When did you realise you didn't like Brawl?

[Professor Pro]

Don't worry, Brawl was screwed over right from the point the community decided to compete in it. MK won't be banned, since he isn't actually IMPOSSIBLE to beat (60-40 matchups all across the tier list is NOT enough to ban a character) and if they do ban MK it'll be easy to use Sirlin against the community and make them a laughing stock anyhow. If MK doesn't get banned, the game will become so boring and stall-based (see Parker's linked vid above) that everyone'll realize what a ****ty game Brawl is and come back to Melee.

Problem solved, thanks to Metaknight.

looool Yeah the problem will be solved by metaknight. People are already coming back to melee at a rapid rate due to people getting bored of it so melee is defintely going up hill. It was funny how people were saying melee is only gonna do downhill and it is slowly going up lol.

 

[Proud_Smash_N00b]

When I realized how scrubby the community is.

Im surprised no one considered that about Snake
Isn't he as cheap as MK

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

So, when did you all join the competitive Melee community? Judging by many of the join dates, it was within the last couple years. It still boggles my mind that people judge Brawl so harshly when it has been out for 7 months while Melee has been out for almost 7 years. You guys entered into Melee when it was a rather mature community. The meta game had fully evolved, and there was an abundance of resources online for figuring out how to play well.

 

[Zephyr]

At the moment, Melee is far more fun to me than Brawl is, especially in a competitive light. However, I'm willing to give Brawl a chance for its metagame to fully develop before I make any huge decisions about whether to drop it or keep playing. For the moment though, I'm actively playing Metaknight in hopes that people will get sick of it and go back to Melee OR that people will find ways around MK's playing style and balance the game.

 

[Schwartz_Bruder]

So, when did you all join the competitive Melee community? Judging by many of the join dates, it was within the last couple years. It still boggles my mind that people judge Brawl so harshly when it has been out for 7 months while Melee has been out for almost 7 years. You guys entered into Melee when it was a rather mature community. The meta game had fully evolved, and there was an abundance of resources online for figuring out how to play well.

I fail to see how the Brawl metagame will advance any further. The last big discovery was the IDC glitch with MK and that was a few months ago.

 

[Fletch]

So, when did you all join the competitive Melee community? Judging by many of the join dates, it was within the last couple years. It still boggles my mind that people judge Brawl so harshly when it has been out for 7 months while Melee has been out for almost 7 years. You guys entered into Melee when it was a rather mature community. The meta game had fully evolved, and there was an abundance of resources online for figuring out how to play well.

How far has Brawl's metagame advanced in that time compared at the rapid rate of Melee's progress? There's just not enough depth to Brawl to compare it to Melee's advancements.

 

[Professor Pro]

So, when did you all join the competitive Melee community? Judging by many of the join dates, it was within the last couple years. It still boggles my mind that people judge Brawl so harshly when it has been out for 7 months while Melee has been out for almost 7 years. You guys entered into Melee when it was a rather mature community. The meta game had fully evolved, and there was an abundance of resources online for figuring out how to play well.

Maybe the metagame will advance more. But at the moment with how it is right now alot of people find the game boring due to the slowness of it and the lack of combos. So for alot of people if that isnt taking out of the game they will stull feel the same way about the game whether or not the metagame improves.
And you say how can we judge brawl so harshly but we have the right to judge it harshly, we don't have to wait a year or so before we can start inputting our strong opinions about the game. 7 months is a long enough period for people to start getting a very good picture of the game. I think the game has been mostly figured out due to how big the scene has grown from melee and nothing major will come into the game which will change the metagame massively, only character specific things.

 

[HT F8]

So, when did you all join the competitive Melee community? Judging by many of the join dates, it was within the last couple years. It still boggles my mind that people judge Brawl so harshly when it has been out for 7 months while Melee has been out for almost 7 years. You guys entered into Melee when it was a rather mature community. The meta game had fully evolved, and there was an abundance of resources online for figuring out how to play well.

