Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow okay. Yes, I realize that using the ability this early is a terrible idea. I actually side with the mentality of not using it at all in the absence of condemning evidence. I thought Kantrip was setting up for a gambit and I wanted to help him do so, and I'm still skeptical of his claim, to be honest. I would straight up not believe it if it weren't for his saying it can be used at Night, which would weaken the believability of it being used during the Day. If it's real, then fine - my true stance on the matter lies here. If it's fake, then I apologize if this ruins anything you were trying to do.





This sort of emotion looked somewhat over-the-top and staged, which along with the leading question, made me think he was setting up for a dayvig-type gambit.

I breadcrumbed JOKER in my first post addressing the role to show my true intentions.



I thought Rajam would be the ideal target because he seemed like a player likely to give a fruitful reaction to such a gambit. It also lined up well with my early play. I do think he's scummy, but nowhere near enough to advocate a sacrificial vig on him obviously.

I was sloppy in how I played this though, mostly because I thought Kantrip would have acted sooner after his claim, so action would have flowed right into some sort of reaction. Instead, nothing happened and I got stuck trying to defend a terrible idea haha.

Again I ask.

What has Rajam done to justify a scum read? I feel like this is a forced wagon on a player whom may have some activities problems. Which based on what I've seen shouldn't be a problem.

Also I amend my response to you saying use it to, ok bro.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well... He IS a scummy lookin dude I mean, just look at his contributions thus far. Would you NOT advocate a Rajam lynch based on his play so far O.o?

Nope, bro I do not think he has done scummy things.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ughhhh okay this is getting too distracting.

I'm not miller.

I do have a reason for claiming it, but I didn't expect there to be an actual miller in this game.

ITT: T-block tries to do too much and everything falls on his head

I really apologize for botching this game up so bad T.T

...Gah, my main reason for thinking you were scum is me being a miller, like what the hell man.

Tell me why you did this, reasons and all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR (and @Gheb too please answer this): What do you think of the probabilities of the next setup configurations for this game:

2 mafia
2 millers
8 town

or

2 mafia
1 indy
2 millers
7 town

?

Possible set-ups but I still think both would end in a ML of a miller, something I don't think a mod would do.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

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Vote: Asdioh

Yeah that is where I stand atm.

I think I get what T-Block was doing, I think, better not be housepets again so my question from before still stands.

 

[T-block]

okay i've cooled down and i can bear to post in this thread again

again, sorry to everyone (and mod) about my behaviour. i'll re-read and address everything after i shower.

 

[T-block]

Are you Rebecca Black?

that is actually a fascinating observation that i completely missed

wouldn't it be cute if this was a guus-rajam scum team slip? is it just coincidence that his words happened to align with rajam's antics in a game he wasn't in?

 

[T-block]

T-Block, can you explain those bolded reads more? In particular, you seem to have aa as more townie than guus (Jim Morrison?) and guus more townie than mentos. Why is aa the towniest of all of them?

i came off with a good impression of aa when he was asking questions in the posts around the evening of the 17th. i saw independent thought, and felt he was really trying to figure things out for himself.

jim was over mentos mostly because of activity. there's no reason to give mentos town points for his numbers analysis - it's trivial for anyone, even scum, to churn that out and post it. looking back, mentos should really be null instead of leaning town. jim's been a bit sheepish, but nothing alarming. admittedly, past history suggests i'm terrible at reading him, but i'm fine with leaving him leaning town for now.

counter question: do you agree with my ordering of these three? i get the impression that you think it's odd that i think aa is the towniest? if so, who of the three do you think is towniest, and why?

 

[T-block]

I mean like the whole point of all of these posts is basically to discredit whatever stuff Kantrip and T have been saying / doing, right? You've drawn the most negative conclusions possible in every single one of these posts with no attempt to actually give some CONSTRUCTIVE input at all. That's why there's NO WAY other than T-Block being indy to justify his lie ... And that's why you imply so hard that discredit Kantrip's claim. And that's why you draw the conclusion that the interaction is S vs S ...

...seriously?

Two dubious claims - one admittedly fake - attracts inexperienced scum from miles away. You fell for both traps, congrats.



