Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's kind of weird that the start of game flavour shows no pressing need to expose evil or anything. And with an even number of players, it's almost as if the mod is pointing us to No Lynch. Thoughts?

What do we gain from this that a lynch would not?

This isn't Epic mafia, we're not scrubs who rely on PRs.

 

[Asdioh]

Here I was, thinking "Unless T-block is scum with information confirming there is no miller, then he's town. Otherwise, he wouldn't risk a counterclaim."

Then suddenly, Red Ruy.

@T-block: to be clear, does your PM explicitly tell you you're a miller?

T-block claiming immedeately wouldn't be the first time. I've seen him claim his role in his first post in a game in the Disco Room. He claimed the role he actually had, so for now I see no reason to not believe that T-block actually is a miller.

Was he town in that game? And why do you believe RR over TB?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Woah O_O...

Yea giants v packers i aint really gonna say much till later.

 

[Asdioh]

Show me a single game where the mod makes a role flavor, even more so when Rockin admitted he did this for last minute flavor this long. Not even Xiivi or Glyph do this.

Are you saying the flavor doesn't match up with the claim? Otherwise, I don't understand what you're getting at here.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Really odd, yeah. Everything is made out to be peaceful and there seems not to be any problems. Of course, whether or not anyone believes the mod is pointing us to a No Lynch, I disagree with the notion. We have mod-confirmed information there is a mafia faction and there is no reason to waste the first Day phase on a No Lynch when first day lynches are valuable information.

Also not sure what to think about you claiming right off the bat. I remember how it went down in the DRoom. It really is anti-town, you know. Along with suggesting we eliminate one of the only good sources of information this Day can provide for us?

Vote: T-block

@Sokr: Give me your opinion of a NL

Kantrip, this is not true for Miller or rather known millers.

Claiming miller early makes it very clear that you will pop up as mafia when investigated. By informing town of such a thing, you make it clear that people should watch you play more closely.

Scum on the contrary can gambit this to appear like a pro town move.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Are you saying the flavor doesn't match up with the claim? Otherwise, I don't understand what you're getting at here.

The length of his claim.

I find it very unbelievable the mod would make it that long when he admitted he adde the flavor last minute.

Xiivi an Glyph have made some rather long word jumbles for claim, so I doubt Rockin woul do the same.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Was he town in that game? And why do you believe RR over TB?

Yes. He claimed VT and ended up being VT.

Because it doesn't sound likely that scum would trade one of their own for T-block on D1, especially if he's a miller, which is a worse role than VT.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd be okay with trading miller for scum, it's just a matter of determining who is actual scum.

Hmm, now you've talked to me about it, it's starting to get more and more WIFOM-y. Red Ruy could also make us want to use our lynch on T-block since he knows the counterclaimer doesn't get lynched first and scum gets free night kills...

I'm going to think this one out a bit more. I'd be okay with either of them at this point though.

 

[Sokr]

Wow, action this soon in the game?

Red Ryu presents a good argument and he seems much more... into the game than in Britches and Hose in which he was scum. The RR I know from Britches and Hose wouldn't risk his neck by counterclaiming this early in the game.

 

[Sokr]

Asdioh, Kantrip and July. You were in that game with me, what do you think?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes. He claimed VT and ended up being VT.

Because it doesn't sound likely that scum would trade one of their own for T-block on D1, especially if he's a miller, which is a worse role than VT.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd be okay with trading miller for scum, it's just a matter of determining who is actual scum.

Hmm, now you've talked to me about it, it's starting to get more and more WIFOM-y. Red Ruy could also make us want to use our lynch on T-block since he knows the counterclaimer doesn't get lynched first and scum gets free night kills...

I'm going to think this one out a bit more. I'd be okay with either of them at this point though.

Wait what?

Where has this been established? It is based on play of the two players on believability and likelihood of being town.

Not on order.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Well, since it's so early in game, there's literally nothing to go off. The order of your claims is the only thing that gives me reads on who could be town or scum. And since that's also a lot of WIFOM, the whole claiming situation could go either way for me.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say :s

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow, action this soon in the game?

Red Ryu presents a good argument and he seems much more... into the game than in Britches and Hose in which he was scum. The RR I know from Britches and Hose wouldn't risk his neck by counterclaiming this early in the game.

