FalconPunch
Smash Journeyman
How did wavedashing ruin the strategy?
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We need Wavedashing, we must take action to assure it
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it wasnt a bug or a glitch it was an exploitation of the physics system... there is a big difference
yeah... *cries*waveshining was fun too
FalconPunch
Smash Journeyman
We all know someone haxor'd M2K's account to post this. >_>
Regenerator
Smash Cadet
I can't be bothered right now to read through way to many pages, so this might have already been said.
M2K, I highly respect you as a Smasher, but you're just making yourself look stupid right now.
Do you honestly believe that you became the #1 Smasher thanks to wavedashing (or any other advanced tech)? Because I don't. If so, then you aren't as confident about your skills as you should be.
Or you're just afraid of losing your position as the best Smasher in the world.
In my oppinion, Smash (like most other competitive games) is all about outsmarting your opponent. The only thing that advanced techs do, is give you more options to do so.
All the avid tourny goers have the exact same tools to outsmart their opponents as you do, yet you still manage to beat them.
Why? Because you can wavedash better? I think not!
It's because they can't outsmart you. And if you and your opponent both fight without any advanced techs, they still shouldn't be able to do that.
To quote countless of Smashers:
MINDGAMEZ SON!!! (I've always wanted to say that
)And if depth is all you care about, then I think that you won't have anything to worry about with Brawl.
Along with the new official techs, people WILL find many unofficial ones for you to use.
In just one day of playing Brawl, people have already found completely new techs. And there will be more.
Just have faith in Brawll and the Smash community to uncover it's hidden depth.
Yeah, is too sad and hard to believe
i think M2K is annoyed because there seems to be no reason to remove wavedashing whereas there are many reasons as to why it should be left in.
Dizzynin
Smash Rookie
...If there's anything to find. It seems that the developers are bent on making the game more casual-oriented--maybe they're more careful this time not to leave out any glitches or exploits? I also wouldn't be surprised if they removed the Ink Drop by the time the game is released...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more ATs and thus more depth, but I'm just naturally a pessimist. Hopefully someone will prove me wrong.
no reason to remove it?
how about that it was an UNINTENDED EXPLOITATION of the physics of the game?
blooagga
Smash Journeyman
Im sorry but this is a very sad thread...as much as I love wavedashing I have to say that it will probally never be seen again in future smash (unless some otehr method is discovered
ok it was unintended but how did it harm the game in any way?
It seemed to just make it better.
It seemed to just make it better.
Kabyk-Greenmyst
Smash Lord
If you want WD'ing so bad, stick with Melee.
M2King, you're clearly the type of person who is so conservative, your world would shatter if you wake up in the morning and your shoes were on the left side of the room instead of the usual right side.
Brawl is not Melee. Deal with it.
M2King, you're clearly the type of person who is so conservative, your world would shatter if you wake up in the morning and your shoes were on the left side of the room instead of the usual right side.
Brawl is not Melee. Deal with it.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I think you are overestimating the importance of Wavedashing and underestimating the pro players.
People had to learn new strategies from the transition of 64 to Melee...of course the same thing will happen in Brawl. If the pros can adapt, they will succeed onto champions in Brawl...
It's not like they ONLY use wavedashing to win matches
People had to learn new strategies from the transition of 64 to Melee...of course the same thing will happen in Brawl. If the pros can adapt, they will succeed onto champions in Brawl...
It's not like they ONLY use wavedashing to win matches
Nintendude
Smash Hero
Technically an exploit is like anything unintended that exists because of what's in the game. With this definition, aren't a lot of chaingrabs exploits? What about some of the really elaborate combos with characters like Marth and Falcon? They just happened to result from the character designs and physics. Same with wavedashing.
Fletch
Smash Master
How about it gave this game infinitely more depth, allowed for a real competitive scene, and made the community what it is today? This "exploitation" did far more positive than negative.