I'm hoping this is just a joke.
That's the same blanket statement every Brawln00b uses.

L-canceling was discovered basically before the game even came out, because of Z-canceling in SSB64.
Pretty much the basic "AT" of every character in the game.

Has there been anything remotely close to as good as this in Brawl's 7 months of being ***** and pillaged to find SOMETHING useful?

Hmm. No.

And an abundance of recources online? Not in Melee's first 7months.
Why don't you check out the threads from 2001 and compare them to the Brawl08 threads.
Realllll similar.

People asking "who's ur fav charictur" isn't the same as people like M2K pounding the game to try to get something out of it.

 

[Cinder]

Another thing to consider is the fact that if Brawl does somehow develop a true metagame, it won't be the same as Melee's...and some people would prefer Melee's to Brawl's...

Hey, I may hate Brawl with every fiber of my being, but I'd be content if the two had even competitive scenes...as long as Melee's improves...and it is, so yeah ^___^

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

I feel like quoting my last post saying something like "yhea, i agree, this thread sucks and the melee boards shouldn't have to hear about brawl"

 

[Professor Pro]

lool But yet, you come back to this thread to read what is inside as you will do now.
Tbh if you don't enjoy a thread dont read whats inside.

 

[Shroomed]

he knows he cares lol, that's why he keeps clicking that link

it's fun to make fun of something for justified reasons

 

[Ryan-K]

plus most of the metagame and accomplishments in brawl have been made by melee players

what person in brawl has actually been winning big tournaments consistently?

dsf, m2k, futile, ninjalink, azen, etc all played melee

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I'm hoping this is just a joke.
That's the same blanket statement every Brawln00b uses.

...says the guy who joined July of this year. How many tournaments have you even been to? How far have you traveled? I competed heavily in Melee. I traveled to several states to make my mark. I'm not as oblivious as you make me out to be.

L-canceling was discovered basically before the game even came out, because of Z-canceling in SSB64.
Pretty much the basic "AT" of every character in the game.

Wavedashing? Wave-landing? Moonwalking? Short-hopping (leading to SHFFL; early pros used ONLY full jumping; it looked silly)? Edge-hogging (on purpose)? They all came over time. They were not early 2002 discoveries.

Has there been anything remotely close to as good as this in Brawl's 7 months of being ***** and pillaged to find SOMETHING useful?

Hmm. No.

DACUS. I'd say that was a pretty radical breakthrough that made Snake (among others) much more awesome. Apparently, you've been ignoring Brawl a bit too much.

And an abundance of recources online? Not in Melee's first 7months.
Why don't you check out the threads from 2001 and compare them to the Brawl08 threads.
Realllll similar.

I believe you misread me. I'm saying that because you came into the competitive scene very recently, there is currently a huge compendium of knowledge necessary to become radically competitive in Melee right now. We're not talking about Melee back in 2001.

People asking "who's ur fav charictur" isn't the same as people like M2K pounding the game to try to get something out of it.

Do you honestly expect Brawl to just magically open up simply because everyone is "pounding on the game"? Melee evolved slowly despite thousands of players "pounding on it". Things just take time. Of course people are gonna like Melee more than Brawl right now. Who wants to start from scratch? You can't look at Brawl and automatically "see all of its depth". Compare Melee to Brawl's 7-year meta game and get back to me.

 

[slartibartfast42]

looool Yeah the problem will be solved by metaknight.

Meta-knight is ironically probably the cause of brawl's suckage. I have a theory that the following is how brawl got screwed over:

Sakurai: As maker of the kirby games, I'm giving you exact specifications as to how meta-knight should play.

Developers: *implement* WTF? Meta-knight is so broken. Any noob can pick him up and get zero to death combos off the hit stun of his insanely fast lagless sword moves. You can't even airdodge to escape, because meta can just use his multiple jumps to follow you. And his wavedashing is INSANE!

