Weekly Character Discussion: Sonic

[Tenki]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159785&page=8


http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202190&page=16

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[infomon]

Proof that we're awesome.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I'm actually enjoying Battlefield a lot more than FD atm.
WHOAZ NAO U USE GANON?

I hate all neutral stages actually bar Final Destination and sometimes Smashville.
People don't use CP's enough.

And no, I don't.
;]

 

[Napilopez]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159785&page=8


http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202190&page=16

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I don't get the connection =/ Iz too slow.

 

[Camalange]

I hate all neutral stages actually bar Final Destination and sometimes Smashville.
People don't use CP's enough.

And no, I don't.
;]

I take almost everybody to Lylat Cruise. Sonic almost always has the upperhand there it seems.

I didn't think so, just had to point it out

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159785&page=8


http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202190&page=16

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lol, we already double the MK discussion thread and that was the first one done.
Awesome.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Lylat Cruise is one of Sonic's best stages.

I really like Frigate Orpheon. I don't know why though.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

I don't get the connection =/ Iz too slow.

..MK discussion went for 8 pages. Sonic discussion is more than double that. But it's only us talking anyways, lol.

Lylat Cruise is one of Sonic's best stages.

I really like Frigate Orpheon. I don't know why though.

I despise Lylat, but I love Frigate <3

 

[Napilopez]

..MK discussion went for 8 pages. Sonic discussion is more than double that. But it's only us talking anyways, lol.

Oh, haha, I didn't notice that was the last page, I was just reading through the posts and looking for a connection, lulz.

 

[Greenstreet]

The SBR is mostly right unfortunately.

 

[Kinzer]

We're so off-topic because nobody else is here...

 

[Camalange]

I really like Frigate Orpheon. I don't know why though.

I despise Lylat, but I love Frigate <3

WAH? Perhaps I should give that stage a try...I've never liked it but it's been awhile.

lol @ Napi XD

 

[memphischains]

BECAUSE THEY REFUSE THE STEAK

they arn't worthy

 

[Napilopez]

Lol, the link boards and pit boards are the only ones with(slightly) longer character discussion threads than this one, and we just started! XD

 

[Browny]

The SBR is mostly right unfortunately.

wtf

play me some more, use the tactics the SBR mentions on how to beat sonic, and then tell me how right they are

 

[Tenki]

In their defense (whoever mentioned it from SBR), jumping and randomly throwing out attacks works far better than shielding and 'R-based defense' does.








on wifi.

 

[memphischains]

do you guys see what i was talking about though?
you would think they would want to know about him, too

 

[thecatinthehat]

do you guys see what i was talking about though?
you would think they would want to know about him, too

lol how could we not see your point.

You mention it everyday.

 

[The_Dyne]

I just read the whole thing... wow.

 

[mimic_king]

The answer is Sonic not fox.

Why is misty? Should lead them to the gamefaqs melee board. On there, I have a topic titled: "Why is Misty?" In that topic the post says: "Looking for an Invasion From Beyond?". This clues them to search for the board Invasion from Beyond which is a basically dead back room on gamefaqs XD. On that board I made a topic called:"Look what Misty Found"
That topic says: "While looking next to a Sandbag"

If you look at the character battles on gamefaqs bracket, in division 8 Sandbag is right next to Sonic.

.

You sure made me feel like an idiot.

 

[Blackbelt]

I come back after a long day of work, and I see no progress.


I honestly expected better.


Anyway, someone suggested earlier that we, the sonics, write up a review.

That honestly sounds like a good idea.

 

[Tenki]

Why?

There's no point to it lol.

 

[Blackbelt]

Why?

There's no point to it lol.

I like proving people wrong.


I especially like proving authority figures wrong.

 

[Anther]

Overly simplified dtilt strategies probably work a lot better against me in friendlies when it's my first week picking up a strange character <3.

 

[infomon]

You sure made me feel like an idiot.

how so? I don't recall you ever throwing in your vote for Fox, like I did

 

[Tenki]

dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn

way to make it not epic.

we can't poke at you for that :[


lol the way they made it sound, it sounded like Anther was struggling really hard to break a D-tilt-in-place spam and lost horribly to it. >_> now it just makes them look like silly braggards =/

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Greeeeeaaaaat Antherrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Napilopez]

Overly simplified dtilt strategies probably work a lot better against me in friendlies when it's my first week picking up a strange character <3.

LOL. This. Win.

/nopoke

 

[da K.I.D.]

meh, im too tied up doing this Mk ban thing to do a write up for sonic, and even if i did they wouldnt switch them so w/e
but
for the record, the part about sonic countering inui was too good

 

[memphischains]

da J.O.H.N. has spoken

 

[da K.I.D.]

dont hate, appreciate.

as in appreciate how much more skill i have than you...

OH SNAP!!

 

[ShadowLink84]

Mah girl, save it for the MK matchup discussion, or tornado/shuttle loop thread.
Lol and don't approach MK, let him approaches. His approaches are so crap against someone who's not spamming projectiles. Just standing scares the **** out of them.

