What's up with Justin Bieber

[#HBC | Gorf]

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Justin Bieber. He's a talented musician, he's only sixteen, and has so many hits out. But for some reason, people hate this kid. Is it jealousy? Do they really care about his voice being high? Don't get me wrong, I have things I don't like about him too, but other than those little things, I have nothing wrong with him, and I think he's really good. But my big beef is with two groups of people: Those who are obsessed, and those who hate his guts.

The main groups of people that are OBSESSED with Justin Bieber are little girls. You have these ten or eleven year old girls on his twitter page saying they want to get down with him or do me justin, some form of "have sex with me". Why are these little girls saying this? I mean, yea, it's okay to think he's good looking. But don't go around saying this stuff, especially on the internet. And since you're LITTLE GIRLS! And he's just sixteen.

And you have those groups of people who go to all of Justin Bieber's videos, saying who's this f**? Why is his voice so d*** high? F*** that homo. He has no talent! All of this random stuff. Why waste your time talking s***. It's going to get you nowhere. This guy is straight. Get your facts straight. Okay, so he sings in a high pitch. But I'm fifteen, and my voice is probably a little deeper than his. The highest note I can hit in my head saftely is a mid F. His is probably a bit higher. He either projects the crap out of that high C in baby, or uses his head voice to reach it (and yea, using my head voice, I can reach a high C).

I guess it's not really on me to control people. We're human. We make mistakes. But don't try to say that this kid has no talent. He was discovered on Youtube. They saw his channel, and he made amazing videos. He has a beautiful voice. He plays drums, guitar, piano and trumpet. Now, I'd call that talent.

If you're jealous, I'd understand. I'm jealous too. But I don't go around pretending I hate this guy. He makes great music. If people talk s*** about him in front of me, I'll defend him. The ONLY time I've ever said something bad about him is that on the Kids Bop 18 album, their version of Baby sounds exactly like Bieber.

The point is, he's a good guy. Don't put him down just because it's "the popular thing" to do. State your honest opinion about him. Do people really think he's that much of a loser, non talented f**got?

 

[Clownbot]

He's not too bright from what I've seen.

I've also never met him in person but he seems kind of douchey to me. I don't know, most people do at first glance.

 

[pickle962]

Justin Bieber is a joke.

 

[Smoom77]

THANK YOU! This is how I always think.

His voice is great, and he doesn't look half bad either. I figured that if people heard Baby and they didn't know it wasn't Justin, it would be a GREAT song. People are just so OBSESSED with HATING him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Clown

I don't think it's about being bright. A lot of people handle pressure differently. He's probably not good under it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I hate him because he sounds like a girl, all his songs sound the same, and the only reason he has fans is because they think he's cute.

If you just hate someone, you're jealous.
If you can provide a reason, you really hate them.

 

[global-wolf]

I think Justin Bieber has a nice voice, even if it's kinda girly. My peers *hate* him though. It's very annoying >.>

 

[Clownbot]

@Gordito: Eh, it's possible. I guess everyone's made their fair share of silly mistakes in the past.

If you just hate someone, you're jealous.

Probably. He doesn't look half bad, he is fairly talented, he's got girls all over him.

And he was discovered on YouTube? Pfft. There's plenty of talent uploaded to YouTube daily that doesn't get as much recognition as he does.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

When he talks, his voice is pretty normal.

When you're vocally trained at a young age, your voice tends to stay high.

His songs are upbeat and about love. Yea, I know. A sixteen year old shouldn't sing about love if he doesn't REALLY know it. But songs like One Less Lonley Girl, it's acoustic. It's not electronic. And when you have upbeat songs, they sometimes tend to sound the same.

The same thing can be said about Eminem. All he does on his Recovery album is rap about his life. To me, they all sound the same. But to some other people, they don't. I don't think Bieber's songs sound the same. But I guess that's just an opinion.

And most girls are into the pop songs that play on the radio today. It just happens to be that Justin Bieber's a good looking guy. And fans are fans. Money's money. And at least he's proven to the world he has talent via his youtube page.