Sakurai: But meta-knight is perfect as is... I know, just change the game a bit. Tone down the hit-stun, remove L-cancelling, and make multiple air dodges... And take away the directional influence on the air dodges to remove meta's insane wavedashing.

Developers: That would significantly nerf him...

Sakurai: Then we should buff him with a special move that lets him become invulnerable and fly around!

Developers: We can't do that!!! That would be so broken!

Sakurai: Who's the owner of this company anyway?

Developers: *sigh*

Wavedashing? Wave-landing? Moonwalking? Short-hopping (leading to SHFFL; early pros used ONLY full jumping; it looked silly)? Edge-hogging (on purpose)? They all came over time. They were not early 2002 discoveries.

Wavedashing was discovered by the developers before the game was released iirc. Not sure when it was applied to tournaments, but it was before 2003 I'm pretty sure, and with lots less people looking for it.

Wave-landing was pretty obvious as soon as wavedashing was discovered. I actually found wavelanding on my own without the internet. I would jump, then waveland into a smash with marth. I quit doing it though because my friends would see it coming whenever I jumped at a certain distance XD.

Moonwalking isn't really much of a factor on the meta-game.

However, even without this stuff, melee would still be deeper than brawl, with hitstun and shieldstun and many more options open at any given time in general.

The other stuff and much more is already applied in brawl, proving that "pounding the game" actually is effective. Also, I'm pretty sure than even scubs who know nothing of melee's competitive metagame and have only played a few times know of short hopping and edge hogging.

Yes brawl's metagame will improve. No, it will never be as deep as melee's.

 

[HiIH]

When I got it, and got bored an hour in playing with people.

 

[Professor Pro]

I got bored in 30 mins....beat that lol.

 

[Shroomed]

brawl is such a failure, *sigh*

God I hope they make a melee 2.0 in the coming years

 

[Da Shuffla]

I got bored in 30 mins....beat that lol.

I actually liked Brawl the first time I played it. Then I found out about ATs in Melee. Almost asked for a Wii for my b-day. Talk about dodging the bullet.

 

[Professor Pro]

brawl is such a failure, *sigh*

God I hope they make a melee 2.0 in the coming years

I was always hoping that would happen, imagine melee online with no lag. I would actually be playing that ALL day lol.

I actually liked Brawl the first time I played it. Then I found out about ATs in Melee. Almost asked for a Wii for my b-day. Talk about dodging the bullet.

TALKING ABOUT SAVING YOUR LIFE lol. Saved yourself alot of money and alot of your sexiness not buying it as brawl brings down your sex appeal.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Stop bumping this thread. It's annoying.

 

[Cinder]

Stop bumping this thread. It's annoying.

Maybe in your opinion...and btw, posting to complain doesn't help it die any faster...

 

[ynnek123]

I was always hoping that would happen, imagine melee online with no lag. I would actually be playing that ALL day lol.



TALKING ABOUT SAVING YOUR LIFE lol. Saved yourself alot of money and alot of your sexiness not buying it as brawl brings down your sex appeal.

well, actually brawl wasn't that bad for me. first, we now actually have a belgian community of eleven people xD. and without it I wouldn't of bought super mario galaxy, MP3: corruption and TLOZ: twilight princess and I wouldn't be able to go to a melee tournament in my entire life o_O

 

[RednaXale]

I don't think it sucks... but it took about a month for me to get bored of it.

 

[FalconPunch]

took me 2 fights

 

[DTKPch]

About a week.

 

[Shroomed]

you guys lasted hella long, i'm impressed

the opening release tourney, i was like wtf is this ****......

i knew i shoulda just got a refund right then and there

 

[Moosetracks]

I have played a lot of 64, Melee, and Brawl and I like them all a bit equally based on how much fun it is to play them. I will say Brawl does have some unbelievably stupid flaws like tripping. ....why would they even think about doing that!?