Why do you favor me over T-Block when he hasn't responded yet? Please do no include meta as a reasoning.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well, since it's so early in game, there's literally nothing to go off. The order of your claims is the only thing that gives me reads on who could be town or scum. And since that's also a lot of WIFOM, the whole claiming situation could go either way for me.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say :s

I think I do, now then is meta the reason you suspect T-Block?

If so, what do you think of my analysis of claiming a miller?

@Asdioh: Your thoughts so far on this situation? Like my reasoning for a start?

 

[Sokr]

Why do you favor me over T-Block when he hasn't responded yet? Please do no include meta as a reasoning.

I'm not favoring you. I'm just thinking aloud as town should do in order to collaborate thoughts. Don't worry, I'm not gonna confirm scum reads off one post.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I think I do, now then is meta the reason you suspect T-Block?

If so, what do you think of my analysis of claiming a miller?

@Asdioh: Your thoughts so far on this situation? Like my reasoning for a start?

Well, I suspected T-block first because I didn't really question myself, I just thought it'd be a good idea to lynch him and if he's not scum, we lynch you. But then, we lose 2 townies through night kills and 1 from a mislynch.

So I started doubting it and now it's a toss-up and I'm just waiting for you and T-block to pop off so I can get reads on either one of you!

 

[T-block]

On the go ATM

how was the flavor I have any more elaborate than illegal immigrant?

Why can there only be one miller in the game?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Why can there only be one miller in the game?

One is lame enough, two is just plain ****ing dumb and I'd be pretty mad at set-up anyway.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The length of his claim.

I find it very unbelievable the mod would make it that long when he admitted he adde the flavor last minute.

Xiivi an Glyph have made some rather long word jumbles for claim, so I doubt Rockin woul do the same.

Well as far as this goes, I gotta say that the summary for my flavour is (kinda sorta) lenghty, like a long paragraph's worth I believe. I thought you were going more for the NL hinting, but how is this even an argument?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think Ryu's reasoning for mistrusting T-Block's claim based on flavor is reaching. Considering T-Block was able to summarize the whole flavor aspect of his role in one single line I don't see why Rockin shouldn't be able to do the same. My role also has a fair bit of flavor to it and flavor has always been a prominent gimmick in Rockin's game - even though it never actually affected the game he'd take great care of it. It doesn't seem that far off at all.

Two Millers is not completely out of the question either even though I never actually saw that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, OP doesn't confirm the absence of a survivor. If there's a survivor out there he should claim asap and cooperate with the town.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I think Ryu's reasoning for mistrusting T-Block's claim based on flavor is reaching. Considering T-Block was able to summarize the whole flavor aspect of his role in one single line I don't see why Rockin shouldn't be able to do the same. My role also has a fair bit of flavor to it and flavor has always been a prominent gimmick in Rockin's game - even though it never actually affected the game he'd take great care of it. It doesn't seem that far off at all.

I hurr that.

I already kind of waved away that argument, since my role also got a quick 2-3 line description, in the same manner T-block gave his. It's quite a reach on RR's part.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yes. He claimed VT and ended up being VT.

Because it doesn't sound likely that scum would trade one of their own for T-block on D1, especially if he's a miller, which is a worse role than VT.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd be okay with trading miller for scum, it's just a matter of determining who is actual scum.

Hmm, now you've talked to me about it, it's starting to get more and more WIFOM-y. Red Ruy could also make us want to use our lynch on T-block since he knows the counterclaimer doesn't get lynched first and scum gets free night kills...

I'm going to think this one out a bit more. I'd be okay with either of them at this point though.

These were the my thoughts, actually, when I saw the CC. The fact of the matter is that there's nothing necessarily BAD about what either of em did. If they're both telling the truth then... okay?... But yea this is pre' awk...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

On the go ATM

how was the flavor I have any more elaborate than illegal immigrant?

Why can there only be one miller in the game?

Your role name is a paragraph. Not small and simpler like mine is.

