Wavedashing in Brawl... (Hacked version)

[blooagga]

sorry to mundane, i thought i was reading the wavedash thread!

Ive been reading this thread for a while and i think you need to be a little bit nicer

 

[strangely mundane]

He could have meant the lcanceling code. >.>

Yeah I was, I learn to be more clear on what I'm asking.

 

[Phantom Wings]

Ew I can't believe so many people are still trying to make brawl melee 2.0.

**** kids and their hacking devices.

lrn2brawl.

Just for the record, I do not and did not use wavedashing or L-Canceling in Melee or Brawl... I Simply hack the codes for the challenge and as a hobby. Now, if you think that I'm a "**** kid with a hacking device", the least you could do is learn to ask a person on what they think before making comments as such - or else you'll end up sounding like a **** kid who gets a kick out of flaming people who try to have fun and allow others to have fun at the same time...

please lrn2growup and lrn2livewithit...

(and quite frankly, I'm pretty good at brawl - I don't know how much because I really don't care about comparing myself to other people - especially kids who get a kick out of flaming others who play for fun)

 

[DarkISDA]

Shiek, charizard, ivysaur can't wavedash, and peach is limited.

Yes they can wavedash o_O

 

[Iamthemovie]

Well, for now, I don't think a hitstun code is necessary, I'm content with the WD code right now.

 

[IDK]

now make a hack... to add hitstun. MK and diddy =autowin. YAAAAAAY.

 

[B.W.]

Other codes will get here if/when they get here.

But Phantom Wings is a man among men, and deserves cake. That is all.

 

[Heavyarms2050]

Other codes will get here if/when they get here.

But Phantom Wings is a man among men, and deserves cake. That is all.

but....the cake is a lie.....

now make a hack... to add hitstun. MK and diddy =autowin. YAAAAAAY.

how so? Just like melee, as you long you can DI correctly, you can avoid MOST combos

 

[Wind Owl]

I still want L-cancelling... Or even Z-cancelling would be AMAZING.

I mean, SSB64 had ridiculous hitstun AND no-lag aerials. Melee had decent hitstun and low-lag aerials. I want to see a game with no hitstun and no lag, just to try it out. I think it could be crazy fun. Plus, Metaknight's main asset (his lack of lag) would be nullified by the fact that NOBODY has lag now. Snake could get a bit cheesy, but honestly the startup on his moves isn't so great. Link was TOO fun in SSB; I loved having that wall-of-pain type Dair.

Phantom Wings, as I understand it, your current code allows you to hold L/R during an aerial, and if you land while it's held, it cancels ALL lag? Could you PLEASE give this code to us? I know I would have a lot of fun with it.

 

[B.W.]

The cake is not a lie, beat Portal already.

In other news, let's try to stay on topic. Is the code 100% flawless this time around? No more problems?

 

[Heavyarms2050]

The cake is not a lie, beat Portal already.

In other news, let's try to stay on topic. Is the code 100% flawless this time around? No more problems?

according to Phantom Wings, Wave Dashing code is flawless right now

 

[Wind Owl]

The cake is not a lie, beat Portal already.

In other news, let's try to stay on topic. Is the code 100% flawless this time around? No more problems?

As far as anyone can tell, save for some non-broken nonsense with Zair, yes.

 

[Xebenkeck]

Yes they can wavedash o_O

Sorry i was watching an older video, im watching one now where they fixed that problem, but like i said doesn't this is some aspects throw the balance even more out the window

 

[Heavyarms2050]

Sorry i was watching an older video, im watching one now where they fixed that problem, but like i said doesn't this is some aspects throw the balance even more out the window

examples plz

 

[Wind Owl]

Let's not get into this... Nobody can tell how wavedashing will affect balance, and even if they can, this isn't the thread for it =/

 

[Xebenkeck]

look back at my other post,
just one though olimars grab would be the most unbalanced thing ever, it already had huge range and was fast, now he could activate it from even further away, and it doesn't have hardly any lag. just one

 

[Phantom Wings]

As far as I know, there isn't any places that could go wrong(no ASM), but what this code basically does is allow you to shield any time during the landing animations(which was, actually, what I thought L-Canceling was based on)... Silly me.

[B]Shield Canceling:[/B]
80000000 80623320
80000001 00000000
60000006 00000000
60000003 00000001
4A001000 00000000
4A101001 00000000
36000000 00000032
58010000 00000004
DE000000 80008180
58010000 00000060
DE000000 80008180
92210002 0000007C
58010000 0000007C
58010000 0000002C
92210003 00000004
4A001002 00000000
34000038 00000015
36000038 00000019
4A001003 00000000
10000084 00000080
E2000002 00000000
80100001 00000008
62000000 00000001
E2000003 00000000
80000001 00000000
80100000 00000244
62000000 00000000
E0000000 80008000

Though you might want to test it out in MMB, it might inadvertently allow the alloys to shield which may cause the game to freeze - but that's just speculation.

Anyways, I think I may stop hacking SSBM like codes for now. I'm getting kinda' bored with it all...

 

[Wind Owl]

;_;
You just made a lot of people so happy, and yet so sad.

 

[thesage]

Dude the djc. Do you think you can program it?

 

[GreenKirby]

Let's not get into this... Nobody can tell how wavedashing will affect balance, and even if they can, this isn't the thread for it =/

Of course we can. MK will be even more broken.
Hell, when L-canceling is implemented, it won't reduce MK (nonexistent) lag, but increases the lag of the opponents.

All that aside, no one STILL found a way to for 6 player? :O
C'mon, it can't be that hard. I want 6 player and then I can die happy.

