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[Jim Morrison]

Oh and the reason I asked the question to Gorf and Asdioh, is because I have 0 idea where they stand. I'd like them to finally take a chance, so I asked them as well.

 

[Jim Morrison]

chance = stance derp

 

[asianaussie]

gone one day and 2 pages to read

there is a reason i have not talked much, this is my last month and a bit before my hardcore uni course, i am making the most of it by being social and stuff outside the internet

we still have plenty of time iirc, so im not going to say too much, couple pots incoming

 

[asianaussie]

haven't read very carefully because im really woozy atm

rajam over sokr for now, very much subject to change

vote: Rajam

 

[asianaussie]

also want to note most people are fairly null to me, and i have been keeping up with the game (this is just me playing mafia, sadly)

towniest are probably t-block and jim morrison/july though i haven't read july's most recent string of posts

rajam is dumb for stupid, overly commanding posts (which he doesn't even try to enforce, jeez) and being a general burden (though i dunno if anyone is taking him seriously), but idunno if he's actually scum, a lot of what he says is merely detached from the game, not overly scummy

scummiest im not 100% sure, aside from rajam im going to read sokr, t-block and maybe gorf in the morning since when i think 'scum' those three tentatively come to mind

and ffs my user has no capitals in it

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Liking July's latest input. I had the feeling that Guus was trying to buddy me but I wanted to wait a bit before coming out with it. Too bad he's alerted now. Point is still good though.
I forgot about Ryu's miller claim still standing but I think copping a major suspect isn't the best course of action in general so copping Sokr is a no-no for me. Cop should pick a target that's likely survive to endgame so they can form an alliance going into lylo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Would rather lynch Sokr than Rajam btw because Kantrip's ability might "fail" during the Night phase for whatever reason and I think Sokr dying is more important at this point than Rajam dying. If Kantrip's ability fails I'm fairly certain that we'll find out why in the long run. If Sokr flips scum then it's not necessary anyways for him to blow himself + Rajam up toNight.

 

[asianaussie]

scummiest im not 100% sure, aside from rajam im going to read sokr, t-block and maybe gorf in the morning since when i think 'scum' those three tentatively come to mind

i super derped here, i meant kantrip over t-block

yea this is how tired i am >_>

 

[Sokr]

How about this: We lynch Sokr toDay, Kantrip drops hammer and in the same post blows up Rajam with his ability? For various reasons, I think it's worth the risk.

That would work unless Rajam is town which I doubt it. I say go ahead, except for the part where you're wasting the vote on me. It would be good for the game in the sense that you'd be removing someone who isn't all that interested in the game, however you'd miss the opportunity to lynch scum toDay.

What people have pointed about Sokr is starting to feel good with me too.

I mean, his play is similar to in Britches and Hose, with the difference being that he's purposely avoiding direct questions. Fence-sitting, failing to take stances or address relevant things in a sufficient manner, disregarding people's opinions of him or his reads, those are all a staple of his play as either alignment. However, when asked a direct question he would always try to answer it.

As I said Sokr, you are on your last life, and I don't want to have to endure you posting one post about every play.

I want your stance on every player now. Explanations not necessary. Failure to comply will result in both of our deaths.

Also no, Twilight is not an option. When I said anytime I wasn't really thinking about Twilight phase. Just during Day phase or Night phase.

So is anyone against me using this on Sokr if he fails to comply with people's requests for him?

Red Ryu
Rajam
Sokr
mentosman
Jim Morrison
asdioh
T-Block
Gheb
Gorf
asianaussie
Kantrip
July

ok, I saw Gheb's plan, and before saying anything I want to address some stuff:

First, I'm getting very sold on Sokr as newbscum, and I think he's scummier than everything T-block has done

unvote
vote: Sokr

Then, I think Kantrip's suspicion on T-block is legit. I feel/felt the breadcrumb could be used as a scapegoat, and it bothers me that you left a crumb for your proposal in killing me but you didn't leave a crumb for your miller gambit, considering you said you leave crumbs in these kind of cases. Also, I don't know why people are reluctant to believe Kantrip's claim, when it is quite easy to push at times like if we have a cop guilty. I consider Kantrip a strong town read

Kantrip, ask Rockin what happens if you hammer and use your ability at the same time

I'm aware Gheb did a case on Sokr ¿? I'll talk about Gheb's plan once I see the case. I want to evaluate if it could indicate a strong disconnection between Gheb and Sokr.

