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[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh man Vote: Rajam yea I can already see he's going to be freakin STRANDED in catch up land at this rate.

 

[July]

@Gorf, Asdioh, aa: Kk I will work on breaking up my posts, my bad.

 

[July]

Crap this colour is the same as July's.

One of us is probably scum. Since she posted in only a wall so far, that's anti-town, right Gorf?

Vote: July

That wall was really scummy.

What do you mean by this?

July is scum for her wall because she asked a lot of questions that are completely useless that she will get nothing from. In addition, July will NOT remind people to answer questions if they fail to do so, and I guarantee she will not follow up on any responses.

Prove me wrong, July. If you do so sufficiently, I'll back off of your colour for you.

Most of my questions were directed at either RR or T-Block and they very much affect how I read them, whether or not I believe both of them and if not, which one I believe more. I also asked you a question to clarify your stance that claiming right off the bat is anti-town, which you seem to have clarified in you #77. So I very much disagree with you that my questions are useless, except maybe my question to Asdioh which was poking at how he can never read me.

Also, what are you basing the italicized on?

I don't care that you have the same color as me, and I don't have to prove you wrong because the questions I asked are important and are getting answered.

 

[July]

Why do you feel I need to be "deal with"? You seem content with questioning everything I do BEFORE I even do it. Would it really be so bad to question things after they happen at least? I'm in the midst of telling July to explain her scumminess, and you jump on me telling me to explain her scumminess for her.

I don't know where this happened and idk what you want me to explain. I like to post walls because its easier for me but it makes it more difficult on others so I can change that. I won't change my questions because they will provide content that will help me understand intent, and that's why they are important.

 

[July]

What do people want from me about the claim exactly? My role name is ex-criminal worker. Description was given. RR is being dense and making assumptions where he shouldn't be. On the topic of his own claim, I see no reason to believe or disbelieve his claim at the moment, so I'll accept it. His actions thus far suggest to me that he is town though.

I've missed you, July =P



Call it a policy lynch if you want, sure. I put my vote on whomever I most wanted dead at the time.



Stated earlier, I'm informed.

I've missed you too T-Block, it's been quite a while

Anyways, I like your response in that first paragraph, especially that you didn't jump right on RR and assume he is lying or panic about someone claiming the same role as you.

I'm not a fan of policy lynches, but I like your bluntness and as with your claim, I see pro-town intent behind calling Rajam out early in the game for his activity problems.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think T-Block's claim can be trusted anymore.

Vote T-Block

 

[Virgilijus]

Virg were looking at the latest Maximum Magazine, scanning out each detail of top 50 sexiest women in the US. To his enjoyment, Kristen Bell was able to take top 10 spots, representing Michigan proudly with her lovely assets. However, Eva Mendez, who were representing Florida, was able to secure the top 5 spot. Virg felt the judges were either biasd, but at least his Kristen was in top 10.

While I am not a part of this game and know it is against the rules to post in a thread you aren't in I must say

There is no ****in way Eva Mendes is higher than Kristen Bell. No way. I reject this reality and submit my own.

Anyways, continue on.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Rereading this game is going to be physically painful if you keep this up, and I'm sure the people that have yet to arrive in-thread will agree. And what's even more annoying is that it's not a towntell for you, since I know you post a ton as town or scum.

Reading up and just reached this post and oh my goood this so much, it's annoying to read 3 pages of just Kantrip vs Sokr + Gorf on commentary. I'd appreciate if everyone could also try to actively think in the hours between now and 6 hours later, the times that I (Europe!!!) will be online.
If not, I'll have to make a wall every day of everything I read and will never get the chance to comment on things I notice without other people saying it before me and just looking like a parrot :|.

 

[Jim Morrison]

But my vote is still going to stay on Rajam. Join me on this wagon, Gorf? Others should as well.

Lynching inactives, FUN FUN FUN!

Unvote

Vote: Rajam

 

[Jim Morrison]

I don't think T-Block's claim can be trusted anymore.

Vote T-Block

You peek my interest.

I'm fairly sure T-block would ask the same thing: "Why?"

And I'm agreeing with July on this:

Anyways, I like your response in that first paragraph, especially that you didn't jump right on RR and assume he is lying or panic about someone claiming the same role as you.

In RR vs T-block claim debacle, slight favour towards T-block town.

 

[Asdioh]

In RR vs T-block claim debacle, slight favour towards T-block town.

Agreed. As hard as it is for me to see scumRR counterclaiming miller, it's even harder to see scumTB claiming miller off the bat, considering that scum usually don't know whether there's a miller in the game or not.