I have to disagree. MK is very good at approaching just like Marth.
unlike sonic, he has great range and speed to all hi attacks. So if he does approach, he can just zone you and ensure that you can't retaliate.

hich is why Mk is such a hard matchup for Sonic.
unlike Marh who has unsafe moves and can be taken advantage of to a degree, MK doesn't have that many weaknesses. All of his moves are very safe and have greater range than Marth (safe move wise) with little cooldown time.

So if you don't approach , you risk getting zoned which is a terrible thing to have occur.
don't say mah girl.


Anyways if the SBR doesn't want to respond its probably because they don't feel like it and feel we are being unreasonable. *shrug*
Considering some of the responses, its understandable.

Mind you I do respect the SBR, but I now a bad write up when I see one.
Like they said they just did a write up cause the character exists, not because they actually want to have a serious discussion. At which point, there is really no point to the character weekly discussion.

 

[memphischains]

i love how EVERYONE from the sbr responded

 

[thecatinthehat]

tis now the steak discussion.

GOGOGO!

 

[Jim Morrison]

Steak juice is the best.

 

[aeghrur]

I'm going emo because I have no steak sauce in my house.

 

[Chis]

I should have expected this from a NINTENDO site about a SEGA character.

 

[Greenstreet]

wtf

play me some more, use the tactics the SBR mentions on how to beat sonic, and then tell me how right they are

In that Sonic is a novelty character, and that his weaknesses are ridiculously blatant. And the stuff about just hitting through him to beat him is pretty true. Priority suuuuuucks.

Everyone's dash attack picks them up >_>


Sonic is basically a novelty character.


That said, he DOES do well at punishing simple mistakes. A good Sonic player will mess you up good if you play sloppy.

sonic runs fast but isn't fast at the same time

he's alright i guess - only the best of the best sonic players will ever accomplish anything because of his extremely low priorities...

underrated by the better players i think

What does Mr. 3000 and the like do with him that is different? From what I've seen, all the "good" Sonic players do is no different than the "bad" Sonic players... the good sonic players just do it better and call their opponent on more.

It seems Sonic's entire game is based around punishment.

I think the best way to fight sonic is to throw out attacks as quickly as possible and to pretend his attacks don't exist. It works alarmingly well.

I really think Sonic has potential against characters that have a good deal of start-up lag on their attacks as well as ending lag. Sonic is fast enough to really abuse the short startup lag on most smashes... He can dash grab many characters from a surprising distance without worrying about smash attacks. Tilts and jabs are generally fast enough to knock Sonic out of the way, but when your opponent is attempting to KO they very much have to rely on aerials. The old Melee trick of waiting until they land to grab them could work well for Sonic, as if even if he is punished by a tilt or jab it is unlikely the opponent can follow up with a KO move.

Synopsis:

While Sonic counters Inui, past that he does little else that someone doesn't do better. Sonic is a very fun character to play and has many unique attributes that certainly change the matchup, but these do not overcome his blatant weaknesses. As fast as Sonic's dash may be, his aerial mobility is not up to par and as such his moves are often telegraphed far in advance. This makes it difficult to land aerials on an opponent for a KO, forcing you to use his f-smash as his main KO move. While Sonic is a lot of fun, he isn't that great; he will more than likely be a character that will bring about the occasional surprise in tournaments but will rarely reach the upper levels.

I agree with most parts of these posts. Don't label me a Sonic hater though lol. I main him. But we all know he's not setup to be a fantastic character in anyway. Running speed just doesnt seem to matter in Brawl. His aerial acceleration is low, which is pretty important (well at least more important).
HIs priority is low, his weight is average and his kill moves are rare and not that speedy either.

That's just what I was talkin about when I said they were correct, and it's true.
As for playstyles, that's a different story, a Sonic can stil mess with an opponents head and punish them all day, but as soon as that person learns the matchup properly, there isn't much we can do other than hope for the best.

 

[ROOOOY!]

In saying "Good Sonic mains do nothing different to bad ones", it's actually pretty wrong. That's just simply Mr 3000 not showcasting all of Sonic AT's or potential in general, and they're just massively generalising.
Lets see a bad Sonic know how ASC works.

And it still annoys me when people say he has awful priority.
Subpar maybe, but there are several characters with worse priority than Sonic.
Like seriously, I'd ask SBR which of Sonic's moves actually have bad priority, though i'd only get ignored or told "all of them lol".

There's only like 5 or 6 moves with bad priority, and that's if you use them totally wrongly.

 

[darkNES386]

Tenki / Espy should have written a synopsis and Boxob... well... he already did what I was gonna say he should to the original synopsis.

 

[Dark Sonic]

In saying "Good Sonic mains do nothing different to bad ones", it's actually pretty wrong. That's just simply Mr 3000 not showcasting all of Sonic AT's or potential in general, and they're just massively generalising.
Lets see a bad Sonic know how ASC works.

And it still annoys me when people say he has awful priority.
Subpar maybe, but there are several characters with worse priority than Sonic.
Like seriously, I'd ask SBR which of Sonic's moves actually have bad priority, though i'd only get ignored or told "all of them lol".

There's only like 5 or 6 moves with bad priority, and that's if you use them totally wrongly.

You know, I was actually really suprised at how amazing Sonic's range is (not priority exactly, but close enough). You're not going to be going through many attacks, but it's quite easy to go around them in one way or another.

/preaching to someone that already knows this.