Also, I strongly think between T-block and Sokr there is scum, but I also strongly consider that T-block and Sokr aren't both scum

So, what's the problem with sheeping? In fact this shows you're too more concerned on your own survivability than being a clear/outloud voice (regardless if it's by sheeping others or not) when pursuing your scumpicks; you're falling into pretty much the same thing you're calling T-block at the end of your post

This post could change my read on T-Block to town.... except for the part where you two seem to be distancing yourselves from each other. Not liking it.

I really dislike this post, but it's not what I would expect from scum. I would expect defensiveness and at least refuting some of the points, not resigning and moving on. I like some of Jim Morrison's points a lot and I don't think you've played pro-town, but I'm just not convinced this is scum play.

@Sokr: What is the strongest scum read you've had so far this game and what prevented you from voting them?

Rajam. I didn't vote him because he was a bit confusing and I wasn't that sure of my read.

Reassessing Sokr. July really is right here. Sokr is playing exactly how he did in Britches and Hose. He is just difficult as town. The whole nonchalant apathy and completely not caring about other's opinions of him is something I recall from past town play. I do not see him playing how he is as scum at all.

Liking July for being willing to go against the grain for legitimate reasons.
I'm calling Sokr bad, unwilling-to-comply town. I still want him to try to cooperate because I have no remorse seeing him go, but I believe he is bored and playing his slot badly.

Nailed it.



VOTE RAJAM

 

[Rajam]

If I'm lynched I don't want Kantrip to use his ability. I strongly think Kantrip is town, and I'd only push for Kantrip using his ability only if Kantrip starts to become scummy (I think that's the best way to use Kantrip ability anyways; only if he starts to become more scummy than townie). Regarding Sokr, I'd rather follow the normal course of lynching him next Day instead of Kantrip+Sokr commiting suicide.

@T-block, asianaussie, Jim Morrison, and Gorf:
Assume I flip town. thoughts on this course of action? ^

 

[Rajam]

@Sokr: Elaborate on your reads on assianaussie, Gorf and Jim Morrison.

btw if he doesn't anwer this and I'm lynched, I trust someone will bring this asap. That said, don't evade this Sokr

 

[Asdioh]

unvote

what the hell guys, I don't know where the votecount is but it's possible Rajam was just lynched or put close to L-1

 

[Rockin]

Day 1​

Rajam (5) - T-block, Kantrip, July, Asianaussie, Sokr

T-block (1) - Gorf

Sokr (3) - Gheb, Jim Morrison, Rajam

Asdioh - Red Ryu

Not Voting - Mentosman, Asdioh

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 28th

 

[T-block]

Nope, never played with him before, all I know about him is that he was scum in Fire & Lightning where he did the exact same thing of lagging behind constantly, which is why I'd be very happy to lynch him as well.

Because I want Sokr or Rajam lynched and want to know who's down with the crowd.

i thought the question of "rajam or sokr lynch" was in the context of gheb's plan? ie- since both are going to die, does it matter whether we lynch one or the other? so you were just asking if i'd be okay with them dying, period? hadn't i already made it clear i think they can both die?

what is your opinion of the rebecca black meme? is it over done? do you find it funny? annoying?

 

[T-block]

also want to note most people are fairly null to me, and i have been keeping up with the game (this is just me playing mafia, sadly)

towniest are probably t-block and jim morrison/july though i haven't read july's most recent string of posts

rajam is dumb for stupid, overly commanding posts (which he doesn't even try to enforce, jeez) and being a general burden (though i dunno if anyone is taking him seriously), but idunno if he's actually scum, a lot of what he says is merely detached from the game, not overly scummy

scummiest im not 100% sure, aside from rajam im going to read sokr, t-block and maybe gorf in the morning since when i think 'scum' those three tentatively come to mind

and ffs my user has no capitals in it

elaborate on how jim morrison is highly townie in your eyes. be as detailed as possible.

 

[Jim Morrison]

i thought the question of "rajam or sokr lynch" was in the context of gheb's plan? ie- since both are going to die, does it matter whether we lynch one or the other? so you were just asking if i'd be okay with them dying, period? hadn't i already made it clear i think they can both die?

From you, I wanted to know who is your pick and why not the other, from Gorf/Asdioh, I just want to hear anything regarding to those two.
Towards you, I guess it was in the context of Gheb's plan, the others is just hearing from them.

