Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[Kantrip]

I think your reread post was cool and stuff but it felt kind of empty. Like, I read through some players that had headers just for them and a decent paragraph included that basically just said "yeah I don't really have much". I think this was just you trying to cover everyone though and I did like that post.

I don't have a lasting impression on Gorf and I can't remember what he's done. I'm going to read his posts again.

 

[T-block]

The post where I did a read on Rajam. Not sure why I didn't vote him at that point...

you mean this post?

Rajam:



Yes, people have said it over and over, but I feel like doing it now. What the hell is this? However, if you think about it, yes this does immediately scream scummy, but it could be an overconfident town, which I think could suit Rajam (well, the overconfident part).



Why would you even ask this? Let's just pretend for a moment that everyone here is dumb enough to do this. And we assume you're wrong. What then? We lose the game. Why? Because we're ignoring scum and all they have to do is sit back and ride out the game.
Yes, I know this is an extreme case, but still, why would you ever ask players to ignore certain people. Unless it 100% certain, what they are, no one is above suspicion.

Anyways, out of all this, yes Rajam's posts initially scream scum, but if you look into intent and try to see the thinking behind his posts, it is possible to see town. It's a bit of a stretch, but the possibility is big enough for me to have a null on him. However, his inactivity and his "catchups" do reek of scum, so for you Kantrip, if I had to take a stance, it would be hesitant scum.

doesn't really satisfy my question. how did you get from the null leaning scum above to the "doubt he's town" below?

That would work unless Rajam is town which I doubt it. I say go ahead, except for the part where you're wasting the vote on me. It would be good for the game in the sense that you'd be removing someone who isn't all that interested in the game, however you'd miss the opportunity to lynch scum toDay.

another question: how are you so willing to look into intent to see potential town intent for rajam's posts, yet you can't see the potential town intent behind my miller claim and my initial reaction to kantrip's claim? i've explicitly stated my intent and you supposedly disbelieve it, while rajam hasn't even stated his intent and you list scummy behaviour as null for possible town intent? the question sounds weird coming from me, but i'm sure others would back me up that something is amiss here.

 

[Asdioh]

I don't have a lasting impression on Gorf and I can't remember what he's done. I'm going to read his posts again.

Exactly. :s

 

[T-block]

Oh crap I misread what you said.

Okay so he claimed his intentions, but do you BELIEVE him? I still fail to see how claiming miller "status" dodges a NK when he basically implied there was more to his role.

Seriously, when someone's intent is the complete OPPOSITE of what you would expect if they are town, WHY do you still think it is townie?

only going to say this once more. i've said it at least twice before but you find it convenient to ignore it for one reason or another.

if i actually were miller, legitimately claiming at the start of d1, i would also hint at potentially having more of a role. therefore, if i'm going to fakeclaim miller, i'm also going to do it. now, please stop being so dense.

kantrip, are you willing to use your ability on sokr? are you confident enough in your read on him to leave him to be ignored in endgame? he sure as hell isn't getting killed.

 

[Kantrip]

I read Gorf's posts like fifteen minutes ago, went to do something else, and then am back here now and forgot about Gorf's posts all over again. That's pretty bad

Using my ability on Sokr would mean we lynched Rajam so it would depend on Rajam's flip. On one side, I think Sokr is town and a Rajam townflip would put us in a really bad spot if Sokr is town. Then on the other end if Rajam is scum I still wouldn't really want to use it on Sokr.

What I want him to do is just keep playing and we can get a read as the game progresses that isn't a crapshoot.

 

[T-block]

do you think reading him will ever not be a crapshoot?

i guess you would oppose the decision to lynch him toDay then?

 

[Kantrip]

Yes I do oppose lynching him just because I think he's town.

I don't know how we managed it in Britches and Hose but we had him as solid town before he claimed so maybe if we just get some town tells we can do it.

 

[T-block]

ugh

vote: Sokr

Rajam (4) - Kantrip, July, Asianaussie, Sokr

T-block (1) - Gorf

Sokr (4) - Gheb, Jim Morrison, Rajam, T-block

Asdioh - Red Ryu

Not Voting - Mentosman, Asdioh

 

[T-block]

sokr, when you reread and did your summary on each player (what happened to that btw), you chose to do RR first, and then rajam. what was your reasoning for that order?

 

[Sokr]

That's the order I have my read list on my computer.

 

[Sokr]

And TB, as for the possible town of Rajam, I was really looking deep into intent. I didn't try that hard with you. I will get those reads done probably sometime this week. I have exams tomorrow so I'll be kinda busy.

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr is lying. He only has ONE exam tomorrow.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sokr, are you saying you think you immediately pinned me as scum with a meta-case ... even though you've played only one single game with me? The "isn't really involved in the game point" is a.) not true anymore by a long shot and b.) if it were true it'd have no bearing on my alignment. Did you know that I wasn't deeply involved in F&L Mafia either? Or in like any game since Pulp Fiction mafia? Compared to these games I've actually done quite a lot to get this Day phase moving on. Saying I'm not "really involved in the game" is complete BS and basically a parrot of some point somebody made about me earlier.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kantrip, my read on Sokr is absolutely not a crapshot, man. There's a difference between not agreeing with a case and completely discrediting it. I don't mind the former but I definitely do mind the latter because it's flat-out not true.

