Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[asianaussie]

i have been indisposed for a while, will post in about an hour after washing car

 

[asianaussie]

After reading what Gheb wrote I agree with the majority of it.

I think TB vs Kantrip is SvS. ill explain later as I'm on my phone and hate typing.

I can definitely see Kantrip as the kind of person who would attack his scum partner if they aren't playing that well. It put's Kantrip in a good light and separates him from someone who'd flip scum. That said, I think TB at first couldn't believe Kantrip was going after him so he started getting really defensive. Then you can see in his play where he starts to back off Kantrip, even sheeping him. This is probably around the time TB asked Kantrip what the hell he was doing and Kantrip told him.

This is really bad too, you do realise that scum get their own forum to discuss things, right? Kantrip would not do something dumb like this on his own for any good reason, and I don't see T-block agreeing readily to it either (although he has talked about how he thought he would be quicklynched, though it descends into WIFOM from there).

I cannot see this as SvS, if it is then I don't feel bad at all because it's bloody brilliant acting from both players

Don't clear RR yet, it's perfectly possible there is no miller in this game and both T-Block and RR claimed it so at least one of them would get a pseudo-clear.

 

[asianaussie]

Also, while T-block's actions are rather grimy, I feel very sorry for him, a lot of what Kantrip said was making me rub my eyes out of exasperation. Probably still town, but so very...urg...it's one thing to pressure a lynchable candidate, it's another to corner them and slap them with a ball of used tissues...

not even gonna comment on rajam's post, it's like he's been reading a different game where he's the most active and best player

i mean, he asks about two configurations with 2 millers in them, then later in the SAME POST says it's unlikely there are 2 millers in the game >_<

 

[Asdioh]

not even gonna comment on rajam's post, it's like he's been reading a different game where he's the most active and best player

Whoa AA with that mind ninja, I just read today's posts and was going to ask if Rajam was in the same game as the rest of us.

Also, while T-block's actions are rather grimy, I feel very sorry for him, a lot of what Kantrip said was making me rub my eyes out of exasperation. Probably still town, but so very...urg...it's one thing to pressure a lynchable candidate, it's another to corner them and slap them with a ball of used tissues...

I'm liking AA's posts, as rare as they are.



I had been feeling nervous about Gheb, thought he was kinda scummily lurking at first, but I feel inclined to agree with his views on Sokr, and I would totally join that wagon if it weren't for the fact that Rajam desperately needs to get lynched or suicide bombed.



The game's now on page 10, and I promised myself I would reread once it reached this point... so I'll try to get that done over the course of today and tomorrow. afk exercising like a healthy person.

 

[Sokr]

Omg I'm dumb. so, i had what i thought was a good insight, so i posted it. but then when it came to explaining it, i had second thoughts, but i pushed on anyways. Now I'm just gonna do a re read and reestablish my reads.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Omg I'm dumb. so, i had what i thought was a good insight, so i posted it. but then when it came to explaining it, i had second thoughts, but i pushed on anyways. Now I'm just gonna do a re read and reestablish my reads.

I remember saying this all too often when I used to be scum lol.

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr's Lives

5 Denying Requests
4 Avoiding Making a Stance and Asking Dumb Questions
3 Refusing Requests Again
2 Back-dooring with the Dumb Card
1

You're on your last life Sokr. Please don't mess it up. I gave you a lot of slack with this.

 

[Kantrip]

I also messed up the coding. Oh well.

 

[July]

T-Block, can you explain those bolded reads more? In particular, you seem to have aa as more townie than guus (Jim Morrison?) and guus more townie than mentos. Why is aa the towniest of all of them?

T-Block, you never responded to this (Don't factor aa's most recent posts into this because you made that list of aa>guus>mentos before that).

i wouldn't call it path of most resistance at all. if there hadn't been a CC, it would have worked quite nicely imo. the claim would have come, some discussion would have happened, then we would have moved on and i would be able to play a townie game without worrying about balancing acting scummy.

There were definite risks from the get-go and scenarios existed, including the one that happened, that you would get no reward. You didn't accomplish your original goal and it caused a lot of issues for RR and could have been even more problematic: if you weren't under any heat and RR took all the pressure instead and really is the miller, would you have ever revoked your miller claim, or just let him go down? That's a hypothetical question but once again it raises questions about your intentions and whether self-preservation was the only thing on your mind or whether you would have revoked your claim whenever it was best for town, even if it compromised the goal of your gambit.

