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lmao. man you're funny. i skimmed this post and im really glad i caught that last line LMAO
probably, but what im saying is that if you play wario and your best secondary is oli that you PROBABLY wont beat praxis as hes pretty **** vs wario and also knows the oli mu fairly well
peach and luigi are good vs oli too
M2K is not the best player, he's not the most skilled, and he isn't on a higher level than all the other top 4 placing players (Ally, ADHD, DEHF). M2K plays Meta Knight which gives him the advantage against his opponents every game. And when you see those matches you're getting the raw example of how a match-up advantage wins you the match. That's not to say that M2K isn't good but the other players are just as good, and in my opinion, Ally is better. M2K is known for "winging it" when he does know a lot of lower tier match-ups and you see him lose them. He lost to Snakeee's ZSS, Anti's Wolf, NickRiddle's ZSS, he used to think it was impossible to beat Snake when Ally first beat him, then he thought it was impossible to beat Diddy with the right Banana set-up when ADHD beat him. He wins now because he's playing the match-ups better and his character has an advantage that offsets the skill comparison here.
It does. M2K isn't too much better than Brood and if it wasn't skill alone that let Brood win it was match-up based. On stage Olimar does fine against Meta Knight. It's only once he gets knocked offstage that he gets obliterated. Your point about Sonic may or may not be valid but if you check the Sonic boards, I think they have it as 40:60 in Meta Knight's favor which is not 35:65 (Wario:Meta Knight). You may think 5 isn't that big a difference but in this case it makes the difference between switching and not switching characters. I never said it was unwinnable, although you should not win, nor did I say that I in particular had problems with this match-up.
M2k puts more work in to the game. practice harder wins more then all of those guys combined. He has dominated almost every single tourney he's been in this year and yet he's not the best? None of those guys places as consistently he does nor do they win as much as he does. I know m2k has lost to each of these players and then he come backs and beats them. He learns the MU studys the game and improves. If MK was the reason why m2k was good then the other "better players" should pick him up and duplicate his results. I'd put a G up that they wouldn't and another MK hasn't been able to put up his results. Give the dude his respect it's not MK it's him. THe time and effort he puts into the game.
Sonic gets ***** by MK . TOo many people see one persons doe well against a good player then they go nuts and overrate said character. No one is going to change your mind if you think in your heart of hearts that the mk vs wario MU is worse than sonic's MU with MK then I'll just have to say good day to you sir.
camp him
Oh I know (used to play Oli) but they don't give him as much trouble as marth and mk. They still aren't good mu's for him though.
The other players don't attend as many big tournaments as M2K does so you probably just don't hear about a lot of the smaller tournaments that they win. And reguardless if they're placing as consistently as he is, which for the most part they are, M2K uses Meta Knight which is the best character in the world. The small handful of maybe 8 or 9 players who can compete with M2K's skill level are being beaten by Meta Knight + A Stage. They're not being beaten by M2K alone. He is good but a lot of player will tell you that is not the best player-skill wise. The reason why other MKs can't duplicate his results is because they're not on his level. The same handful of eight or nine and beating everyone else because they're in their own league. The point shouldn't even be about M2K winning because of Meta Knight. It's about Olimar/Snake being the best two secondaries for Wario because they do well where he doesn't and compliment his playstyle.
If Wario is facing Dedede, do you take him to Yoshi's Island? Obviously not because Wario will get beat. But doesn't Wario do well on Yoshi's Island? He does fine on Yoshi's Island but not when he's facing Dedede. The same can be said for the three stages I mention. Wario might do okay there but not against Meta Knight's who know what they're doing. Meta Knight isn't even the prime focus of all Wario's troubles. The point is, you should switch to Olimar who does great on Battlefield against Meta Knight and beat him there.
You're saying this because Sonic is a crappy character. Sonic gets beaten by MK in the same fashion that Wario gets beaten by Peach. He can't approach and he has to rely on speed to punish anything she does and NOT let her take a lead. Sonic has enough to work with where Sonic vs Meta Knight is 40:60 and not 35:65 like Wario vs Meta Knight is. Wario has it worse. Go read the Sonic MU thread and see for yourself if you don't believe it from me.
I still play Olimar and Luigi is probably his hardest match-up because that's 65-35. Marth is only 40-60 and so are Meta Knight and Peach.
I reject everything cuz he doesn't make any sense. The Dark pch orange font doesn't help either though
Wafting is your best friend in this matchup imo. mix it up, dont be to aggro but dont fall in to hiding in your camping. shuttle loop is a *****. mix up your recovery as well.
m2k wins small tournies and big tournies. Despite what you may or may not think about me I'm mostly in all tourney thread no matter what region to see whos win. There's also a thread that ranks their players by wins and all this other stuff and surprise surprise m2k is sitting at the top. Also winning small regional doesn't impress unless your region is super stacked. When you come to a national when all the top players are there that's an even better chance to prove where you're at. No one has put up the placing m2k has period.
It's not as though Wario auto loses because of YI against d3 it's just the annoying platform. It's not bad and it's manageable it's entirely up to play prefence. I'm not going to sit here and ban YI against d3 nor am I going to sit here and cry because a d3 took me to YI. The same goes for the stages you listed. ALl of which are good for Wario just because m2k outperforms him on YI means nothing. The other stages are debatble I've seen high level MKs lose on BF and delfino to Wario and vice versa. Wario also does great on BF.
It changes nothing. Neither does Ally beating a wario with his captain falcon. You need consistent results. Taking one result and running rampant with it is beyond foolish. But do whatever floats your boat.
Hahaha
This. M2K pretty much knows this game inside and out. Sure he's lost to ADHD, Ally, and Brood, but this was because they outplayed him. M2K still remains the most consistent player to this day.
The conversation was actually about DMG being one of the only two Warios Ally hasn't beaten with Captain Falcon. I jokingly, hence the shifty eyes, said go King Dedede and just chaingrab him. Yes, I have played Ally but it doesn't counter because it was on Aib ladder.
M2K isn't the best player. And I didn't say he was ONLY dominate because he plays Meta Knight either, although it is a large part. You're a moron and I'd like you to never reply to anything I post. Got me?
Namecalling? Really? How very immature...
He did win tournaments when he was King Dedede but he certainly didn't win them all. And he was only playing King Dedede back then because people believed him to dominate Snake. Which, if you remember, was the dominating character at the time. Follow the trends. M2K picks whoever has the best chance of winning.
I actually find it quite hard to gimp a good link.