Thus, why I'm wondering about Gheb's vote.


I don't know much about Rajam, is he the kind of player who will come into the game, and respond to a wagon that formed due to his inactivity? Or will he just play as normal? I'm wondering how useful this wagon actually is.

 

[Sokr]

In RR vs T-block claim debacle, slight favour towards T-block town.

I disagree with this. I forget who said it, but I'm not leaning scum on either of them at the moment. They both are saying town to me. The only scuminess of their play is that they both claimed miller and it seems unlikely that there would be two millers in one small game.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Yeah, but the likelihood of one of them being scum over the likelihood of having 2 millers is considerably higher. I'm not saying we should lynch either of them now (I'd be all for lynching an inactive Today), but in the greater scheme of things, you definitely have to consider how likely it is that one of them is scum. Miller is one of the greatest things you can claim, it doesn't give the cop any incentive to investigate you anymore, since you're miller anyway.

So what it seems to me, there are 2 likely scenario's:
1: T-block doesn't want to be investigated and claims miller. He is scum and took the risk of getting counterclaimed and then brushing it off as just having 2 millers, because if he calls RR out and he gets lynched, T-block is next in line.

2: Red Ryu is on a suicide mission to get T-block lynched before him. This doesn't seem very likely, but RR grasping at things like length of the claim did not help him on his side of the story AT ALL.

3: Unlikely, we have 2 millers and 2-3 scum and we'd have a cop that's half useless.

 

[Rajam]

Hola

ok guys, here's the deal: I'm clearly the best player in this game, so, I'll offer a limited opportunity to the first three players that say me! (bolded); these players will hold hands with me so we can **** scum together.

Remember, only the first three

 

[Sokr]

To what argument of RR's are you referring? Can you elaborate on what you liked about it?

Actually, after rereading, I've changed my mind. It still seems town to me but it isn't as good as I initially thought when I skimmed over it.

Sokr and I are like best friends who go to the same high school and hang out to play brawl and stuff.

We're like best friends? But not actually? I'm hurt Kantrip

I'd like to know Sokr's experience too.

I've played in two games. Britches and Hose (doc/vig) and Newbie.... 15 (VT)? Is that right Gheb?

I don't think T-Block's claim can be trusted anymore.

Vote T-Block

I know this has been said already but why?

 

[Sokr]

Yeah, but the likelihood of one of them being scum over the likelihood of having 2 millers is considerably higher. I'm not saying we should lynch either of them now (I'd be all for lynching an inactive Today), but in the greater scheme of things, you definitely have to consider how likely it is that one of them is scum. Miller is one of the greatest things you can claim, it doesn't give the cop any incentive to investigate you anymore, since you're miller anyway.

So what it seems to me, there are 2 likely scenario's:
1: T-block doesn't want to be investigated and claims miller. He is scum and took the risk of getting counterclaimed and then brushing it off as just having 2 millers, because if he calls RR out and he gets lynched, T-block is next in line.

2: Red Ryu is on a suicide mission to get T-block lynched before him. This doesn't seem very likely, but RR grasping at things like length of the claim did not help him on his side of the story AT ALL.

3: Unlikely, we have 2 millers and 2-3 scum and we'd have a cop that's half useless.

I can think of at least two other scenarios where they are both town although I'm not sure if I should say them incase they're true and I ruin something for either of them.

For now, they're both town in my eyes.

 

[Rajam]

Ugh, this should be fun. I'm a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways. I am a miller.

vote: Rajam

I can't remember the last time he was helpful for town... totally fine with this lynch.

vote: T-block

Super Mario RPG...? Anyways, this post seems like you had the urge to gain town points by creating a quick disconnection with me more than anything; I don't care if it was during RVS stage; my point stands.

 

[T-block]

vote: T-block

Super Mario RPG...? Anyways, this post seems like you had the urge to gain town points by creating a quick disconnection with me more than anything; I don't care if it was during RVS stage; my point stands.

Hahaha if you think you were helpful to town in SMRPG you severely need to be disillusioned.

How would disconnecting from you gain me town points? What is your "point" that supposedly stands?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What do people want from me about the claim exactly? My role name is ex-criminal worker.

I don't think this adds up with the information he's given us about his claim earlier - it looks like an attempt to satisfy the idea that a short role name is more likely used by the mod than a long one [a discussion I know T-Block has lurked out because I saw him visit the thread without posting]. In post #30 he gives us the hint that there's more to his role than just his miller status but the flavor, his role name and his role description don't match with these claims. Not all information needed has been included yet in my book. Why claim to be "a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways" when you could simply claim what you actually are? Claiming to be an "ex-criminal worker" would've given us the same information but sounds like an actual role name - you wouldn't bother to clarify this before you were called out on it, eh? ... incidentally, illegal immigrant as miller makes perfect sense whereas "ex-criminal XY" sounds like something anybody can safely tailor as a fake-claim in like ... any game ever.