 

[wrkngclsshr]

Nothing wrong with him. He just has that kid-sound. What do you expect from a 16-year-old? For the record, he can sing decently, perform, and doesn't he play drums too? That is pretty good, and much better than the "Bieber-haters" out there.

Oh, and I listened to his album. For what it's worth, it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. Also, I forget which, but he actually goes into his lower register in one of his songs. What he's making right now is a step in the right direction. Maybe he'll draw more serious subjects into his songs after experiencing so much attention as a teen.

@Clownbot: Everyone musician seems douchey. Unless your name is Kanye West. Then you probably -are- douchey.

 

[TL?]

People just like to hop onto the hate bandwagon.

 

[GwJ]

He doesn't know what Germany is.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

The same thing can be said about Eminem. All he does on his Recovery album is rap about his life. To me, they all sound the same. But to some other people, they don't. I don't think Bieber's songs sound the same. But I guess that's just an opinion.

GorditoBoy, the biggest problem here isn't people hating Justin Beiber for having as much musical sense as The Jonas Brothers. The biggest problem is that you have somehow become deaf from listening to horrible pop music and need to see a physician immediately.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't like most modern music simply because of how empty of meaning it is. Love songs are written without any real feelings of love or emotion behind them and are produced one after the other to fill up an album. It's a business and it's done solely to make money. The rock/pop stars are then made up to be appealing to mostly 10-16 year old girls. It's all about advertising and triggering shallow emotions like infactuation and obsession. You have people who could have creative potential but squander it on worshipping other people's works and their lives instead of having it inspire them. Fandom can be a very ugly thing because it can make you stop and say "I wish I wasn't me; I want to be *insert person here.*" Why not celebrate your own talents and ideas instead of someone else's?

Another problem with most modern music stars is that, like modern day appliances, they aren't built to last. Justin will not have a long career and I can guarentee that. Give him a year or two and his time as flavor of the week will be done with and people will move onto someone else. That's how it always works. Because of the work of the star is so shallow it's usually forgotten unless the appeal of the person/band was very heavily spread. The star is used to make money and once they're no longer popular, they're tossed aside where they generally fade into obscurity either in silence or kicking and screaming. It's the equivalent of chewing a piece of gum and then spitting it out once it loses its flavor. Short and shallow: the two words that best describe the lives and careers of a vast majority of celebrities.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Fatman

But I really have no reason to hate the kid. He can sing. His songs are catchy. And he has charm. Maybe he is a one hit wonder, but it doesn't matter at this point. At this point, all that matters is he's on top, and some people hate on him just to hear their own voice.

Granted, I don't think he's just a one hit wonder, used to make money. Kesha owns that title (And yes, i still do like her music. It's enjoyable). Kesha just uses autotune. That's her talent. But when you see a star perform a show unplugged, that's where the talent shines. I thought Lady Gaga was just a source of easy money. But turns out, she's extremely talented. She writes most of her music, sings beautifully, and if you heard her acoustic, you'd understand my point.

I get what you mean by empty. My all time favourite artist is Elton John. He writes with meaning, and he says what he feels. Plus, he's what inspires me to play piano. And sometimes, the message is just bland and repeated. But do you want to hear a sad song on pop radio? That's what albums are for. For what they are, the songs on the radio are pretty good.

@Acrostic

Don't question my taste in music. I'm defending Justin. He has talent. But I won't stand here and say that he's one of my favorite artists. I like him, but he's not. It's giving him a break because yes, he is talented, but unfortunately he was born in a time where people want to hear electric pop and dance music, and he won't be promoted for doing true ballads.

 

[M.K]

@Fatman

But I really have no reason to hate the kid. He can sing. His songs are catchy. And he has charm. Maybe he is a one hit wonder, but it doesn't matter at this point. At this point, all that matters is he's on top, and some people hate on him just to hear their own voice.

