
Do it with whatever u feel like doing it with.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
i'm actually really bad at this technique, but don't really see a point in doing it. also, just do it w/ whatever button combonation you want to. I end up using every button on the controller, and both sticks in all directions, and the d-pad up, down. (use d-left/right while playing samus sometimes, but when i'm doing that it's just to be fun w/ swds.)
teeman92
Smash Lord
well, i need L-canceling,too hard to pull off
oh and rate my combos
1)*if being punched on* crouch cancel-tail slash-upsmash-Uair
2)tail slash-left/right smash
well,i dont really have good combos....
oh and rate my combos
1)*if being punched on* crouch cancel-tail slash-upsmash-Uair
2)tail slash-left/right smash
well,i dont really have good combos....
SCOTU
Smash Hero
the first is a solid fox combo for sure. the second one's not bad... if they don't DI. try tail slash> up-down.
Zelda_Fan_
Smash Journeyman
I have a question. I seem to SHFFL dair a bit too much. Is this bad? I recently tried using Falco and for most of my kills I SHFFL a dair, they pop up a bit and I SHFFL another dair, and if they are by the ledge they usually slip past it and get spiked. I use this a lot on approaches to. I find it effective but I was just wondering if pros would just find me too predictive and own me somehow, lol.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
it's not inherently bad to use them a lot, just don't use them predictably (which is hard to do if that's the only thing you do, but possible).
the CRAB
Smash Cadet
agreed. and mix up what you do after the SHFFL'd dair. follow with a shine once in a while. and lead your approaches with some spammed SHL's to make it a bit safer.
CanISmash
Smash Lord
i have problems with my shine.. whenever i shine im like stuck.... any particular tips on it... like if i try to wave dash i occasionally full jump.... ( and i can wave dash perfectly with no problems) but after a shine its like wtf... any tips on jc shines other than just jump faster im guessing?
ooh and tips on ehdl or w/e. im finally getting the hang of it but my first laser is way to high and thats the most important one...
ooh and tips on ehdl or w/e. im finally getting the hang of it but my first laser is way to high and thats the most important one...
Enzyme
Smash Apprentice
What button are you using to jc with? It doesn't matter a lot, but I know I'm significantly faster going from b to y rather than x.
Secks.
Smash Ace
Hey Dashizwiz if your still out there lol. Have you come up with anything new with your Falco? I know your really innovative with Falco as well. Just curious if you have been working on some new technique or combo. I know this threads been kinda dead for a while now but it used to be awesome, like two months ago. Keep asking questions guys. t.t
I use down b then up on the control stick to cancel shines and multishining.
This is a common problem and it's not neccessarily easy to remedy without just sitting down and working it out.
Here's why it happens.
When you're working shine combos, you're fingers are in turbo mode. You want to JC that shine as fast as humanly possible so that you can get to the next part of your combo.
Falco's wavedash, though, doesn't take kindy to rapid button inputs... His jump animation is a little bit slower than is normal, and there's a short lag between his jump startup and the time that he can air dodge.
If you try to input the JC, Wavedash at the same speed as the rest of your combo, you're going to full jump and the air dodge retardedly.
You have to make a conscious effort to input the wavedash correctly. If you already know how to WD, then you know that with Falco, there's a distinct rhythm to the input. So you need to be able to combo rapidly, and then fall back into that rhythmic wavedash after every shine.
It's one of the more difficult aspects of Falco at first, but like anything, comes easily with just a little bit of practice.
lol its not what ur thinking. i know the rhythm, its just that everytime i jc the shine. falco short hops out of it and just lands on the ground, no matter how fast or accurate i am on the wd. it's just weird. i get down all of the combo's and stuff with marth easily its just that this one doesnt seem to work on my version of the game. i have version 1.2, but i have no clue if that has anything to do with it.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Yeah, MrBitter's probably right, That's what ends a lot of my fox combos, but i've been getting it better. Don't really have that problem w/ falco, since i don't move my fingers in turbo mode, cause he's a lot slower... but turbo mode on you're fingers can ruin combos. and is a very common side effect of shining.
EDIT: Great job Shiz @ pound btw. i hope someone got vids from the tourney and they'll be up soon.
EDIT: Great job Shiz @ pound btw. i hope someone got vids from the tourney and they'll be up soon.
Kashakunaki
Smash Master
Freaking hot signature, scotu. Haha.
Anyways, question. I notice that most of the time, if not all the time, the more advanced Falco players double jump really quickly after a shine rather than a full jump. I know this is better, and I can kind of answer this question myself but I want to hear what you have to say, but why? Also, how should I do it? Double tap X real quick or hit up on the control stick and then X in rapid succession? What would you recommend?
Anyways, question. I notice that most of the time, if not all the time, the more advanced Falco players double jump really quickly after a shine rather than a full jump. I know this is better, and I can kind of answer this question myself but I want to hear what you have to say, but why? Also, how should I do it? Double tap X real quick or hit up on the control stick and then X in rapid succession? What would you recommend?
How you jump is really about what your comfortable with... I use both depending on the situation, but X is the one I use more frequently.
As for the why... That's a little bit more difficult to explain. Approaching with a quick double jump isn't neccessarily better than approaching with a SH or a full jump, it's just another situational approach to add to your game. The true logic behind it really falls back to spacing and mind games. It's also not uncommon to jump into your opponent, recognize you have a bad angle, adjust by using your second jump, and then continue your attack...
That's my explanation at least... Good question. Maybe some other guys have additional input.
As for the why... That's a little bit more difficult to explain. Approaching with a quick double jump isn't neccessarily better than approaching with a SH or a full jump, it's just another situational approach to add to your game. The true logic behind it really falls back to spacing and mind games. It's also not uncommon to jump into your opponent, recognize you have a bad angle, adjust by using your second jump, and then continue your attack...
That's my explanation at least... Good question. Maybe some other guys have additional input.
Fast fingers ftw... Shiz is like... superhuman when it comes to double shines. If you're a lesser player than he (like... everyone) you can try jump cancelling your shines with the control stick. It's a little easier, IMO, to do quickly than to use your thumb to go back and forth from B to X/Y.
Miharu
Smash Hero
You can fastfall faster out of your doublejump as compared to a single fulljump. Therefore, makes you more manuverable, and also makes wavelanding easier.
For example, you can't shine -> fulljump -> dair -> utilt most of the time. Instead, you have to doublejump to ensure that you hit the ground before them so you can utilt.
DaShizWiz
Smash Champion
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I've been working on some new stuff. That has to do with Lasers, and combos etc. You'll see some of my new vids from Pound. You'll see me vs Tink, and me vs Drephen. I do play kind of different now.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Shiz is definitely Tech skill top tier, but it isn't ridiculously difficult to do 3-4 jc shines... plus they're not all *that* useful. They can be put to good use, but there's often better stuff. I still prefer the multishine though.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
*knows he's not shiz, but wants to help anyways (and has multishining skillz)*
move finger from y/x >b. once you press y/x, exactly 5 frames later, (or 1/12 sec) press b.
move finger from y/x >b. once you press y/x, exactly 5 frames later, (or 1/12 sec) press b.
1/12 of a second huh....that's pretty f-in fast...also explain to me what multishining is or show me a video of someone doing it.
also how do you do a shine to an edgehog without doing forward b...i've done it a couple of times but i've never have been able to incorporate it.
also how do you do a shine to an edgehog without doing forward b...i've done it a couple of times but i've never have been able to incorporate it.
Miharu
Smash Hero
Shiz does shine to waveland on platform, look at his newer vids 
It's nice for chasing on platforms.
It's nice for chasing on platforms.