 

[Rajam]

T-block claiming immedeately wouldn't be the first time. I've seen him claim his role in his first post in a game in the Disco Room. He claimed the role he actually had, so for now I see no reason to not believe that T-block actually is a miller.
It's a positive thing for all of us, so we don't mislynch him accidently while he's not around, and it stirs up discussion.

If town, good intent and I see no reason to view this as bad play.
If scum, it would just be attracting unnecessary attention to you. Granted, T-block can 100% handle random pressure from RVS if he's scum, but eh, still.

T-block, your No Lynch idea on the other hand is silly. I AM GOING TO LYNCH LURKERS D1 MOTHER*******

Come up with better theories than No-Lynching just because of a mod's fluff post, T-block!

Vote: mentosman8

Bland content, and picking the easy route of pursuing inactives. Also, if T-block ends up as town I would seriously look at this post as a tell: Using a post just for early-siding with general-consensus town, since there is no scumhunt here. Anyways, this is still bland content so...

unvote
vote: Jim Morrison

 

[Jim Morrison]

You'd call my pursuing of inactives a scum read?

Gee, sure is easy to side with the general consensus of you agree with what others think of something and time zones screw you over so you can't respond as soon as something gets posted.
I had 14 days left before a deadline. I am not in a tremendous hurry to scumhunt in my second post, so sorry for not asking the cutting-edge questions and looking at the unorthodox targets every (my first) posts!

Keep going, Rajam.


I hope you're still catching up because if this vote is seriously the one you're keeping after some 8 pages of not bad discussion (2 claims), then I'm going to have to agree with T-block and call you useless for town.

 

[Asdioh]

I hope you're still catching up

This. Voting someone for an RVS vote? Rajam, what the hell are you doing?

Gheb's reasoning actually makes a lot of sense.

unvote
Vote: Rajam

@mod: request votecount

 

[T-block]

I don't think this adds up with the information he's given us about his claim earlier - it looks like an attempt to satisfy the idea that a short role name is more likely used by the mod than a long one [a discussion I know T-Block has lurked out because I saw him visit the thread without posting].

Uhh... I gave a short name because - guess what - RR is right that my role name is not actually "worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways". Go figure.

I lurked because I was viewing on my phone. I even said that I was running around doing things, and I was briefly catching up during car rides.

In post #30 he gives us the hint that there's more to his role than just his miller status but the flavor, his role name and his role description don't match with these claims.

You don't know what kind of roles there are in this game. How can you possibly discern that I don't have more to my role from what I claimed?

That was rhetorical - don't answer that.

Not all information needed has been included yet in my book. Why claim to be "a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways" when you could simply claim what you actually are? Claiming to be an "ex-criminal worker" would've given us the same information but sounds like an actual role name - you wouldn't bother to clarify this before you were called out on it, eh?

Because it's how I felt like claiming at the time. I thought people would ask for more explanation from "ex-criminal worker" anyways, so I provided it pre-emptively. I actually didn't even realize I didn't have the actual role name in my first post until people started making a big deal out of it.

... incidentally, illegal immigrant as miller makes perfect sense whereas "ex-criminal XY" sounds like something anybody can safely tailor as a fake-claim in like ... any game ever.

Yeah well... if you're going to argue likelihood of flavour I'm going to tell you to spend your time and effort doing something more worthwhile. So how about you move your vote from me to Rajam? ^^

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't think T-Block's claim can be trusted anymore.

Vote T-Block

Yeeea, after last night I was like :|... TBlock's looking off... And I'm liking where this line of thought is.

Unvote Vote: TBlock

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

To elaborate: When I read TBlock's strings of posts last night where I ended it with voting Rajam, he seemed too on his toes, making sure not to slip up. I'll go back a page and justify this right now, but yea.

 

[Jim Morrison]

To elaborate: When I read TBlock's strings of posts last night where I ended it with voting Rajam, he seemed too on his toes, making sure not to slip up. I'll go back a page and justify this right now, but yea.

This is kind of a non-argument, because anyone is on his toes when he's put on blast. No one wants to get lynched. Waiting to see what you'll pick out though!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yes, I am explicitly informed of my miller-ness.



Cool, a new face. Hello ^_^

Could you tell me about your previous mafia experience? If anyone else wants to offer information on this topic that'd be cool.