Granted, I don't think he's just a one hit wonder, used to make money. Kesha owns that title (And yes, i still do like her music. It's enjoyable). Kesha just uses autotune. That's her talent. But when you see a star perform a show unplugged, that's where the talent shines. I thought Lady Gaga was just a source of easy money. But turns out, she's extremely talented. She writes most of her music, sings beautifully, and if you heard her acoustic, you'd understand my point.

I get what you mean by empty. My all time favourite artist is Elton John. He writes with meaning, and he says what he feels. Plus, he's what inspires me to play piano. And sometimes, the message is just bland and repeated. But do you want to hear a sad song on pop radio? That's what albums are for. For what they are, the songs on the radio are pretty good.

Ke$ha outperforms Justin Beiber on many, many levels.
First of all, I respect Ke$ha more because she came from a horrible background and worked her way up. Secondly, she does not ABUSE Auto-tune at all, and actually has a very good singing voice. Don't even get Lady Gaga in on this conversation, because like you said, she's probably one of the most talented artists out there.

Justin Bieber is just a tool for the industry. His songs are absolutely empty in terms of content. I don't find them catchy, I find them annoying because I find his voice annoying. Likewise, he's incredibly, incredibly naive and dense. In a New Zealand interview, he had no idea what Germany was, saying "we don't say that in America". Um, hello? I don't want this kid representing the modern American teen, because we aren't just tools or douchebags. The songs on the radio are nothing more than opportunities to make money.

Look at it this way. If you owned an ice cream store that alot of high schoolers came to, and you had to hire somebody, who would you hire?

A) The 16-year old popular girl who doesn't really know what to do, but can generate alot of customers because of her connections with the teen social class
or
B) The 45-year old mother who knows how to operate everything with efficiency and can service customers at a much faster rate, yet she doesn't generate nearly as many customers because of her disconnection with the teenagers.

Think about it. He's simply a tool, like all the other Disney Stars that get record labels. Tools that are used to make money.

 

[GwJ]

Disney should sell ice cream.

 

[Professor :3]

Autotune m8.

 

[PassWurD]

He used to be good on YouTube. Now that he got Usher with him, all his songs sound like a 13 year old white boy trying to sound and act black. Usher should just sing the songs instead.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

When Kesha sings, all I can hear is the rolling voice that autotune produces. It's not really talent. But I'll admit, she writes good songs. I'd prefer her stay behind the scenes writing songs, adoring her that way, and not talking and autotuning her singing.

I guess I should've used a better artist. Place Brittany Spears where Kesha is seen.

But Bieber isn't just a tool. He has so much potential as a singer/musician. But the industry wants money. So his actual music is affected. Look at the kidrauhl page, his MUSIC. Before he got famous.

 

[Fatmanonice]

@Fatman

But I really have no reason to hate the kid. He can sing. His songs are catchy. And he has charm. Maybe he is a one hit wonder, but it doesn't matter at this point. At this point, all that matters is he's on top, and some people hate on him just to hear their own voice.

Granted, I don't think he's just a one hit wonder, used to make money. Kesha owns that title (And yes, i still do like her music. It's enjoyable). Kesha just uses autotune. That's her talent. But when you see a star perform a show unplugged, that's where the talent shines. I thought Lady Gaga was just a source of easy money. But turns out, she's extremely talented. She writes most of her music, sings beautifully, and if you heard her acoustic, you'd understand my point.

I get what you mean by empty. My all time favourite artist is Elton John. He writes with meaning, and he says what he feels. Plus, he's what inspires me to play piano. And sometimes, the message is just bland and repeated. But do you want to hear a sad song on pop radio? That's what albums are for. For what they are, the songs on the radio are pretty good.

I think most people hate him because they're burned out on things that are marketed to 12-16 year old girls that end up becoming gigantic, "culture-defining" hits. In only the past 5 years, we've dealt with the Jonas Brothers, Hannah Montana, High School Musical, Twilight, etc. For any regular person, that's A LOT to put up with especially when other countries are looking at this and say "this is American culture; this is what Americans like." Like what I just listed, Justin Bieber is, yes, used to make money and probably won't have a long career because he's essentially been "designed" not to have one.