Two millers? Show me a non Epic mafia game with that. Even more so as a closed set-up. That is true **** modding to put multiple millers in a set-up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think Ryu's reasoning for mistrusting T-Block's claim based on flavor is reaching. Considering T-Block was able to summarize the whole flavor aspect of his role in one single line I don't see why Rockin shouldn't be able to do the same. My role also has a fair bit of flavor to it and flavor has always been a prominent gimmick in Rockin's game - even though it never actually affected the game he'd take great care of it. It doesn't seem that far off at all.

Two Millers is not completely out of the question either even though I never actually saw that.

I'm talking about the name, not the description which we can't see, his is a full sentence of words.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Your role name is a paragraph. Not small and simpler like mine is.

And because yours is small and simple it's also supposed to be more believable? I don't really see how that's the case

Two millers? Show me a non Epic mafia game with that. Even more so as a closed set-up. That is true **** modding to put multiple millers in a set-up.

No it's not. Two millers - while unorthodox - is certainly a viable option under the right circumstances. I'm a bit shocked that you're immediately excluding options for no good reason when everything should always be considered. You say that it's not worth assuming that there are two millers in this game. I say it's not worth assuming that one of you two must be lying and that you're the one telling the truth given the arguments I've seen so far.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

No it's not, he named what his person is (ex-con) and how he got into the store (the fact that he got into trouble and that he wouldn't usually be offered a job, but that walgreens is giving him a second chance). It seems pre' easy to distinguish.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

And that was definitely @Ruy and not @GBizzle.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think we shouldn't hint at too much before T-Block explains stuff.

@T-Block

What exactly did you claim? Be thorough, considering you shouldn't have anything to lose or hide.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Is T-Block just a Worker? As in, the rest of it is just from his description? I was assuming the whole thing was his role name.

Also wouldn't double miller result in a guaranteed mislynch? From a mod perspective, I've seen people lynch a cop on the premace there weren't two cops in a set-up when that happened to actually be the case. In addition to this, I have trouble seeing how a double miller could work in a twelve man.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I mean, it is unlikely, don't get me wrong. I just think we shouldn't exclude the option right away but I'd rather hear some explanations from T-Block.

 

[Asdioh]

The length of his claim.

I find it very unbelievable the mod would make it that long when he admitted he adde the flavor last minute.

Xiivi an Glyph have made some rather long word jumbles for claim, so I doubt Rockin woul do the same.

This is... really weak.

Why can there only be one miller in the game?

Having two millers didn't even cross my mind. At first I was like "hell no" but then I realized that if you're both informed, it might be possible... since the thing about millers is that they normally don't know they're millers.
But still, I think something else is going on here.

Asdioh, Kantrip and July. You were in that game with me, what do you think?

I'll get to this later. I want to see more from TB and RR.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think you can make an accurate judgment on whether Ryu's point is weak or not before T-Block elaborates. He was watching this thread a couple of minutes ago without responding though

 

[mentosman8]

Not much to say that hasn't already been said. Agreed waiting for T-block to come back and elaborate but other than that, meh. Oh also

The male stockman smiled. "Yes, there should be some in the back."

Of course it's a male stockman with some in the back :trollface:

 

[July]

Ugh, this should be fun. I'm a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways. I am a miller.

vote: Rajam

I can't remember the last time he was helpful for town... totally fine with this lynch.

I'm not seeing scum intent behind claiming miller immediately. However, I would like clarification on your vote; does your vote mean you think that Rajam would make a good D1 policy lynch?

It's kind of weird that the start of game flavour shows no pressing need to expose evil or anything. And with an even number of players, it's almost as if the mod is pointing us to No Lynch. Thoughts?

That's true that the starting flavor doesn't have any real antagonism, but that is not enough to say that the mod is pointing us toward a No Lynch, especially when I don't see how it could benefit us or how the mod would make it so a no lynch toDay would benefit us.

Really odd, yeah. Everything is made out to be peaceful and there seems not to be any problems. Of course, whether or not anyone believes the mod is pointing us to a No Lynch, I disagree with the notion. We have mod-confirmed information there is a mafia faction and there is no reason to waste the first Day phase on a No Lynch when first day lynches are valuable information.

Also not sure what to think about you claiming right off the bat. I remember how it went down in the DRoom. It really is anti-town, you know. Along with suggesting we eliminate one of the only good sources of information this Day can provide for us?