Agreed, Sokr has been all about giving off impressions how people should look at him being wary of things and questioning things. But the substance behind it has clear anti-town implications.

i like it ^^

 

[T-block]

Also, while T-block's actions are rather grimy, I feel very sorry for him, a lot of what Kantrip said was making me rub my eyes out of exasperation. Probably still town, but so very...urg...it's one thing to pressure a lynchable candidate, it's another to corner them and slap them with a ball of used tissues...

not even gonna comment on rajam's post, it's like he's been reading a different game where he's the most active and best player

i mean, he asks about two configurations with 2 millers in them, then later in the SAME POST says it's unlikely there are 2 millers in the game >_<

can we get some updated reads from you?

what does the interaction tell you about kantrip? i don't think you've said, if i'm not mistaken.

 

[T-block]

There were definite risks from the get-go and scenarios existed, including the one that happened, that you would get no reward. You didn't accomplish your original goal and it caused a lot of issues for RR and could have been even more problematic: if you weren't under any heat and RR took all the pressure instead and really is the miller, would you have ever revoked your miller claim, or just let him go down? That's a hypothetical question but once again it raises questions about your intentions and whether self-preservation was the only thing on your mind or whether you would have revoked your claim whenever it was best for town, even if it compromised the goal of your gambit.

this is a legitimate thought. yes, i would have. i mean... i could point to the post where i admitted that i wasn't miller and have you note that my reasoning for coming out was that the situation was becoming too distracting, for what that's worth.

 

[T-block]

nobody thinks this post is suspicious? i thought it was as legit slip at first, and i'm still wary of his explanation. is everyone okay with his explanation then? (given in 345 fyi).

vote: T-block

Super Mario RPG...? Anyways, this post seems like you had the urge to gain town points by creating a quick disconnection with me more than anything; I don't care if it was during RVS stage; my point stands.

anyways, i think rajam's catchup is faked:

Could you too elaborate on how, up to that point (post 173), I moved from useless-policy lynch to scummy? In your first post you introduced me as useless and a good policy lynch, but in this post is the first time I see you now shifting from useless to scummy, without any explanation of why that shift. Explanations?

Also, just saw Kantrip's claim. If you're gonna commit suicide, take T-block with you. Question though: If you commit suicide will the Day Phase end?

this question placed in a catchup does not sit well with me at all. looks like he's asking it to be seen asking it (he later gives town reads to asdioh and mentos for doing a similar thing, which is silly in itself, but that's another story).

Regarding T-block again, it doesn't fit me that he didn't react voting RR when RR cclaimed him, instead he left his vote on me when I had to yet make my first post. T-block said later his vote is always on the person who he wants dead the most, so, and due to the lack of responses from T-block against RR at the very beginning, I'll have to assume T-block tried to avoid the issue as much as possible

The whole issue of two millers is unlikely imo and I think we should lynch one of them toDay. I have already a point against T-block meanwhile I don't have anything really against RR; also, you may call it OMGUS but T-block having me and Kantrip as top-priority lynch candidates is another point against him

unvote
vote: T-block

All the other players are null.

mmm you already had a scum pick by this post, so, why didn't you vote? a vote count was just previous to this post so it's not like you couldn't know if Sokr was in risk of dying or not

first post shows he voted without any indication of having checked whether his vote would hammer. if he's already checked, he's read ahead, and then questions like asking whether kantrip's claim ends the Day are definitely faked. if he hasn't checked, then either he didn't think to check or he has someone telling him.

that he has someone telling him is a bit of a reach. second post, however, shows that he IS actively thinking about whether placing a vote would hammer, meaning the possibility that he hasn't checked is unlikely. i think we can conclude from this that he is at least skimming to the end of the thread during his catchup. that brings me, then, to the question: what is his motivation for asking whether kantrip's ability would end that Day, when it's very likely he already knew?

 

[T-block]

and there are a bunch of little things (logical holes) that i dislike about kantrip's push, but this is the one that bothers me the most:

I must ask you, though, why did you crumb that? Why would you crumb "JOKER"? What "true intentions" were you trying to show, and why did you feel the need to crumb them? I'm sorry but this kind of foreplanning is very scummy. I see no reason for town to be crumbing things in advance just so they can help out with someone else's gambit. You're just being meticulous at this point.