You basically have a teenager who's made to look androgenous to appeal the sexual cravings of teenage girls (and guys too; money's money, afterall, and they really don't care who it comes from). In the gay community, he'd be classified as a twink. A twink is basically a very feminine looking guy who has very little noteworthy about him aside from the fact that he has sex appeal. He can sing but, again, the music is shallow and used to shove off merchandise. Kind of like for this guy:

And him:

And them:

Noticing some patterns?

This really isn't anything new and has been done since the 1950's where each decade defined "attractive men" for themselves. This decade seems to go with the mentality that the more like a chick you look the better which doesn't take a lot of imagination to see why that irks a lot of people (especially men) even those that aren't against homosexuality/gender bending.

Music on the radio is basically candy for the ears and that's how it's packaged and that's how it's sold. Lady Gaga has a lot of talent but it's not really being done for anything besides to make a mountain of cash. This is the pitfall that too many celebrities fall into. They have the resources to do significant things but they usually don't and put their talents into, lo and behold, making more money. It's commericalism at its finest and art at its worst.

In the end, I don't hate him, I hate the idealogies that make him and countless other celebrities.

 

[Skrlx]

wow... zac efron is hot!

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

My theory on Justin Bieber:

Zac Efron is now in his twenties. That imo is too old for all the screaming barely teenage girls to oggle over because he's now well over the age of being an adult. Remember how much of a teen hit he was when High School Musical came out? I certainly noticed a similar scenario with the love-or-hate situation that Efron had when High School Musical first came out whenever any of my friends talked about him. Its a bit similar to what people think of Beiber. I mean, he even has a similar hair cut to what Zac Efron has

To cut the long story short, Bieber is kind of like the next Zac Efron because Efron is getting older. That's my view anyway

...why am I posting here???

Edit: Hot dang it, Fatmanonice beat me too it :/

 

[Skrlx]

That's cause Zac Efron cut the Walt Disney umbilical cord.

 

[Fatmanonice]

That's cause Zac Efron cut the Walt Disney umbilical cord.

And if that leads to good things for him then good for him. I really don't like teeny-bopper things as it is but it can lead to better things when they "grow out of it." I think the Beatles are the best example of this. Starting off, they were just used to wow horny teenage girls the world over and then they actually started to develop and become interesting individuals. Granted, I don't support how some of them almost killed themselves from drugs but I do like that they actually became more interested in the world and things that meant more than money. Case in point, comparing "I Want To Hold Your Hand" to John Lennon's "Imagine." One's catchy but has hardly a point to it while the other isn't exactly something you'd find yourself humming at work but you may find yourself thinking about it long after you've heard it.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I don't like his music simply because it's not my kind of music, but I don't dislike him as a person. I don't really understand why people do, either. Unlike the Disney people who had there own TV shows and then just started having singing careers, I feel like he actually has some talent. It angers me when people hate him just to hate him or because it's the popular thing to do.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

I just read this, and three things:

MK, I love you now.

Whoever thinks Edward Cullen Actor is hot is so wrong, and for the record Bella is ugly as **** too.

Beiber won't be **** in 10 years, he is a phase, and he probably knows it. Who cares?

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm sad because of what his songs show. It really makes me think this is what American culture is like.

Also, on the Kesha example. She's not that talented, she's just attractive (I find this too) and that sells. Message = 10%, sound = 30%, simplicity = 40%, attractiveness = 20%. It's a basic formula. (Simplicity means, easy to remember. Notice how easy Justin Biebers song are to remember? I bet every single haters remember his choruses. Why? Because they consist of one line or even a word repeated over and over again. Easy to remember, simplicity at its finest)

P.S. All things aside, Edward is pretty mass appeal. He's hot. And I find Bella pretty attractive, doesn't take away it's a dumb-*** character. But it doesn't matter, because it's the actor that looks good, and I don't know **** about the actor.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

How can you find them attractive? I'm not even hating on the books, the books were okay and all I just can't stand his voice, his nose, and honestly neither of them are very good actors.When he left her in the forest, Bella is like "No..don't go..", which makes it seem like she doesn't care at all.