 

[Blood_Samus]

lol when first picked samus and used her supper missle and it did crappy damage =(

 

[rhan]

I have played a lot of 64, Melee, and Brawl and I like them all a bit equally based on how much fun it is to play them. I will say Brawl does have some unbelievably stupid flaws like tripping. ....why would they even think about doing that!?

I rather have tripping then multiple air dodges. :/

 

[Supertramp]

WITH NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE TO HOW THE GAMEPLAY WOULD BE, 3 min in, after I tried playing with Fox against brokenknight.

 

[sabu540]

It took me a few months.
It's not like I hate Brawl, it's still fun, but not competitively. I still play it but in a much different way. I try to make funny kills and hilarious moments (like the vid in my sig, shameless advertisement). Camping is boring, and winning doesn't matter as much to me. So I'm a casual Brawl player, which is pretty much what it's designed for.
I still play Melee though. I love Melee. And yes, I like it better than Brawl. I'm going to a tourney this weekend and I'm gonna lose, and it will be awesome.

Story time:
In Brawl, I went to a tourney with a few friends. I was playing the winners final and ended up winning the tourney. I look around after the match, there were maybe a few people watching. I go and track down my friends. "Wanna go home now?" "Ya, I'm bored." "Me too." I was pretty glad I won some money, but didn't have all that much fun.
We still played Brawl the next day. But casually. And we enjoyed it.

In a Melee tourney, it was the last match of a set I was playing. I was up at around 180% on last stock and somehow managed to DI about 3 good hits and barely survive. I could hear the small crowd of people behind me yelling with every one, making it even more exciting. Some of the most fun I've had playing a smash game. I ended up losing, but it was still great.
Was it winner's final? No. I tied for fifth.

Brawl isn't a bad game. It's a bad competitive game. It has a particular appeal to me, Melee has a much different one. I prefer the competitive aspect of Melee to playing casually in Brawl, but I like each one for what it has to offer.
But there's one thing for sure. Treating other people badly for simply LIKING one better than the other, or both, is awful.

Apologies for the wall of text.

 

[Discolicious]

Bought it in September...My roommate got bored the second day we had it and stopped playing with me. I went to practice some AT's or something against computers ...soon realized there were none... then threw in melee followed by guitar hero...oh well my roommate paid for it haha

 

[Binx]

Sabu, you make me want to buy Brawl again to have gaming parties, sure it's not fun, but it certainly can be entertaining, yay for FFAs.

But otherwise I love melee

 

[HydeInTheBox]

I like brawl.

 

[FalcoDude57]

NeBz is stupid

 

[Cinder]

I like brawl.

Then don't post here...

On topic: kudos to those of you who realized that you don't like Brawl off the bat...if only it took less than two months for me to realize it >>; I do remember it being sometime in May...because I was telling a friend I had quit on graduation day, which was June 5th...so yeah...May for sure...

 

[Professor Pro]

I am proud of all of you people who have quit brawl. It does me proud to know I have some of these people in my community who know what a good game is and what isnt. *gets teary eyed*

 

[Eddie G]

I am proud of all of you people who have quit brawl. It does me proud to know I have some of these people in my community who know what a good game is and what isnt. *gets teary eyed*

We're with you all the way, man. I wasted too much time on Brawl. It's nonsense, and I'm going to start back up on Melee. I'm an extremely technically demanding player, and Brawl was just too...linear and empty. Bleh...

 

[-Wolfy-]

I like to check in here now and then.

I still play melee competitively, I traded brawl in to Gamestop in June/July, can't remember which.
If anything, my dislike for Brawl and what it's done to Melee's attendance has driven me to other games like Halo 3, Gears of War 1, and Gears of War 2.

I'm doing less competitively and have been hosting tournaments for many different games now.

I wish Melee would make more of a revival. AT LEAST THERE IS STILL OHANA THIS SUMMER!!!!!