 

[July]

I can definitely see Kantrip as the kind of person who would attack his scum partner if they aren't playing that well. It put's Kantrip in a good light and separates him from someone who'd flip scum. That said, I think TB at first couldn't believe Kantrip was going after him so he started getting really defensive. Then you can see in his play where he starts to back off Kantrip, even sheeping him. This is probably around the time TB asked Kantrip what the hell he was doing and Kantrip told him.

Kantrip v. T-Block as S v. S seems pretty much impossible. If you were to accept that it is more likely this is TvS or TvT, which one of Kantrip and T-Block do you think is more likely to be scum?

 

[July]

Unvote

I'm not convinced that T-Block is town or that his gambit had town intentions, but I'm willing to consider that T-Block v. Kantrip could be TvT. Out of the two, I find Kantrip townier and I think his pressure on T-Block to explain himself was necessary and had good intentions.

Rajam's post was mostly catch-up, and when I saw something new in his post with his suspicions of Asdioh I was happy to consider it, but I found those suspicions to be extremely weak.

Gheb raises some good points about Sokr, but I'm not convinced. All the issues raised so far are the same issues we had in Britches and Hose and while support for the Sokr wagon seems to be strong, aa was the only one to add his own reasons for supporting the wagon; everyone else has just sheeped Gheb's reasoning.

 

[asianaussie]

So, July, who do you propose we lynch? Who do you think Kantrip should bomb, if you are of the opinion that bombing toNight is a good strategy?

No need to rush things, we have more than a week left.

Kantrip, you *can* use the power at night, right? PM Rockin and get back to me on this if you aren't sure.

Omg I'm dumb. so, i had what i thought was a good insight, so i posted it. but then when it came to explaining it, i had second thoughts, but i pushed on anyways. Now I'm just gonna do a re read and reestablish my reads.

Could you post logs from the QT where people agreed with your insight?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Kantrip, you *can* use the power at night, right? PM Rockin and get back to me on this if you aren't sure.

Either don't skim or start actually remembering stuff about this game.

 

[Rajam]

Gorf, are you sure you prefer your vote on TB over Rajam? The quotes you pulled from Rajam are scummier than anything you're saying about Tblock, to me. I still think TB's town.

Red Ruy, where'd you go? What are your current thoughts on T-block and Rajam?

Elaborate on why those posts/quotes are/were scummy

 

[Rajam]

Rajam at the moment. That's my only concrete read from going through this game as it happens. I'll look more in depth after Tuesday - caught up in job applications until then.



So we admit there's no substance ^^

Gorf, I hope there's no meta contributing to this feel of yours, right?

Could you too elaborate on how, up to that point (post 173), I moved from useless-policy lynch to scummy? In your first post you introduced me as useless and a good policy lynch, but in this post is the first time I see you now shifting from useless to scummy, without any explanation of why that shift. Explanations?

Also, just saw Kantrip's claim. If you're gonna commit suicide, take T-block with you. Question though: If you commit suicide will the Day Phase end?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Also, just saw Kantrip's claim. If you're gonna commit suicide, take T-block with you. Question though: If you commit suicide will the Day Phase end?

YOU ARE ONLY THERE.
Oh my god you are making me mad, can you please just STOP POSTING ALL TOGETHER UNTIL YOU READ UP.

Oh my ****ing god my blood pressure.

 

[Sokr]

I agree with JM. If you have any questions or even uncertainties about Kantrips abilities, reread, its in there.

 

[Rajam]

Sorry having... friend zone issues o.o...

But yea if it's legit then I'd say to eliminate either a painfully useless slot for us, or a possible second place scummy slot... OoC time: Gosh Kantirip I didn't mean to just call you bad :x. Obv there's always room for improvement. Only thing is that you gotta take the right steps TO improve. Don't hang your head over this. Get time to really absorb what people feel about you play. Almost nobody, if not NOBODY, thinks you're a lost cause. Bad doesn't even BEGIN to describe you compared to others. I'd say just take time to see what others are saying and possibly try to make it work but this should TOTES be handled out of thread... If I'm getting your feel right :/.

Yeah Gorf, it can be an out of thread thing. Thanks mang

Your picks: Could you fill these in for me, Gorf?

Painfully Useless:

Possible Second Place Scummy:

uh, I don't get why the second place scummy slot... shouldn't be first since if Kantrip hits a townie the day will end?