 

[T-block]

Liking July's latest input. I had the feeling that Guus was trying to buddy me but I wanted to wait a bit before coming out with it. Too bad he's alerted now. Point is still good though.
I forgot about Ryu's miller claim still standing but I think copping a major suspect isn't the best course of action in general so copping Sokr is a no-no for me. Cop should pick a target that's likely survive to endgame so they can form an alliance going into lylo.

i'd like to add jim morrison to the list of cop target candidates. not getting good vibes from him at all, and reading him is hard (i can't do it well even though i've played like... three games with him recently, including being scummates with him once).

Would rather lynch Sokr than Rajam btw because Kantrip's ability might "fail" during the Night phase for whatever reason and I think Sokr dying is more important at this point than Rajam dying. If Kantrip's ability fails I'm fairly certain that we'll find out why in the long run. If Sokr flips scum then it's not necessary anyways for him to blow himself + Rajam up toNight.

this is exactly why i want rajam lynched over sokr, if we do go through with this plan. i think rajam is far more likely to flip scum than sokr.

i am with you gheb in that i am trusting my scum read on sokr over the meta others are providing, though.

 

[T-block]

Rajam. I didn't vote him because he was a bit confusing and I wasn't that sure of my read.

at what point did your read on rajam become a strong scum read? point out the specific post ideally.

 

[T-block]

@Sokr: Elaborate on your reads on assianaussie, Gorf and Jim Morrison.

btw if he doesn't anwer this and I'm lynched, I trust someone will bring this asap. That said, don't evade this Sokr

sokr, add asdioh to that list

elaborate on aa, gorf, jm, and asdioh

 

[Asdioh]

Catching up with the page 11-present stuff that I've only skimmed thus far.

that is actually a fascinating observation that i completely missed

wouldn't it be cute if this was a guus-rajam scum team slip? is it just coincidence that his words happened to align with rajam's antics in a game he wasn't in?

You'll need to explain this one to me if you haven't already, I don't know what game you're talking about.

Explanation on this: It feels like arguing with Socrates. Even though what I might have thought seemed legit to me, what others (Socrates) are saying is a lot more logical and I am inclined to believe them over myself, inexpierenced as I am ;x.

that AtE.

Though I agree with your 420 so yeah.

9. Gorf - Gorf... Gorf... I had to think for a second or 5 before I realized who this was. Despite having 50 posts, not one of them stuck with me, and I know exactly why this is: It is the same thing I said back in my #128, Gorf is just being HomeMadeWaffles with his commentary. I haven't seen much discussion between him and others. I looked through a couple of your posts and noticed you not asking any questions. Are you afraid of direct discussion? No clue
Also, your aversion of walls doesn't sit well with me. It's fine that you dislike them, but discouraging people to make posts summing up and showing points they believe in, is pretty... odd, to me.

And we see eye to eye on this.

T-block, does it matter to you who gets lynched Today, Rajam or Sokr? Would you be down for either of them?

Same to Asdioh and Gorf, when he gets back, would you be willing to lynch Sokr at this point?

I'd be willing to lynch Sokr, but Rajam takes higher priority, if it wasn't made clear by my vote being on him most of the game.
The WIFOM around mentos and I will be hilarious upon a Rajam scumflip.

Guus, I hope you read my big post. I hope somebody reads it

Reassessing Sokr. July really is right here. Sokr is playing exactly how he did in Britches and Hose. He is just difficult as town. The whole nonchalant apathy and completely not caring about other's opinions of him is something I recall from past town play. I do not see him playing how he is as scum at all.

Liking July for being willing to go against the grain for legitimate reasons.
I'm calling Sokr bad, unwilling-to-comply town. I still want him to try to cooperate because I have no remorse seeing him go, but I believe he is bored and playing his slot badly.

ehhh. This is going to be a divergence of opinions. "Sure he seems scummy, but I think he's town!" This is probably a lot like my T-block read, actually.

