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We need Wavedashing, we must take action to assure it

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Rose Monkey

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If the glitches are needed to compete, there are plenty of glitches that are not useful in Melee.

Why not learn glitches? What do you have against glitches? :laugh:
Ever play.. let's say, WoW.

There was a glitch that allowed a Paladin's Reckoning ability to increase as much as it wants, allowing the Paladin to attack 2018439274290 times in one hit.

Was this fair? Nah.

Intentional? Nope.

Exploitable? Oh yeah. One shottin' bosses.

I guess because you CAN exploit the system and make it unfair to the actual game itself, means you should.
 

commonyoshi

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New glitchexploitsbugswatevers you cant even imagine will be (have already been) found, so stop cryin over a tech that belongs to another game nobody forces you to play brawl if you dont like it
I dont think you understand the point. Wavedashing opens up many, many new doors, and it's an excellent technique. I agree with some people when I say I really dont see why they would purposefully take it out if they already knew it existed. Sure, I do except it, but I dont see any reason why I shouldn't be at least a little confused (and hostilly bitter:mad:) by their decision.

Besides, the new air dodging is kind of stupid. That would be my opinion regardless of wether I wavedashed in melee or not.

And your "this is a new game" argument doesn't work. I'd be mad if Link hadn't made it into Brawl. "Well Link shouldn't be in because this is a new game blah blah blah!" See? Doesn't work.
 

Mr.GAW

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The problem is, you are thinking all glitches are classified in one category.

EDIT:

@ Rose Monkey.
 

Thino

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I dont think you understand the point. Wavedashing opens up many, many new doors, and it's an excellent technique. I agree with some people when I say I really dont see why they would purposefully take it out if they already knew it existed.
you talk like WD is an official technique and has to stay.

And your "this is a new game" argument doesn't work. I'd be mad if Link hadn't made it into Brawl. "Well Link shouldn't be in because this is a new game blah blah blah!" See? Doesn't work.
it does work actually since you know some characters from melee wont be returning.
lol @ u comparing Link to WD, your putting this ...thing too high Smash Bros importance scale
dont misunderstand me , I love WD'ing in melee , but I dont see any particular reason why it should be in Brawl
 

-Ben

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It's really funny hearing people say "I love wavedashing in Melee, and I can do it very well, but I'm happy it's not in Brawl".

Nice try, anyone who has fully integrated wavedashing into their Smash playing style would not be happy to see it go.
 

ChrisLionheart

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New game needs new exploits, old games can keep their exploits. It's all in the fun of getting better at a new game. Having to learn new exploits in fighting games is the best part of getting better. I am absolutely positive that Brawl will have tons of exploits and tricks in less than 1/2 a year of it's release. Wavedashing might not be part of it, but something even more "HOLY SH*T" will come up!
 

6th Sense

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It's really funny hearing people say "I love wavedashing in Melee, and I can do it very well, but I'm happy it's not in Brawl".

Nice try, anyone who has fully integrated wavedashing into their Smash playing style would not be happy to see it go.
Wrong. I have and I love the technique, but I also play 64 so I'm used to no wavedashing also. I did not care when people said they couldn't wavedash at E for All.

I heard landing lag has been reduced to Lcancel speed , I think it will make things easier instead of hurting IMO
I hate that. The game is noob friendly now >_<
 

Thino

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It's really funny hearing people say "I love wavedashing in Melee, and I can do it very well, but I'm happy it's not in Brawl".

Nice try, anyone who has fully integrated wavedashing into their Smash Bros Melee playing style would not be happy to see it go.
fix'd

plus I said didnt I didnt see any reason , not that I'm happy
 

Rose Monkey

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It's really funny hearing people say "I love wavedashing in Melee, and I can do it very well, but I'm happy it's not in Brawl".

Nice try, anyone who has fully integrated wavedashing into their Smash playing style would not be happy to see it go.

Well, maybe next time they'll think twice about centering their strategy on a glitch.
 