It's not "even with the crumb". For me, the crumb adds to it. You were being very careful and you had a lot of back-doors that I don't honestly see you setting up as town. If you disagree I'm sorry, but this has roots in a meta environment where I don't see you being so meticulous as town.

it starts off as town (note: town in general) having no reason to be crumbing things in advance as i did. however, when confronted (including an example of him doing the same thing), it turns into a meta argument (note: specific to me). THIS is backpedaling. the reasoning was never there to begin with.

 

[T-block]

july, this might be a better post to perhaps show that i wouldn't have let RR come under too much pressure on account of my claim

and this is why i chose to come clean. with multiple people expressing this thought, the whole situation was becoming too distracting to be worth it

this is addressing asdioh, who was looking into RR as much as he was looking into me i believe. also, as soon as RR cc'd, i tried to dismiss it as possibly having two millers and tried to move on right away (unsuccessfully unfortunately).

anyways, i realize you're not going to be able to believe me 100% on this, but i think i've been showing my intentions since the beginning.

also, on my re-read i noticed jim has been sheeping a lot more than i remember him doing. definitely would like to see him be more pro-active, as he always seems to give the "easy" read

 

[T-block]

See, I don't see why people want to go at him for this as a policy Lynch.

I wanna reread Super Mario RPG actually, I remember a post similar to this.



Helpful maybe not, but he nailed the entire scum team on day 1.

to be honest, i picked him first because i wanted to see if he would OMGUS literally everyone who voted him again, because that was hilarious lol. his first posts did not make me feel good about him at all though.

he may have had the entire scum team in his reads, but he literally had them there in a massive OMGUS reaction to people voting him for continuing RVS well past its due. ie- for all the wrong reasons. i don't recall him doing anything fantastic in the rest of the game either - we lost that game because hilt somehow managed to redirect to kills back onto us lol

 

[T-block]

Yes, yes it does.

Should I say Policy lynch T-Block being serious every game because I am paranoid of you being scum each game?

Should I policy lynch all the vets who want me policy lynched D1?

No, give me an in game reason or this has not substance to it.

o.o

we were talking about his response to the proposal of a policy lynch. going against someone for a response they gave in-game can no longer be labelled as "policy"

read my most recent post on rajam and give me your updated thoughts on the slot please

 

[T-block]

...Gah, my main reason for thinking you were scum is me being a miller, like what the hell man.

Tell me why you did this, reasons and all.

i'm going to assume this is before you were fully caught up

once you are fully caught up, if you have any questions on the matter, hit me

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Read the last page thinking "Wow, Adventure Time Mafia got a **** load of posts. They're talking about **** and I have no idea what's going on." Then I realized this was the wrong game.

C'est la vie.

 

[Jim Morrison]

also, on my re-read i noticed jim has been sheeping a lot more than i remember him doing. definitely would like to see him be more pro-active, as he always seems to give the "easy" read

Explanation on this: It feels like arguing with Socrates. Even though what I might have thought seemed legit to me, what others (Socrates) are saying is a lot more logical and I am inclined to believe them over myself, inexpierenced as I am ;x.

I think it's time to give an update on my reads then:

1. Red_Ryu - Since T-block unclaimed miller and RR is now standing as miller, he can be read as town. Except he really has to catch up and not be a Rajam and lag-post. Would not lynch
2. Rajam - **** this guy. I would've already been fine with just policy lynching him (deal with it), but T-block's #412's last paragraph raised a good point. High lynch target
3. Sokr - Don't wanna clog up my reads list like I did with John in Housepets. But next post I'll explain my vote on Sokr. Would lynch hard
4. mentosman8 - Mentos has less posts than the game mod and this is obviously bad. He has never voted, but he hasn't done outright scummy things. Then again, with only 7 posts, one confirming, it's not hard to slip up. Mentos please post more, even though I respect you're having some issues to deal with atm. If you can't, you could always replace out. Would lynch if he was the only play
5. Jim Morrison - Love this guy. Would sleep with
6. adisoh - Aidohs, you have a weird way of being all over the place. If you ask me "Who has Asidoh been suspicious of in this game", I'd have no clue. First you believe RR and then T-block then move on, try to steer discussion away from it, bring it back to it, say you're doing a re-read but then we hear nothing of this. Aodhsi, take your time and focus more and follow your own opinions. Maybe it's time you could give me a list with your reads (not as extensive as mine, but just some)? Who would you follow to pressure right now?
7. T-block
8. Gheb_01
9. Gorf
10. AsianAussie
11. Kantrip
12. July

I have to go right now, sorry, can't finish it, I'll be back tonight and finish it.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I apologize for the incoming wall, I just SOKR will finally start paying attention to people suspicious of him.

