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Wario Q&A Thread
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Pwneroni
Smash Lord
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I have a few questions. Toobusytocare told me that Wario's up angled Ftilt beats out every one of G&W's aerials. Now maybe I'm just a practical guy, but I tried many times in a tournament match, and I never landed 1 Ftilt. The range is BARELY long enough to go through G&W, but the startup lag makes this move less useful against a fast G&W. Anyone else feel the same way, or am I missing something?
You are correct. Ftilt will beat out a lot of attacks when spaced right, however the start up lag is significant enough that not only obtaining that spacing is hard, but preserving that spacing before getting hit yourself/before the opponent can move away is also very hard. I rarely use Ftilt in matches, although there are some very good applications for the move against moves that Wario can have trouble with normally.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
i may have exaggerated
it beats out nair, which is warios biggest problem in this MU <_<
it beats out nair, which is warios biggest problem in this MU <_<
Actually, Nair spaced very well beats out Ftilt. The Fish stick out far enough from G&W that they hit your arm/fist as it reaches out during Ftilt. Even when Ftilt is completely out, he can "poke" your arm/hand with it. It's kinda like how Wario can Ftilt DK punch while his arm is extended out, except also in G&W's case while you are extending it out too, before the hitbox occurs.
Padô
Smash Lord
I watched a lot of Mk Vs Wario matches, probably all of PX, Bassem, Dyno, DMG and others.
Iv'e notice that all of em the Wario isn't approaching with anything that involves DoubleJumps, is this important here or something sometimes I feel predictable when approaching with that...
Iv'e notice that all of em the Wario isn't approaching with anything that involves DoubleJumps, is this important here or something sometimes I feel predictable when approaching with that...
slikvik
Smash Master
opponent has much more time to react. if they're smart they'll just cover the pivot grab option everytime the see you do it...**** neo lol
i feel like nothing i tell you will matter
Three main things can go wrong when you DJ approach a lot against MK:
1. He shuttle loops randomly/knocks you offstage and now you have to start worrying about recovering when you shouldn't have to.
2. He hits you and keeps you in the air with tornado and leaves you with few options.
3. He uses this extra time to space better and forces you away.
There are some uses for DJ approaching against MK, but for the most part it's dangerous. I'd rather approach on the ground TBH. Approaching on the ground against MK is underrated slightly. There is a lot you can do if he isn't playing perfectly and doesn't expect it.
1. He shuttle loops randomly/knocks you offstage and now you have to start worrying about recovering when you shouldn't have to.
2. He hits you and keeps you in the air with tornado and leaves you with few options.
3. He uses this extra time to space better and forces you away.
There are some uses for DJ approaching against MK, but for the most part it's dangerous. I'd rather approach on the ground TBH. Approaching on the ground against MK is underrated slightly. There is a lot you can do if he isn't playing perfectly and doesn't expect it.
Padô
Smash Lord
Ground approach... I've been abusing from that. Powershield something then SH Dair or Nair, its awesome, or just grab + pummel for 14%
And why is this? Low post count?
Gichan
Smash Champion
What do you do against a snake who is spamming nades put putting them in effective places. Eveyrtime i approach there is either a nade about to explode or he has one on him so if i hit him i get *****.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Approach from the ground grab him make sure you have port priority.
Humpy Thrashabout
Smash Journeyman
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Me, BMX, and Snapple.
I'll either be wearing a green Straylight Run shirt or a black WPI shirt. Get at me.
I'll either be wearing a green Straylight Run shirt or a black WPI shirt. Get at me.
Gichan
Smash Champion
Straylight Run bloooowwss.
It means you have that many frames to act before your opponent. I don't remember if DMG used the word correctly in that thread or not. Sometimes he goes crazy with terms.
GOL | 482 | JSalt
The Folse Deity
When your opponent has used their double jump, try to predict where they will try to land onstage. If you can, place yourself there and wait for them to airdodge. If they do, it's a free waft. Personally, I wait for them to land after an up-air, up-throw, or DACUS.
The best time to use a waft is really personal preference and can depend on the situation. If you want the kill at low-mid percent, then it's best to use it between 1:20 and 1:50. If you want to use it to get a ton of damage, use a full waft.
I land waft on the lag of pretty much any move the opponent uses.
Nicks
Smash Journeyman
against which characters is it a good idea to bike edgeguard?
Snake(if hes out of gimping range), ddd, marth, donkeykong, diddykong, rob. Its good against like all the med-bottom tiers too. The only characters that its generally not a good idea to use against are falco because if he grabs you, he can chaingrab to spike you to your death and mk because he has mad gimpage.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
You Dacus with Wario the same way you would with snake. Practice more until you get the timing. Jab cancel is effective with wario.
I think it's the same guy.
Padô
Smash Lord
Does bite beats Snake's Dacus?
A campy Snake here waits for me to approach while he throws granades then DACUS the other side and repeats de process, any tips?
A campy Snake here waits for me to approach while he throws granades then DACUS the other side and repeats de process, any tips?
I believe bite beats the first part of the dacus before snake pulls the mortar out. The mortar has like a disjointed hitbox so you cant bite him after he pulls it out as it will just pop you up like snake's upsmash normally does if youre close to it.
If you predict the dacus, you can fsmash him out of it.
If you predict the dacus, you can fsmash him out of it.
SGF rocker
Smash Apprentice
i saw some amazing wario vids from a player from japan not to long ago... i forgot his name can anyone help me locate some vids of some japanese warios?
Waft-OLi
Smash Journeyman
Masky Masky Masky i am somehow miss spelling your name
Excellence
Smash Champion
I have a question: What are Wario's advantageous and negative zones? And what part of the stage does he work best and worst on?
For example, R.O.B. has negative zones beneath him because that's where he has no defense except for down air which is crappy and shouldn't be considered anyway. Olimar has below him as well because after his down air there isn't much the floaty guy can do.
Don't tell me it's based on play style. That can be made to warp any answer. But just off of his strengths and weakness as a chracter, what would you say to the above questions?
For example, R.O.B. has negative zones beneath him because that's where he has no defense except for down air which is crappy and shouldn't be considered anyway. Olimar has below him as well because after his down air there isn't much the floaty guy can do.
Don't tell me it's based on play style. That can be made to warp any answer. But just off of his strengths and weakness as a chracter, what would you say to the above questions?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I think its match up dependent.
Gichan
Smash Champion
It really is matchup dependent. Like for DDD, I used the advice about staying near the ledge so when i get grabbed I don't receive like 60% damage, instead it's one dthrow to usmash. So in that case Wario works best at the ledge of the stage but that obviously isn't the case for every char.
Excellence
Smash Champion
Okay. Well, I'm currently playing as (in this order from best to worst) Olimar, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Wario but I'm converting myself to Wario main-100% and everyone else not so much because I perfer him the most. My friend's Marth is giving me a lot of trouble and I know that part of it is because I told him what works and what doesn't, I'm also impossible to predict (except for the fact that you'll take damage somehow) and so he continually WoP's me. I really have a tough time when I actually have to go offensive. How can I get past WoP's? I know that I can run in, Power Shield and then grab, smash, double f-air, or N-air but other than that and going around things I'm lost because I can't get in.
Unrelated question: Anyone feel like they start to lose once they realize they're going aggro?
Unrelated question: Anyone feel like they start to lose once they realize they're going aggro?
I am always aggro...
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I start to lose when I camp because its as thougj i've lost all momentum. I wasn't aware that Marth had any WoP.