Thino
Smash Master
well thats your conception of 'better' , not Nintendo's
because it was an exploitation.
it altered the flow of the game in a way that Sakurai did not intend, and caused people to begin to work around this exploitation to the point where they depend on it. if you need an example, look at M2K. that is obviously not how sakurai intended his game to be played and obviously, with the removal of it, isn't how he WANTS IT. you can't argue with that, people. if you don't like how sakurai works don't play his **** game.
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
I hope Melee still has a thriving competitive scene once Brawl is out. I don't like the things that are happening in Brawl.
Melee = CS 1.6
Brawl = Source
Pick one.
Melee = CS 1.6
Brawl = Source
Pick one.
slikvik
Smash Master
you dont play fighting games much, huh?
noone has answered me yet, what harm did it bring to melee...
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Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
WD isn't Brawl, deal with it...or go back to Melee.
yes i did.
Well first of all, wavedashing is a glitch in Melee. So therefore, it's called cheating. All Sakurai's team did was fix a problem that was in Melee.
Also did you ever consider that it was a demo that was played and not the final copy? So in theory, until the final version of the game is on shelves, nothing is confirmed. Even Mario isn't 100% confirmed as a playable character until the game hits stores.
If the demo holds true, I am happy that wavedashing is gone. I don't want basically the same game again, if wavedashing is truly gone did you ever think that there will many more advanced techniques to take its place?
Also did you ever consider that it was a demo that was played and not the final copy? So in theory, until the final version of the game is on shelves, nothing is confirmed. Even Mario isn't 100% confirmed as a playable character until the game hits stores.
If the demo holds true, I am happy that wavedashing is gone. I don't want basically the same game again, if wavedashing is truly gone did you ever think that there will many more advanced techniques to take its place?
Thino
Smash Master
it was unintended , thats the harm
Nintendude
Smash Hero
It's cheating even if anyone can learn it and apply it?
The only thing that can be considered cheating is something that is unbeatable. I think the only example of that is an infinite stall after gaining a lead, which is why it's banned.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
There are already glitches in Brawl found...Pros will exploit them.
If a pro can't win unless they wavedash they aren't that good in the first place anyway. They will adapt and suceed with their skill and the exploitation of other things.
If a pro can't win unless they wavedash they aren't that good in the first place anyway. They will adapt and suceed with their skill and the exploitation of other things.
What glitches have been found in Brawl? Name one.
Drunken_Dragon
Smash Journeyman
Gltiches can and should be used in competative play.
abuse anything you can. however, dont whine if you cant abuse it.
beit because you suck and cant do it, or it got removed.
accept things and move on, both "sides".
abuse anything you can. however, dont whine if you cant abuse it.
beit because you suck and cant do it, or it got removed.
accept things and move on, both "sides".
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Well moonwalking is still in the game and Ink dropping is apparently a glitch
the only thing that can be considered cheating is something ubeatable? where did you get that logic from?It's cheating even if anyone can learn it and apply it?
The only thing that can be considered cheating is something that is unbeatable. I think the only example of that is an infinite stall after gaining a lead, which is why it's banned.
so if an athlete uses steroids, he must be completely unbeatable or it's not considered cheating?
Dizzynin
Smash Rookie
I'm not sure if they're exactly glitches, but so far, there's Ink Drop and edge hugging.
Nintendude
Smash Hero
Ok fine cheating is also the use of external ways to give you an advantage. I figured that was implied though. How about you respond to my other point about exploits too.
With all due respect, "Ink Dropping" is just exploiting physics that the developers put in intentionally. I can't speak on behalf of Moonwalking though, so if that's a glitch, I stand corrected.
Drunken_Dragon
Smash Journeyman
wave dashing was just the physics engine too.
Regenerator
Smash Cadet
If? I truly believe that it's impossible to take out every bug/glitch/exploit that's in Brawl before it launches. Let alone, being able to foresee how we use and combine the moves and techs they give us.
And keep in mind that both SSB and SSB:M are party games made for the casual player.
Nobody could've known about their competitive viabilty when we first started playing.
We can only hope that Brawl turns out to be the same.
Like I said: "Have faith in Brawl".
I do!
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