Vote: T-block

@Sokr: Give me your opinion of a NL

Are you saying that claiming right off the bat in general is anti-town, or that claiming miller right off the bat is anti-town? Either way, what scummy motives do you think T-Block could have had with claiming miller?

Why is this so funny to me?


These are the most doing-stuff first two posts of a game I've seen in a while. Not sure what to think of claiming Miller ASAP. It's a good thing to do if you are a miller, or a ballsy thing to do if you're scum. No Lynching, however, is a dumb idea, and that would be even ballsier to suggest as scum. I think you have balls, but not that many.

Vote: July
inb4 walls of ketchup


@Kantrip: What do you think of my analysis of T-block? What are the chances of scum suggesting no lynching and immediately claiming miller?

I pretty much agree with that, and I like that T-Block came into the game pretty open and proposed the No Lynch idea even though he's taken some flack for it. I feel like something similar happened in TT and he was town there, so right now he's okay with me.

Is your vote on me to try and keep me from writing long catch-up posts, or because you are also suspicious of me?

Vote: T-Block

I'm the Illegal immigrant working in Walgreen's, I'm a miller.

Question for both T-Block and RR: Are you informed that you are the miller, or are you uninformed and just assuming based on your flavor?

The length of his claim.

I find it very unbelievable the mod would make it that long when he admitted he adde the flavor last minute.

Xiivi an Glyph have made some rather long word jumbles for claim, so I doubt Rockin woul do the same.

I don't agree with this. Anyways, how important is that to your vote on T-Block, and how much is it based on your own claim and the improbability of two millers?

Wow, action this soon in the game?

Red Ryu presents a good argument and he seems much more... into the game than in Britches and Hose in which he was scum. The RR I know from Britches and Hose wouldn't risk his neck by counterclaiming this early in the game.

Asdioh, Kantrip and July. You were in that game with me, what do you think?

I'm honestly not sure who to believe between RR and T-Block. I don't think it's probable that there are two millers, but I also see town intent behind both claims. I do agree that RR has been much more involved than he was in Britches and Hose, but I've played in other games with him where he was scum and not so reserved so I'm taking that as a null tell. I really want to hear from them if they are informed/uniformed, but atm I don't like RR's reasoning that T-Block's claim is too wordy to validate why his vote is on T-Block.

And because yours is small and simple it's also supposed to be more believable? I don't really see how that's the case



No it's not. Two millers - while unorthodox - is certainly a viable option under the right circumstances. I'm a bit shocked that you're immediately excluding options for no good reason when everything should always be considered. You say that it's not worth assuming that there are two millers in this game. I say it's not worth assuming that one of you two must be lying and that you're the one telling the truth given the arguments I've seen so far.

I absolutely agree with this. I have more to say on this but I do want to see a bit more of T-Block's response to RR and to everyone's speculation on his claim/RR's claim first.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Is your vote on me to try and keep me from writing long catch-up posts, or because you are also suspicious of me?

July pretty pretty pretty PRETTY PLEASE don't make every post you make a wall, because I had to motivate myself a shizload to read through this >:|

 

[Asdioh]

Pretty much what Gorf said. I always have trouble reading your alignment partly because I just glaze over when trying to read your posts.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh I didn't know he was claiming miller status. It seemed to me like he was claiming his ROLE was miller. Which to me means "Vanilla Townie that comes up guilty".

That would be anti-town.

Claiming to have miller status is fine, and it's something T-block would do to stir action.

Unvote

Sokr, tell me why you are asking other people about something you already came to your own conclusion about. Are you trying to get manipulated? Are their answers going to affect yours?

 

[Kantrip]

Also if you want my honest opinion, Red Ryu's claim is fake.

I think T-block's is too, but that's another story. This looks like some RvS shenanigans, and I don't think RR and T-block are scum together.

 

[Kantrip]

mentos, what do you think of that interpretation? Is it fair to say RR and TB aren't a scumteam based off this interaction/CC? Why or why not?

 

[Kantrip]

Crap this colour is the same as July's.

One of us is probably scum. Since she posted in only a wall so far, that's anti-town, right Gorf?

Vote: July

That wall was really scummy.