Pookiez

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God i swear Brawl discussion is getting to be worse than what the WoW forums are... Anyways, I've tried playing ICs w/o WDing just to see if it is possible... but i seriously would just rather stab my arm repeatedly... it's really unbearable. You can't really overuse dashdance because Nana just goes ******** and it's ******** to attempt to play w/o wavesmashing... and no JC usmash doesn't cut it. Then again this is melee... so brawl might make this a bit less unbearable.
 

Junpappy

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Just send them an email saying what you want, and who you are. That would be more effective than any petition.
 

-Knux-

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I know, I swear this was supposed to be a place for Smash players wanting to improve their game by learning advanced technques.
You sure about that? Because I have no use for advanced techniques. I like playing for the fun of the game. Of course I have no problem whatsoever with competitive players, I just prefer to play in my own style.
 

Dark Hogosha

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I like wavedashing. A lot. I like any movement trick in most any fighting game, from wavedashing in Tekken to instant airdashing in Guilty Gear (and 3rd Strike with Twelve). I love characters with mobility, it makes the game fun.

And I'm saying to any of you that this applies to, right now, that you don't know what you're talking about if you think that the lack of wavedashing as we know it in Melee will kill Brawl. Let's review.

Too used to wavedashing? Go from Super SF2 Turbo to Alpha 3 and try throwing the same way. Then play 3rd Strike. And then go play CVS2 afterward. Don't know what I'm talking about? Throwing is different in each of them. THROWING. Not some glitch, not some game-breaking move, not some ridiculously hard tactic, not some movement trick, no. Just throwing. And yet you see people managing to play each and every one of those games well at tourneys using the same character in each (FYI, you can play as Ryu, Ken, or Chun-Li in any of those, and a multitude of characters in 2 or 3 of them). If they can manage it among all those games, you can manage it in the transition from one to one other. Heck, you probably won't even play Melee anymore, so that limits it to ONE game. If you can't muster the skill to do this, then keep playing Melee. We'll be playing Brawl. Have fun.

Think it'll ruin the depth of the game? Please. There will be other glitches to exploit, other movement tricks to use. Characters will move up and down the tier list. The game will develop, just as Melee did, over a long period of time. I'm gonna miss wavedashing/landing (and djc-ing, since I main Yoshi), but I'll live and enjoy what will be a fine game in four months.

Think that the difference between scrub and pro will disappear? I sincerely doubt it. There used to be a French Soul Calibur II player named Dan the Nightmare. Won Evo 2k3. His strength? He used down+forward B (a high-priority upwards-launching slash). A lot. In fact, he used the move 95% of the time. Move IS pretty good, but it's not game-breaking by far. He just knew how to use it better than anyone else. He's beaten people with JUST that move. Is he a scrub? God no. He outthought you, outsmarted you, and just outplayed you. With one move on a mid-tier character. Even other Nightmare players couldn't do it like him. Wasn't fancy, wasn't flashy. Was just better than you.

Trust me, the game isn't going to crap just 'cause they changed airdodging.


With that said, the people on here who blast pros for wanting to keep wavedashing also don't know what they're talking about. No good pro JUST wavedashes, and I'm pretty sure that they'll own you in whatever mode you can cook up in your "this is the way the game was intended" little mind. Start using items if you're not gonna make any sense in this thread.
 

NES n00b

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Because you touch yourself at night.




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So if I stop touching myself at night, people will understand all the metagame of "pros" in Melee and understand Sirlin's philosphy?

Edit: This forum use to be about the love of the game but the most dedicated stayed and then after that, it was then made to connect people to tournies and stuff. Later, stuff was added to character strats since everyone wanted to improve their game.

The brawl forums invited the casual smashers so this is a new thing that hasn't happened in quite awhile. . . . .
 

Rodriguezjr

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I would say it's too late by now since I'm guessing the game is already done but, now are trying to make things as balanced, less glitches, and making online play the best it can be.

Who knows, there may be some other exploits but, that will take time to learn and discover in the game. Its no different than any other game out there.

People had to take time to find out all these tricks in Melee and that took a couple of years or so.
 
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