First, back to Gheb's #354, which I agreed with. I didn't think Sokr was all too terrible yet, but what harm can voting him do? It's just pressure. But T-block would be kind enough to call me out on sheeping, guess I'd add some of my own thoughts:

​

First thing that comes into mind when I think of Sokr: "Does this guy even have any reads or targets?". Let's take a second and look back at the vote counts. Sokr has made ZERO votes. Well, his only vote was an OMGUS on Kantrip, and then immedeately unvotes. He hasn't ever felt the need to put pressure on someone (voting him). I thought pressuring someone to get reads was the whole part of scumhunting? Guess you don't hunt scum anyway.

​

Then his stances: Sokr does NOT have stances. Even his first post when the Day started, ugh. "It's way too early to have an opinion". You have an opinion on no-lynch, on claims, etc. the moment you sign up for the game. You always have an opinion.

Next post (#48): He thinks Red Ryu's reasoning of the way T-block claimed was good. Did you honestly think RR had a legit point? No need to answer, because I know this was just opportunistic, judging from your #135.

One of the most striking things was the interactiong between sokr and Kantrip on #106 and #107.

Anti-town to me is somebody that tries to head of the investigations of the town and turn them on one another.

Oh so you think my posts are an attempt to stop town progress and turn it into chaos?

These posts were one minute in a row, Sokr did not magically disappear in a minute.
Kantrip asks Sokr to finally take a stance with a simple yes and no, but as soon as Sokr gets confronted, he chooses to hit the road and not answer the question immedeately. Okay, no problem, he might answer this later when he comes back? No, this question was flat out ignored, never took a stance on Kantrip.

Oh god finally Sokr will take stances!!

Alrighty. T-Block's crumb could have just been him creating a back door to use should events turn for the worse for him. Is this giving him too much credit? To little? I dunno the guy. Still hesitant about him.
I really like July's string of posts earlier, they all raised points that I, for the most part, agreed with. Town in my eyes for now.
This has probably already been said, but isn't terrorist a scum role? Maybe even indy? Kantrips flavour doesn't seem at all town to me. And then his whole reaction, seemed very staged. July said it and I think it's a good possibility considering what I know of Kantrips play, but it could all just be a gambit. I'll believe it when I see it.
Rajam's striking me as off, but I'll wait for more from him to create a read.
Gheb seems a bit withdrawn from the game. He did the same in the Newbie game I was in with him but I'm not sure if that's accurate meta. I also don't like his suggestions that Kantrip should wait to use his ability. Kantrip being a killing role is a target for scum or scum meddling.
Everyone else I don't really have anything on, or if I do, I've forgotten it. I'll re read at some point.

Man, two stances. Gheb is looking off and July is town! His Kantrip read is balls. I'm going to assume it was his highest scum read. He never followed up by asking Kantrip questions, placing his vote on him, even acknowledging him. Also, he's grasping at straws on the terrorist, even calling it an Indy role. The whole point of Indy is to survive, duh.

It could be either scummy or town, depending on the intent. The way you came out with suggesting to bomb Rajam, who was already a lynch pick, you could have been watching for who jumped behind you on that idea. You could also be hoping to get which people are more desperate to not die and somehow get something out of that (power roles maybe, as scum)

Pick one.

I wanted you to take a stance on the matter, not tell me the options.

Agreeing hard with Kantrip here. Later, Sokr says each possibility is as likely as the other. Which is stupid because you can't be null on it, always leaning one side.

#360, Kantrip asks him flat out wether he think he is scum or not. No response, would be too much of a hard stance anyway.

Last post was already adressed, seems a lot like backpedalling.

​

Remember how Gheb made good points against him? How I agreed with them? And how Sokr hasn't even acknowledged someone being suspicious of him and having 2 votes on him? I do.
Don't be silly, Sokr has obviously read it, but defending himself would put him in the spotlight and up for more questions. I honestly believe he just tried to ride it out, cast suspicion on someone else and be safe himself.