 

[Rajam]

Only read through once for familiarisation, going swimming now, here are thoughts

Kantrip's play reminded me too much of my own play, including the pseudo-breakdown, so I have him as town.

I was gonna ask about Rajam's usefulness but Gorf's post cleared that up. Is he really worth bombing this early? T-Block, can you comment on this?

Sokr looking a bit suspicious to me, first a vote and unvote on kantrip, then this almost completely-useless post about whether or not kantrip's ability is day-usable or not (which any glance at this page could reveal easily)

mmm you already had a scum pick by this post, so, why didn't you vote? a vote count was just previous to this post so it's not like you couldn't know if Sokr was in risk of dying or not

 

[Rajam]

Yeah T-block shouldn't have missed things he missed.

man this phone sucks

Along with mentos analysis on numbers, I fully 100% agree with this

 

[Rockin]

Day 1​

Rajam (2) - T-block, Asdioh

T-block (4) - Red Ryu, Gorf , Rajam

July (1) - Kantrip

Sokr (2) - Gheb, Jim Morrison

Not Voting - Mentosman, AsianAussie, Sokr, July

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 28th

Mentos has been prodded

 

[Rajam]

Still reading but I'm pausing a little now because I'm making a 180° shift on Asdioh and say that I think he is town. When Kantrip claimed and T-block pushed for my death, Asdioh asked if the ability could be used at Night. I think that's a huge town tell, since... he could've just remain silent if he were scum and wait for Kantrip to make the move, but instead he asked that, stopped the kill with the question and proposed better ways to use that ability.

Same thing can be said about mentos; when he brought the number analysis to show that Kantrip commiting suicide and killing me was a really risky thing, he too helped in stopping the action.

If T-block flips town I think what I said earlier just gets even stronger and would deffinitely indicate both Asdioh and mentos are town. Of course this whole analysis operates under the assumption I'm town, but I know I'm town hence I'm posting this

If possible I'd like to invite people to "ignore" both Asdioh and mentos and focus elsewhere.

Anti-FoS: Asdioh & mentosman8

 

[asianaussie]

I agree with JM. If you have any questions or even uncertainties about Kantrips abilities, reread, its in there.

thank you, this was 100% super completely mega giga CHOU necessary

stop fluffing and pull out your revision of reads please

i think rajam just trolls games he can't get into

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, all caught up, sorry it took longer to get back than expected. Waiting during my dad's surgery was way more stressful than I expected and I wasn't up to catching up yesterday.

T-block having fakeclaimed miller makes me (facepalm), but I don't think it's really a push one way or the other.

Gheb's stuff on Sokr sounded decent.

Ryu needs to appear.

Ummm Rajam posting things that are completely irrelevant by this point in the game is kinda annoying, but I guess it's nice to see his reads evolve as he catches up instead of just seeing the endpoint so meh.

/end being not overly talky on catching up XD

 

[asianaussie]

Ok, all caught up, sorry it took longer to get back than expected. Waiting during my dad's surgery was way more stressful than I expected and I wasn't up to catching up yesterday.

T-block having fakeclaimed miller makes me (facepalm), but I don't think it's really a push one way or the other.

Gheb's stuff on Sokr sounded decent.

Ryu needs to appear.

Ummm Rajam posting things that are completely irrelevant by this point in the game is kinda annoying, but I guess it's nice to see his reads evolve as he catches up instead of just seeing the endpoint so meh.

/end being not overly talky on catching up XD

i don't really want to push you, what with surgery and stuff (i really hope it all went off without a hitch), but got anything else to say?

out of t-block, kantrip and sokr, who would you prefer to lynch (or do you have another candidate in mind?)

 

[Kantrip]

uh, I don't get why the second place scummy slot... shouldn't be first since if Kantrip hits a townie the day will end?

Those were two candidates he brought up himself, I was just asking him to put names there.

 

[Kantrip]

Also yeah actually read and you'll realize the answers to your questions about my claim exist.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh man Vote: Rajam yea I can already see he's going to be freakin STRANDED in catch up land at this rate.

See, I don't see why people want to go at him for this as a policy Lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't think T-Block's claim can be trusted anymore.

Vote T-Block

I'm interested in what the reason as here for this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lynching inactives, FUN FUN FUN!