Speaking of Britches and Hose, my play's being a lot like it was there, right Kantrip? :D
Maybe this is a crumb. Swiss would be proud.

towniest are probably t-block and jim morrison/july though i haven't read july's most recent string of posts

.....

scummiest im not 100% sure, aside from rajam im going to read sokr, t-block and maybe gorf in the morning since when i think 'scum' those three tentatively come to mind

:mistyface:

i super derped here, i meant kantrip over t-block

yea this is how tired i am >_>

oh ok cool



My plan of action: lynch Rajam toDay

Cop between Gheb, AA, mentos, July

Kantrip: I know your claim is just a gambit (trust me, don't argue with me on this) but anyway you shouldn't use your role during the Day unless we have night action evidence of scum. As for using it at Night... I suggest you keep your intentions to yourself, and WIFOM scum about who you're going to use it on, and whether you're going to use it at all. That way, if scum has a roleblocker or something (which they probably do, if experience is to judge) they won't know if they want to use it on you, or they won't know if they want to NK you, etc.

 

[Sokr]

at what point did your read on rajam become a strong scum read? point out the specific post ideally.

The post where I did a read on Rajam. Not sure why I didn't vote him at that point...

sokr, add asdioh to that list

elaborate on aa, gorf, jm, and asdioh

Well aa hasn't posted that much... hence the null...

gorf I liked his posts, as few of them as there are. this one's hesitant and will need to be strengthened further into the game.... assuming I survive.....

I really like JM's posts. From what I can see it's all legit scumhunting, good reads and general townie intent coming from that slot. I honestly don't see the scuminess that you guys see in him. I should probably do a more in depth analysis of him.

Well, there's asdioh's crumb, and his gameplay looks alot like it did in britches in hose, in which he was town.

 

[Kantrip]

also want to note most people are fairly null to me, and i have been keeping up with the game (this is just me playing mafia, sadly)

towniest are probably t-block and jim morrison/july though i haven't read july's most recent string of posts

rajam is dumb for stupid, overly commanding posts (which he doesn't even try to enforce, jeez) and being a general burden (though i dunno if anyone is taking him seriously), but idunno if he's actually scum, a lot of what he says is merely detached from the game, not overly scummy

scummiest im not 100% sure, aside from rajam im going to read sokr, t-block and maybe gorf in the morning since when i think 'scum' those three tentatively come to mind

and ffs my user has no capitals in it

T-block is one of your only town reads, yet when you think "scum" he comes to mind?

 

[Kantrip]

Never mind, I wasn't fully read.

 

[Kantrip]

If I'm lynched I don't want Kantrip to use his ability. I strongly think Kantrip is town, and I'd only push for Kantrip using his ability only if Kantrip starts to become scummy (I think that's the best way to use Kantrip ability anyways; only if he starts to become more scummy than townie). Regarding Sokr, I'd rather follow the normal course of lynching him next Day instead of Kantrip+Sokr commiting suicide.

@T-block, asianaussie, Jim Morrison, and Gorf:
Assume I flip town. thoughts on this course of action? ^

You are focusing way too much attention to my role. Are you paranoid about it?

Seriously, you have asked a lot of questions about it, tried to find a loophole with it, stated your opinion of its use multiple times, etc.

Just a heads up, I am using it on you if you are still scummier than Sokr at the end of the Day and we AREN'T lynching you.

 

[asianaussie]

That would work unless Rajam is town which I doubt it.

vote: Rajam

Do you really believe Rajam isn't town? He's been playing in a way completely counterproductive of any role and I don't think this defaults to scummy.

Jim Morrison
T-Block
Gheb

Explain these.

This post could change my read on T-Block to town.... except for the part where you two seem to be distancing yourselves from each other. Not liking it.

Is this reliant on your Rajam scumread? A load of hypotheticals anyway.

 

[Kantrip]

Wow Asdioh I don't even know how you even figured it out now scum doesn't even need to bother roleblocking or redirecting me at all

 

[asianaussie]

If I'm lynched I don't want Kantrip to use his ability. I strongly think Kantrip is town, and I'd only push for Kantrip using his ability only if Kantrip starts to become scummy (I think that's the best way to use Kantrip ability anyways; only if he starts to become more scummy than townie). Regarding Sokr, I'd rather follow the normal course of lynching him next Day instead of Kantrip+Sokr commiting suicide.

@T-block, asianaussie, Jim Morrison, and Gorf:
Assume I flip town. thoughts on this course of action? ^

Obvious point is obvious, but you completely dodge the issue of using the ability to eliminate possible scum and all the benefits of flips, regardless of who we hit. The payoff is pretty good if we do hit something, and it's not as if we're just picking random targets to use it on. Using it will always be a risk.