I could go on about his activity and how he's been active on smashboards but not responding to certain questions asked by Kantrip, but I don't think it's a legitimate point, just something that adds to it for me, personally.

And this is why I think my vote on Sokr is justified, and so is Gheb's!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryu, 2 millers is just statistically very unlikely. I didn't actually entertain the idea that there are 2 millers, I just said that we shouldn't completely ignore the possibility because technically it *is* possible.

 

[Rajam]

first post shows he voted without any indication of having checked whether his vote would hammer.

A quick response to this, I'll address the rest later:

That's correct, I didn't check the vote count. I couldn't care less if that vote was a hammer. I still want to see you dead toDay

 

[Sokr]

JM, that was a really good argument against me. I'm not gonna try and argue my way out of this scum read of yours, all i have is an excuse. i haven't been that interested in this game. i don't care if you take this excuse or not, I'm just putting it out there.

 

[Sokr]

Ok, so I'm re reading one player at a time. First, Red Ryu.

Why do you favor me over T-Block when he hasn't responded yet? Please do no include meta as a reasoning.

Is there a reason people are voting Rajam that isn't meta or Policy lynch?

See, I don't see why people want to go at him for this as a policy Lynch.

I'm interested in what the reason as here for this.

I can agree with this but.

Why the change from before where you offered a possibility of 2 millers?

Yes, yes it does.

Should I say Policy lynch T-Block being serious every game because I am paranoid of you being scum each game?

Should I policy lynch all the vets who want me policy lynched D1?

No, give me an in game reason or this has not substance to it.

All these posts carry a common theme. Red Ryu is town in these for me because it appears that he legitimately cares and is putting effort into making sure we don't get a mislynch and people aren't wasting there votes in dumb spots.

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Vote: Asdioh

Yeah that is where I stand atm.

I think I get what T-Block was doing, I think, better not be housepets again so my question from before still stands.

Keeping with that theme I mentioned above, RR, from what I can see, you haven't justified this vote or explained it. If I missed you doing that, please quote. If not, please explain.

 

[T-block]

A quick response to this, I'll address the rest later:

That's correct, I didn't check the vote count. I couldn't care less if that vote was a hammer. I still want to see you dead toDay

that is actually exactly the response i expected from you

you would hammer me based on not having read the whole game? i don't believe you would as town. it's just a bad excuse attempting to explain your behaviour.

by the time you voted you had supposedly read less than 150 posts (assumed because your next post addresses asdioh's 152). the post where you vote me is post 345. you had read less than half the game - hadn't even gotten to kantrip's claim yet. that is clearly not enough to be okay with hammering. idk why i'm explaining this to you though... you already understand what i'm talking about.

rajam, so many people have expressed concerns about your slot several times throughout your "catch up", yet you chose to give the impression that you weren't reading them, in favour of reading past posts. yet as soon as something more substantial than activity concerns comes up, you address it right away? had you actually been following your catch-up facade, i wouldn't have expected you to respond to my point until 300 posts later.

vote: Rajam

srsly

JM, that was a really good argument against me. I'm not gonna try and argue my way out of this scum read of yours, all i have is an excuse. i haven't been that interested in this game. i don't care if you take this excuse or not, I'm just putting it out there.

this is soooooo newbscum

 

[Sokr]

Rajam:

Hola

ok guys, here's the deal: I'm clearly the best player in this game, so, I'll offer a limited opportunity to the first three players that say me! (bolded); these players will hold hands with me so we can **** scum together.

Remember, only the first three

Yes, people have said it over and over, but I feel like doing it now. What the hell is this? However, if you think about it, yes this does immediately scream scummy, but it could be an overconfident town, which I think could suit Rajam (well, the overconfident part).

If possible I'd like to invite people to "ignore" both Asdioh and mentos and focus elsewhere.

Why would you even ask this? Let's just pretend for a moment that everyone here is dumb enough to do this. And we assume you're wrong. What then? We lose the game. Why? Because we're ignoring scum and all they have to do is sit back and ride out the game.
Yes, I know this is an extreme case, but still, why would you ever ask players to ignore certain people. Unless it 100% certain, what they are, no one is above suspicion.