Unvote

Vote: Rajam

Are you Rebecca Black?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

vote: T-block

Super Mario RPG...? Anyways, this post seems like you had the urge to gain town points by creating a quick disconnection with me more than anything; I don't care if it was during RVS stage; my point stands.

I wanna reread Super Mario RPG actually, I remember a post similar to this.

Hahaha if you think you were helpful to town in SMRPG you severely need to be disillusioned.

How would disconnecting from you gain me town points? What is your "point" that supposedly stands?

Helpful maybe not, but he nailed the entire scum team on day 1.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't think this adds up with the information he's given us about his claim earlier - it looks like an attempt to satisfy the idea that a short role name is more likely used by the mod than a long one [a discussion I know T-Block has lurked out because I saw him visit the thread without posting]. In post #30 he gives us the hint that there's more to his role than just his miller status but the flavor, his role name and his role description don't match with these claims. Not all information needed has been included yet in my book. Why claim to be "a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways" when you could simply claim what you actually are? Claiming to be an "ex-criminal worker" would've given us the same information but sounds like an actual role name - you wouldn't bother to clarify this before you were called out on it, eh? ... incidentally, illegal immigrant as miller makes perfect sense whereas "ex-criminal XY" sounds like something anybody can safely tailor as a fake-claim in like ... any game ever.

I can agree with this but.

Why the change from before where you offered a possibility of 2 millers?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This. Voting someone for an RVS vote? Rajam, what the hell are you doing?

Gheb's reasoning actually makes a lot of sense.

unvote
Vote: Rajam

@mod: request votecount

Is it just me, or is Asdioh coming off as noncommittal through his posts?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is silly.

Actually noting the game itself I say for day1 in that game their were somethings I agree with Rajam on.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gorf, are you sure you prefer your vote on TB over Rajam? The quotes you pulled from Rajam are scummier than anything you're saying about Tblock, to me. I still think TB's town.

Red Ruy, where'd you go? What are your current thoughts on T-block and Rajam?

As of this post.

T-Block Scum, Rajam Null.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

liking Mentos so far because he's yelling at people for doing dumb things.

Mentos, is your vote anywhere? Do you want to put it anywhere?

Like this again.

What is the purpose?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Screw this. I hate how I play this game.

I'm sorry Gorf. I'm sorry Asdioh. I'm sorry other people.

I am a Terrorist and I'm in this store to blow it up, but I had second thoughts.

I have a one-shot suicide bomb ability, and I want people to tell me who they think I should use it on. I was thinking Rajam.

The game will be better with the two of us gone, I think. Any other suggestions?

Don't use this, at least not yet.

Just hopping between games. Of course it will be addressed.

Kay... Excellent choice would be Rajam.

...are you kidding me?

Giga drill Breaker Vig: T-Block

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Indeed. Does that somehow make it an illegitimate reason?

Yes, yes it does.

Should I say Policy lynch T-Block being serious every game because I am paranoid of you being scum each game?

Should I policy lynch all the vets who want me policy lynched D1?

No, give me an in game reason or this has not substance to it.

 

[asianaussie]

Yes, yes it does.

Should I say Policy lynch T-Block being serious every game because I am paranoid of you being scum each game?

Should I policy lynch all the vets who want me policy lynched D1?

No, give me an in game reason or this has not substance to it.

just hopping into discussion

but i think it doesn't matter what caused terrible responses, if a response is terrible it's the fault of whoever wrote them, you can't say 'oh im only posting dumb things because the topic we're talking about is dumb'

also, read rajam's more...i hesitate to say 'recent', since he's so far behind, but...recent responses, and judge him from them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

To be honest, I've had issues with Kantrip's play and I'm still having trouble with his role being a terrorist who had second thoughts but is still suiciding. I'm willing to give his role credence, but his claim hasn't made his play completely okay and made him obvtown imo. And I don't want this game to become focused on his claim, I want to scumhunt first and focus on that right now. Kantrip is someone I'm still suspicious of, but less so than Rajam and T-Block. T-Block's most recent posts do not look like the composed, analytic town T-Block I've played with before, and Rajam has done nothing to stimulate conversation or provide content.

Vote: T-Block

Your entire play has changed ever since Gheb questioned you, and your reaction to Kantrip's claim was straightforward, but not in a good way and encouraged something that could have been harmful for town.

@T-Block: What are your reads on Sokr and Asdioh?

July, may I hold hands with you this game?