PS, where can you get Ocarina or whatever? And does this work for the GC version of Twilight Princess

 

[Wind Owl]

Of course we can. MK will be even more broken.
Hell, when L-canceling is implemented, it won't reduce MK (nonexistent) lag, but increases the lag of the opponents.

... How do you figure that?

 

[Xebenkeck]

... How do you figure that?

I second that, how does l-canceling increase others lag time?

 

[Iamthemovie]

I want a Crouch Cancelling code, now that I think about it. But you dont need to do it really... It's a suggestion...

 

[GreenKirby]

Guys that was a joke. O:

Of course it won't increase the foes' lag

 

[Cerozero]

Of course we can. MK will be even more broken.
Hell, when L-canceling is implemented, it won't reduce MK (nonexistent) lag, but increases the lag of the opponents.

All that aside, no one STILL found a way to for 6 player? :O
C'mon, it can't be that hard. I want 6 player and then I can die happy.

PS, where can you get Ocarina or whatever? And does this work for the GC version of Twilight Princess

Metaknight has **** near no landing lag.

Oh and thanks Phantom all your hard work has made all of our lives a little better. Keep up the good work.

 

[thesage]

I second that, how does l-canceling increase others lag time?

Clearly he meant lag increasing? >_>;

L-canceling will not really help in brawl since most characters already have lagless attacks. We need to fix the airdodging out of everything IMO.

 

[Xebenkeck]

Dude the djc. Do you think you can program it?

I like your thinking

 

[Wind Owl]

Quit bugging him, he said he's done. Geez...

 

[bigman40]

People thinking about adding hitstun, You probably don't even need it as much as before now (probably just need a small amount but nothing big). Most people got out of "combos" because multiple airdodges were allowed. Now that you can only airdodge once, you either have these choices:

1. Try to attack him while he's trying to combo you.
2. DI to prevent getting combo'd even more.
3. Airdodge and make yourself vulnerable for another, maybe more powerful, attack

So, thinking about the options you have left, unless you have an attack that is going to beat out your opponent's (Marth & Snake maybe?), then you're still going to get combo'd.

 

[Heavyarms2050]

I want a Crouch Cancelling code, now that I think about it. But you dont need to do it really... It's a suggestion...

God forbids CC, its the most broken and cheapest "technique" in melee. I kinda agree that increase hitstun MAY increase MK "brokenness," but to add CC to the formula, then i can safely conclude that you really do have yourself an autowin.

People thinking about adding hitstun, You probably don't even need it as much as before now (probably just need a small amount but nothing big). Most people got out of "combos" because multiple airdodges were allowed. Now that you can only airdodge once, you either have these choices:

1. Try to attack him while he's trying to combo you.
2. DI to prevent getting combo'd even more.
3. Airdodge and make yourself vulnerable for another, maybe more powerful, attack

So, thinking about the options you have left, unless you have an attack that is going to beat out your opponent's (Marth & Snake maybe?), then you're still going to get combo'd.

this is what going to separate the pros from the noobs

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

1. Try to attack him while he's trying to combo you.
2. DI to prevent getting combo'd even more.
3. Airdodge and make yourself vulnerable for another, maybe more powerful, attack

So, thinking about the options you have left, unless you have an attack that is going to beat out your opponent's (Marth & Snake maybe?), then you're still going to get combo'd.

lol i can imagine these options to look alot like melee hit stun. You dont have much protection in midair now. you have a point.

 

[jodo]

I don't have much to add but a big
Thank You Phantom Wings
you are amazing and have continued to add to the increasingly amazing code base for Brawl. Keep it up and I hope that you find another fun and challenging way to hack Brawl. MMO Brawl? SSE Online? - Nintendo should hire you. srsly.
side note: I'll try to post a vid of a match using wavedashing. Can't wait to try tomorrow!

 

[Iamthemovie]

Wow, no lag at all? Haha, that was fun

Fox's dair is an infinite.

 

[Canadian*Sniper]

Ya I wouldn't put the "hold R/L/Z to zcancel instead of timing it correct" code in a tourney but I'd def. put no tripping and directional air dodging in :D

 

[Wind Owl]

I don't have much to add but a big
Thank You Phantom Wings
you are amazing and have continued to add to the increasingly amazing code base for Brawl. Keep it up and I hope that you find another fun and challenging way to hack Brawl.

This × ∞.

Spoiler

10i<3phantomwings

 

[MuBa]

Dude Phantom Wings you are my hero. Let's have babies together!


Btw I just did a falling Fair to Jab or Ftilt combo with Snake. It's too sexy!!

edit #2: do a short hop Nair then GRAB with Snake!


edit #3: You may want to add a half the land lag you normally get from a non-auto canceled aerial cuz some attacks chain into grabs very easily making the game broken.

 

[Hot Sauce]

All we need is a hack to make captain falcon soar in the air when he jumps with momentum again. Oh and "un-nerf" his f-air.

Btw, can this effect online play?

 

[Wind Owl]

Btw, can this effect online play?

As long as both players are using the exact same codes, yes.

 

[B.W.]

Dude Phantom Wings you are my hero. Let's have babies together!


Btw I just did a falling Fair to Jab or Ftilt combo with Snake. It's too sexy!!

edit #2: do a short hop Nair then GRAB with Snake!


edit #3: You may want to add a half the land lag you normally get from a non-auto canceled aerial cuz some attacks chain into grabs very easily making the game broken.

Or just make it harder to do. Like make it do a press rather than holding. And if it does a full L-cancel make it hard to do.

I know it was possible in SSB64, but it was crazy hard to pull off, but it killed all lag.

 

[null55]

Ike + L-cancelling = greatness.