Anyways, out of all this, yes Rajam's posts initially scream scum, but if you look into intent and try to see the thinking behind his posts, it is possible to see town. It's a bit of a stretch, but the possibility is big enough for me to have a null on him. However, his inactivity and his "catchups" do reek of scum, so for you Kantrip, if I had to take a stance, it would be hesitant scum.

 

[Sokr]

this is soooooo newbscum

what's to differentiate between newbtown and newbscum? I'm curious.

Anyways, I'm taking a break. I'll get back to re reading later.

 

[T-block]

newbtown wouldn't say that. newbscum would

(it's mostly the apathy with which you said it)

rajam, give his thoughts on sokr, gheb, and july. ideally based on the whole thread, but if you still want to claim to have only read half the game, then at least gives thoughts based on that half. don't ignore this - i know you're going to read it soon.

 

[T-block]

EBWOP: rajam, give your* thoughts

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How about this: We lynch Sokr toDay, Kantrip drops hammer and in the same post blows up Rajam with his ability? For various reasons, I think it's worth the risk.

 

[Asdioh]

Deadline's in like a week, right? I've been busy with work and crap, but I should be rereading this thread tonight (or if not, then tomorrow and the day after, but probably tonight) and taking notes without spamming the thread like some people. Then I will post all my reads and crap. Nobody's body will be ready, especially not Rajam's.
Especially since I'll probably reread the thread before he even reads through it once.

 

[T-block]

How about this: We lynch Sokr toDay, Kantrip drops hammer and in the same post blows up Rajam with his ability? For various reasons, I think it's worth the risk.

elaborate?

lynch rajam
cop sokr
kantrip on sokr if guilty

is a much more appealing course of action in my mind

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I really doubt that there's not a single scumbag between Sokr, Rajam and Kantrip. Rajam's play is 100% unexcusable, Sokr is likely scum and Kantrip's claim is still not confirmed. If it really puts us at mylo toMorrow then eff this game, you can't expect anybody to foresee that kind of ish lol
If Rajam, Kantrip and Sokr are all town ... then we can at least rest assured that keeping them alive would've made the game borderline unwinnable for us anyway. Imho keeping them alive is more dangerous in the long run than getting rid of them soon.

Would rather have the cop clear mentos / July / Asdioh / Ryu / myself than Sokr. Cop needs a couple of people he can trust going into endgame.

 

[Rajam]

I think Kantrip's role does give him some town credibility.
Why would scum even claim this role, they might eventually be "forced" to bomb someone by the other players. Scum doesn't want to die. Now he doesn't bomb anyone and all attention falls onto him.
Seems like the most stupid thing for scum to do, at least to me, it's just putting yourself in a worse position.


He's definitely not clear though.

Now I desperately want to see Red Ryu's thoughts on EVERYTHING because he is on a shared #1 in lynch targets with T-block!

This doesn't make any sense... why the first paragraphs about how weird would it be Kantrip not being town, to conclude that he isn't clear? Seems to me like plain parroting while not taking any stance and still leaving Kantrip in the limbo

The post as a whole is just an excuse to have a post imo

 

[T-block]

yeah, i can see where you're coming from, gheb. i need to mull this over though.

kantrip, can your ability be used in twilight as well? ._.

 

[Jim Morrison]

JM, that was a really good argument against me. I'm not gonna try and argue my way out of this scum read of yours, all i have is an excuse. i haven't been that interested in this game. i don't care if you take this excuse or not, I'm just putting it out there.

Oh myyy goooood please refer to T-block, you are only adding to the reads.

 

[Jim Morrison]

what's to differentiate between newbtown and newbscum? I'm curious.

Anyways, I'm taking a break. I'll get back to re reading later.

Newbtown puts their own survival above anything. They'll keep defending theirselves till they drop (in my expierence).
Newbscum likes to use AtE. A lot. (in my expierence)

I like Gheb's plan of Kantrip blowing up Rajam and we lynch Sokr.

 

[T-block]

that is conditional on kantrip's ability being usable in twilight. if it's not, the day will either probably end as soon as rajam dies, if he's town, and the last vote won't go through, or end as soon as the vote is cast, so that ability doesn't go through. i don't think i would mind use of the ability on rajam anyways, though, since i'm pretty sure he's going to flip scum. still, it's probably better to have kantrip use it at Night.

actually, yeah, he can use it on sokr toNight, while we lynch rajam toDay. that's the best course of action i can come up with.

guus, i hope you're continuing your 419. i liked that.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Oh, thanks for reminding me.