Whether he's known that mentos is a long time vet here or not, he seems too casual for my tastes in this post, and just seems like he's try'na possibly be more inviting to mentos than what one should be...

I've missed you, July =P



Call it a policy lynch if you want, sure. I put my vote on whomever I most wanted dead at the time.



Stated earlier, I'm informed.

This post was the kicker. He starts off by having his too casual tone again with that first line, which bugged me... But then his explanation for his vote on Rajam is just like what the eff... Saying that he's annoyed by Rajam's catch up style of play would've been cool (cuz that's why I'd be cool with his lynch tbh), but he makes it sound a lot more cushioned... And then the last line... like why is that even there?

All of that, along with the fact that he takes a totally different tone with Kantrip who has been called out by multiple people as annoying or in need of toning down, is just too off to ignore.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

This is kind of a non-argument, because anyone is on his toes when he's put on blast. No one wants to get lynched. Waiting to see what you'll pick out though!

The thing is, the only person really putting em in a hot seat at that time is Ruy, and people were moreso disproving Ruy than going along with his train of thought. Personally, I saw minimal pressure on TBlock.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

vote: T-block

Super Mario RPG...? Anyways, this post seems like you had the urge to gain town points by creating a quick disconnection with me more than anything; I don't care if it was during RVS stage; my point stands.

This is silly.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't think this adds up with the information he's given us about his claim earlier - it looks like an attempt to satisfy the idea that a short role name is more likely used by the mod than a long one [a discussion I know T-Block has lurked out because I saw him visit the thread without posting]. In post #30 he gives us the hint that there's more to his role than just his miller status but the flavor, his role name and his role description don't match with these claims. Not all information needed has been included yet in my book. Why claim to be "a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways" when you could simply claim what you actually are? Claiming to be an "ex-criminal worker" would've given us the same information but sounds like an actual role name - you wouldn't bother to clarify this before you were called out on it, eh? ... incidentally, illegal immigrant as miller makes perfect sense whereas "ex-criminal XY" sounds like something anybody can safely tailor as a fake-claim in like ... any game ever.

Oh and I like this line of thought as well, didn't really even think about double checking with his claim.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Bland content, and picking the easy route of pursuing inactives. Also, if T-block ends up as town I would seriously look at this post as a tell: Using a post just for early-siding with general-consensus town, since there is no scumhunt here. Anyways, this is still bland content so...

unvote
vote: Jim Morrison

This is silly.

 

[Asdioh]

Gorf, are you sure you prefer your vote on TB over Rajam? The quotes you pulled from Rajam are scummier than anything you're saying about Tblock, to me. I still think TB's town.

Red Ruy, where'd you go? What are your current thoughts on T-block and Rajam?

 

[T-block]

To elaborate: When I read TBlock's strings of posts last night where I ended it with voting Rajam, he seemed too on his toes, making sure not to slip up. I'll go back a page and justify this right now, but yea.

There is no substance to this lol

Does this really warrant your vote over Rajam?

 

[Kantrip]

Gorf, you are reaching.

Rajam, I want someone to deflate you like a balloon as badly as I want to be deflated. If you're town, cut the act. Place your vote somewhere relevant based on things that are actually happening.

Asdioh, T-block's role name sure sounds like a mafia traitor, eh?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm going out too get food, this has my full attention when I get back.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf, are you sure you prefer your vote on TB over Rajam? The quotes you pulled from Rajam are scummier than anything you're saying about Tblock, to me. I still think TB's town.

Red Ruy, where'd you go? What are your current thoughts on T-block and Rajam?

I mean im cool with rajam and do this hes scummy in some ways, but rajam being ******** is just a rajam tell... like your qualms with Kantrip. If rajams up for the noose then im down. But im more concerned with looking into tblock scum.

Obtw funny not bringing up my post where I... substantiate, TBlock.

 

[T-block]

Sorry.

Whether he's known that mentos is a long time vet here or not, he seems too casual for my tastes in this post, and just seems like he's try'na possibly be more inviting to mentos than what one should be...



This post was the kicker. He starts off by having his too casual tone again with that first line, which bugged me... But then his explanation for his vote on Rajam is just like what the eff... Saying that he's annoyed by Rajam's catch up style of play would've been cool (cuz that's why I'd be cool with his lynch tbh), but he makes it sound a lot more cushioned... And then the last line... like why is that even there?

All of that, along with the fact that he takes a totally different tone with Kantrip who has been called out by multiple people as annoying or in need of toning down, is just too off to ignore.

There is no substance to this lol.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/substance

Oh I thought this was substance how silly of me.