 

[Jim Morrison]

How can you find them attractive?

Because not everyone enjoys the same things.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Don't question my taste in music. I'm defending Justin. He has talent. But I won't stand here and say that he's one of my favorite artists. I like him, but he's not. It's giving him a break because yes, he is talented, but unfortunately he was born in a time where people want to hear electric pop and dance music, and he won't be promoted for doing true ballads.

I don't understand why people need to protect music artists. Instead people should be protecting individual songs that they appreciate from the artist. To put up an example, Recovery was one of the worst albums by Eminem and just rehashed lines that he used in "When the Music Stops" (Cold Wind Blows) and his cohesion with background music was horrible. "Love The Way You Lie" is being played across numerous radio stations despite the fact that it is one of the worst songs on the album. Even though Recovery is horrible, this album still doesn't demean songs like Marshall Mathers, The Way I Am, Kim, Stan, The Real Slim Shady, and numerous other songs that reflected how he truly felt about the superficial music industry and other artists like Bieber, Kesha, & Lady Gaga who are just pawns in order to generate corporate gain.

Justin isn't creative or talented. His songs like "One Less Lonely Girl" are stupid and don't really try to reflect the reality of being attracted to another person. The song depends on a repetitive chorus line that blatantly states out, "Hey you're going to be one less lonely girl if you suck on my balls." Like you mentioned, this isn't a problem for eleven year old girls who are fucking ********. There are plenty of "smarter" love songs that have saturated the market like Lily Allen's "Who'd Have Known" and Norah Jones's "Don't Know Why" that try to reflect some reality in relationships regardless of how hard it is to capture in a song.

Tl;dr: The first mistake is that your defending an artist, not his music. The second mistake is that your defending an artist whose audience base is eleven year old girls. I have every right to question your taste in music when it seems like your preference lies in artists like Kesha and Bieber who are reused, regurgitated, and recycled corporate trash just like the Jonas Brothers and other talentless musicians that can only connect with a tasteless youth.

When Kesha sings, all I can hear is the rolling voice that autotune produces. It's not really talent. But I'll admit, she writes good songs.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

This is true. But then again, I'm not picky, unless you're weird or like 500 lbs your hot to me >_>. (Don't take that very firmly btw)

 

[M.K]

Acrostic, I have the feeling you are incredibly unfamiliar with Lady Gaga.
Nobody who knows her story/motives/talent would call her a tool.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I respect Lady Gaga, mainly because she's actually an intelligent human being, and she tries to be unique, not fit in with the rest of the music industry.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Acrostic, I have the feeling you are incredibly unfamiliar with Lady Gaga.
Nobody who knows her story/motives/talent would call her a tool.

I don't care about a persons backstory/motives.

It's about what they create and if it appeals me. Her only song I enjoyed alot was Just Dance. Because it was just chill.

 

[Clownbot]

Lady Gaga's not too bad but sometimes it seems like she does bizarre things for the sake of being bizarre.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, I have the feeling you are incredibly unfamiliar with Lady Gaga. Nobody who knows her story/motives/talent would call her a tool.

Sure I do: make music, attract attention, and retain revenue from the popularity of a manufactured image. The same thing with Eminem and every other artist in the industry. Just dump a couple of good songs in the beginning and then capture attention by being a jerk, dressing in skimpy/outrageous outfits, or doing drugs. The End.

 

[Godbrother11225]

My reaction to looking at Lady Gaga

 

[-Axis-]

Meh.

To me, his songs just sound like the usual dribble that comes out of my car radio everyday.

I don't really have a problem with his voice sounding young/feminine, I mean, Jackson 5 was a good group.

 

[Clownbot]

Sure I do: make music, attract attention, and retain revenue from the popularity of a manufactured image. The same thing with Eminem and every other artist in the industry. Just dump a couple of good songs in the beginning and then capture attention by being a jerk, dressing in skimpy/outrageous outfits, or doing drugs. The End.

If you think every artist in the music industry is like this then I believe your views on it are a tad skewed.