1. Red_Ryu - Since T-block unclaimed miller and RR is now standing as miller, he can be read as town. Except he really has to catch up and not be a Rajam and lag-post. Would not lynch
2. Rajam - **** this guy. I would've already been fine with just policy lynching him (deal with it), but T-block's #412's last paragraph raised a good point. High lynch target
3. Sokr - Don't wanna clog up my reads list like I did with John in Housepets. But next post I'll explain my vote on Sokr. Would lynch hard
4. mentosman8 - Mentos has less posts than the game mod and this is obviously bad. He has never voted, but he hasn't done outright scummy things. Then again, with only 7 posts, one confirming, it's not hard to slip up. Mentos please post more, even though I respect you're having some issues to deal with atm. If you can't, you could always replace out. Would lynch if he was the only play
5. Jim Morrison - Love this guy. Would sleep with
6. adisoh - Aidohs, you have a weird way of being all over the place. If you ask me "Who has Asidoh been suspicious of in this game", I'd have no clue. First you believe RR and then T-block then move on, try to steer discussion away from it, bring it back to it, say you're doing a re-read but then we hear nothing of this. Aodhsi, take your time and focus more and follow your own opinions. Maybe it's time you could give me a list with your reads (not as extensive as mine, but just some)? Who would you follow to pressure right now? Wouldn't lynch but wouldn't mind losing
7. T-block - Him claiming miller and keeping up the fake-claim for so long was a very bad decision. He noticed it was probably going to boil down to him vs Red Ryu pretty early, yet was willing to risk RR's life. Not until attention was sliding a lot into his direction, after playing a gambit with Kantrip's claim, where he was at L-1/2(?), did he come clean about a fake claim.
His gambit on Kantrip's terrorist claim wasn't smooth at all. The only consolidation that kept him out of full red read, is the fact that he's been posting well since he came out out of the closet. But oh my god if you are scum you are riding this one out sooo close because of Rajam and Sokr playing worse than you. Would lynch after Sokr and Rajam
8. Gheb_01 - Haven't seen bad play from him, didn't expect much else from a player like him though. T-block, if you read this (you will), what are your thoughts on Gheb, as one of the more expierenced players? Would not lynch
9. Gorf - Gorf... Gorf... I had to think for a second or 5 before I realized who this was. Despite having 50 posts, not one of them stuck with me, and I know exactly why this is: It is the same thing I said back in my #128, Gorf is just being HomeMadeWaffles with his commentary. I haven't seen much discussion between him and others. I looked through a couple of your posts and noticed you not asking any questions. Are you afraid of direct discussion? No clue
Also, your aversion of walls doesn't sit well with me. It's fine that you dislike them, but discouraging people to make posts summing up and showing points they believe in, is pretty... odd, to me.
10. AsianAussie - Who? You're not posting a whole lot, but you're not doing bad. I'd love to see you getting more involved in discussion because it's very hard to get a read on you. You ask enough questions. Would vote if necessary for a majority
11. Kantrip - I view terrorist as a town role, but Kantrip, keep your cool man. I believe you're town now since you're willing to blow yourself up. I'd love to see you blow up Rajam or Sokr (depending on the lynch) ToNight. Would not lynch
12. July - Good posting, a bit under the radar. You play very passively. Would not lynch

I'm satisfied with my reads, glad not everyone is null like always lol.

 

[Kantrip]

What people have pointed about Sokr is starting to feel good with me too.

I mean, his play is similar to in Britches and Hose, with the difference being that he's purposely avoiding direct questions. Fence-sitting, failing to take stances or address relevant things in a sufficient manner, disregarding people's opinions of him or his reads, those are all a staple of his play as either alignment. However, when asked a direct question he would always try to answer it.

As I said Sokr, you are on your last life, and I don't want to have to endure you posting one post about every play.

I want your stance on every player now. Explanations not necessary. Failure to comply will result in both of our deaths.

Also no, Twilight is not an option. When I said anytime I wasn't really thinking about Twilight phase. Just during Day phase or Night phase.

So is anyone against me using this on Sokr if he fails to comply with people's requests for him?