 

[mentosman8]

*ignores vote placed on me as "inactive" within the first couple days of D1*

mentos, what do you think of that interpretation? Is it fair to say RR and TB aren't a scumteam based off this interaction/CC? Why or why not?

I think your interpretation was bad. Even during the RVS people don't just claim stuff for the sake of claiming it, it looks bad and when you admit it's a lie it's not very likely you're going to live. Whether one of their claims is fake for one reason or another(incidentally, Ruy's is more believable simply because it's never worth a 1/1 swap to mafia unless it wins them the game) is yet to be seen, but the chances of them both being fake are very low. I'm not sure about them not being a scumteam just yet, but the only way your interpretation with them both being fake makes sense is if they are a scumteam.

You're right Gorf, but calling me out on it now will do nothing for the read I'm trying to get on July. I think you are town thus far, but try not to cal contradictions when they're not scummy contradictions. Unless you think it is a scummy contradiction. In which case, feel free to elaborate.

July and Sokr are scum so far
Gorf, T-block, and Red Ryu are town so far.
Everyone else is null.

Oh god I facepalmed so hard at this post. The paragraph? It sounds like you're telling Gorf not to bother questioning things that he doesn't think seem right. In mafia you don't just sit back and not call out odd things. Even if it doesn't seem scummy at first glance, upon questioning you can begin to see it as such. That is horrible advice to be giving.

And then, you post a readlist? Dude, it was maybe a full RL day into D1, and you're already doing this? First of all, readlists are not beneficial to town. It's more helpful to scum if everyone's putting out all their reads all the time than it is to town. But besides that, there should be no reason to be confident in reads based off of, in the case of July, 1 post, in the case of the others less than a day of posting. Reading that made me sad.

Really? A reaction vote?

Pathetic, good sir.

Here is a challenge for you, Sokr: Go find July's big post. Quote off each portion of it individually and show me a good ol' analysis of that post. What I want to see in each segment is you telling me concisely what she did, and what you think she could get as a result of what she did. Then tell me for that segment if you think it is pro or anti town.

If you can do this for the entire point, I will lay off you for a bit and I will get a better read on you (as I'm sure you want, right? You don't want this scumread no matter WHAT alignment you are). Deal?

Why would you tell someone to do this? Not only would it be something not really worth reading, but the post you're asking him to analyze isn't really worth a full analysis post that responds to it all. In fact the problem I have with the initial post was that it was responding to far more than necessary. This just sounds to me like an attempt to make him waste a bunch of time when there's not gonna be a lot to say anyway.

What I want July to do is show me she can change this scumminess I see. Telling her what it is would defeat the purpose. I want her to stop the scumminess of her own accord.

I always hate this logic. "If I tell you why I think you're scummy it's ineffective." You also can't get defenses and hear their arguments about intentions you may be mis-attributing, which leads you into tunneling. If you're going to call someone scum, you should be able and willing to explain the reasons you find them scummy otherwise it looks like you're calling people scum without enough to back it up, which I don't like.

Yes, I am explicitly informed of my miller-ness.



Cool, a new face. Hello ^_^

Could you tell me about your previous mafia experience? If anyone else wants to offer information on this topic that'd be cool.

It was already said but I've been playing here a long time. I'm not going to go into describing my own meta and such, it's a waste of time and there are enough people here familiar with me.

Hola

ok guys, here's the deal: I'm clearly the best player in this game, so, I'll offer a limited opportunity to the first three players that say me! (bolded); these players will hold hands with me so we can **** scum together.

Remember, only the first three

OMG this post. If I could punch people through the internet, you would have just gotten a face full of fist XD The whole, holding hands thing is stupid. No one has any reason to trust you, there is no reason for you to trust others, and it just screams of an excuse to not do things yourself for a while and have a fallback if you get called on things you're trying to do. DO NOT LIEK!

Well that turned out longer than expected. Still trying to figure out my opinion on RR/Tblock and if there's a fakeclaim there or if we've got two millers. Not sure where I want to go with that.

It may just be unfamiliarity with his play, but Kantrip is really rubbing me the wrong way so far. The ridiculous amounts of posts, the things he's saying, they just aren't coming off as townie to me.

Rajam no me likey cuz of the whole hold my hand thing.

Other than that, party?

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, T-block's role name sure sounds like a mafia traitor, eh?

it's too soon for such speculation!


Gorf, I have to agree with TB. Being "too casual" is a pretty weak argument. (besides, it's usually a towntell)


T-block, do you have any scumreads? Defending your claim is good and all, but I don't remember your thoughts on players. A votecount might help me remember..