 

[asianaussie]

elaborate on how jim morrison is highly townie in your eyes. be as detailed as possible.

i will instead talk about why i think you're town

during the fuss thrown up around the gambit a lot of people were quick to crucify you and say you were backpedalling etc

i honestly didn't buy into it, so after the dust settled i decided your gambit had towny intentions behind it

yeah

 

[asianaussie]

wait wait wait sorry i edited by mistake

i meant to add that post to the one i accidentally edited

it was talking about how i re-read and decided jim morrison was null for basically shadowing gheb a lot and not taking much independent action

 

[Kantrip]

So wait aa.

You think T-block is town because you don't think he was backpedaling?

That shows why he is "not scum". Tell me what moves him from null to town. How did his gambit have town intent?

 

[asianaussie]

ignore the above two posts, or have a mod restore them

this is what i was going to post

elaborate on how jim morrison is highly townie in your eyes. be as detailed as possible.

...

well, i had an intro section written out, but then i went and re-read, and found he didn't do a great deal other than shadow gheb and push forward his plans, though the questions he asked were decent enough, so null i guess



guess i will instead talk about why i think you're town, just for the record

during the fuss thrown up around the gambit a lot of people were quick to crucify you and say you were backpedalling etc

i honestly didn't buy into it, so after the dust settled i decided your gambit had towny intentions behind it

yeah

 

[Sokr]

Do you really believe Rajam isn't town? He's been playing in a way completely counterproductive of any role and I don't think this defaults to scummy.

That's nice.

Explain these.

I already explained JM. As for TB and Gheb:

Gheb isn't that involved in this game which reminds me of playing with him in Newbie 15 in which he was scum.... I think.... we never did get that flip....

I'm not really liking TB's slot what with the sheeping Kantrip when he claimed and his fakeclaim before the game even got going (and miller too). There's probably more but I forget it right now. Geez, I gotta write these things down.

Is this reliant on your Rajam scumread? A load of hypotheticals anyway.

Not really. And it's not like we can be dealing with many absolutes in day 1....

 

[Sokr]

Oh, and against TB, the backpeddaling as well.

 

[asianaussie]

So wait aa.

You think T-block is town because you don't think he was backpedaling?

That shows why he is "not scum". Tell me what moves him from null to town. How did his gambit have town intent?

no, the backpedalling was just something i remember people calling him out for (i think it was gorf?), nothing specific there

right, im working from my notes (first time taking them, bear with me)

they're saying that the 'claming miller but something more' bit might bait scum into killing him, the non-PR miller, whilst thinking he was a PR - this might've worked even if he was VT

that's a bit outdated though, especially since TB himself revealed his intentions, which are the opposite of what i hypothesised (but still towny)

and after his breakdown vs you, he's come back and delivered some very solid substance, which i rather like, so i have him as town anyway

 

[Kantrip]

Except he said he did what he did to AVOID a NK, not DRAW a NK.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh crap I misread what you said.

Okay so he claimed his intentions, but do you BELIEVE him? I still fail to see how claiming miller "status" dodges a NK when he basically implied there was more to his role.

Seriously, when someone's intent is the complete OPPOSITE of what you would expect if they are town, WHY do you still think it is townie?

 

[Asdioh]

Because I said so.

Kantrip, what did you think of my big reread post? What do you think of Gorf?

 

[asianaussie]

Because the miller - a topic of WIFOM, unconfirmable town, no powers - being a sacrificial lamb helps town out by eliminating all the aforementioned stuff.

idk if this is right, it's just what I think. Not really as valid now that he's retracted the claim.

 

[T-block]

ignore the above two posts, or have a mod restore them

this is what i was going to post



...

well, i had an intro section written out, but then i went and re-read, and found he didn't do a great deal other than shadow gheb and push forward his plans, though the questions he asked were decent enough, so null i guess



guess i will instead talk about why i think you're town, just for the record

during the fuss thrown up around the gambit a lot of people were quick to crucify you and say you were backpedalling etc

i honestly didn't buy into it, so after the dust settled i decided your gambit had towny intentions behind it

yeah

so what was your town read based on before your reread then? it wasn't only town - it was top 3 townie. that's pretty strong

 

[asianaussie]

i felt he just asked some decent questions and was getting stuff done, so i must have filed him as town somewhere in my memory