 

[Rajam]

You're really slow today, aren't you

That's not even the thought-inducing part of it all. But yes, that is the contradiction I am talking about. And no, the bait was more about the fact that claiming miller means claiming miller as a role. He even added flavor that only touched on miller status and no abilities. The bait was to see if his intent matched up as what I was reading it as.

See: It didn't.

Kantrip, do you base your suspicion on Tblock primarily on the contradiction you say there is?

Regardless of Tblock's gambit, of course he wouldn't confirm or deny if he had abilities besides his miller status. Also, since the gambit was focused on saying he was a miller, the fake flavor would be focused (almost) 100% only on that as well. I don't see a problem in that the fake flavor didn't address potential abilities

I can see why you consider Sokr town if you think T-block is scum, since it should be pretty obvious that Sokr =/= Tblock, but at the same time it would be really weird that neither of them is scum, so I think it's TvS. I think Sokr is scum so that implies I'm thinking now T-block is town

Hence I'm aiming now that you re-evaluate T-block's gambit and see it from the perspective that he only aimed at saying he was miller (when I say "saying he was", I'm referring to that he was just claiming miller status without confirming or denying eventual abilities), because his focus was at avoiding the NKill. Now that he claimed the gambit we all know it implies he has other ability/ies (if he hasn't then the gambit was unjustified and hence is scum), but obviously he wouldn't hint at that during the miller claim (neither confirm nor deny)

 

[Jim Morrison]

I am not even gonna read that, this guy is literally 4 days behind.

No matter what happens, he has got to die before D2 starts.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I really like JM's posts. From what I can see it's all legit scumhunting, good reads and general townie intent coming from that slot. I honestly don't see the scuminess that you guys see in him. I should probably do a more in depth analysis of him.

Oh okay cool thanks. I am actually telling you that you will have to because I will not let that go. Last page, you were already asked to elaborate on it, but you said you already explained it, even though it was a great excuse to look into me further.

Haha, just kidding, I know what you're doing:
You are scum making empty promises. You have no legit reason to think I'm townie. I haven't been playing an obvious townie game either. You just want to make people think you have some idea what you're saying, so you're saying you might do something in the near future.

You know, this reminds me of John2k4 in the game where I pinned him as mafia (Kantrip and T-block?), he was newbscum and he kept saying things like this.

Then, besides all that, your behaviour has been the most flippy-floppy I have ever seen (also reminscent of John"Newbscum"2K4). In every single post you make there's the buts and ifs and except and maybes and could-be's.

You are not going to be of any help.

Can we start moving in a lynch direction, I think the Day has generated more than enough discussion for us to move into D2.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I agree that Day can end soon. Lynch Sokr, if he doesn't flip scum Kantrip can blow up Rajam and cop takes care of people who didn't provide a lot of content.

 

[Rajam]

Gheb what's your read on Jim Morrison?

 

[Rajam]

I've also changed my mind and I don't want Kantrip to use his ability at all - never, unless a detailed number analysis supports it which I doubt so. I don't want Kantrip to use his ability regardless of who is lynched toDay and regardless of flip. If I'm lynched toDay and flip town, wait until the next Day to lynch Sokr or someone else. Using Kantrip's ability this early and with no cop results is deffinitely too hasty. My read on town Kantrip is stronger than my read on scum Sokr, and my read on scum Sokr is already strong but Kantrip town is my strongest read in the game.

Also, FoS at all the people that approved the usage of Kantrip's ability on either me or Sokr just because we're scummy. A cop result, for example, is far better reason to use Kantrip's ability (if we ever want to use it) than on any player with no cop result regardless of how scummy can be. Again, FoS at all the people that derailed from the initial agreements that Kantrip's ability should be used on cop results. My personal thought also is that you can force Kantrip to use his ability if he ever becomes more scummy than townie, and you have several reads of the kind "player A doesn't go with B, A goes with C and D, B goes with C but not with E", etc. Also no one has strongly voiced suspicion on the credibility of Kantrip's ability and I want to know who thinks either Kantrip's ability could be fake or that Kantrip's ability could not correspond to a town ability; I don't understand the support on Kantrip using his ability when no one has voiced any suspicion of the ones mentioned before, or offered a number analysis of why it would be convenient instead of following a normal course

Mega FoS @ Jim Morrison complaining and encouraging everyone to ignore every post I make in his effort to keep me high in the scum side, based on the argument that it's outdated when I've still asked presented several relevant issues regardless of game's advancement. I'm putting this in another color because if I flip I want this to be seen as outstanding and important. I think Jim Morrison is faking/forcing a tunneling mindset on me

Scum is among Skor/Jim Morrison, then asianaussie, then Gorf, in that order imo

 

[T-block]

rajam, are you "caught up" for real

 

[T-block]

That's the order I have my read list on my computer.

how did that order come about

 

[Rajam]

rajam, are you "caught up" for real

I've only skimmed the last pages, mainly name-searching myself, or if I caught any claim/significant "revelation", or any important twist to the game. My detailed read is by page 9 (40ppp)

 

[Rajam]

Just too much pointing at T-block, lots of what has already been said I agree with. If you feel the need for me to compile everything I agree with and justify my vote, just ask so!

Unvote
Vote: T-blcok

If you are town, I will not weep.

@mod: Requesting votecount

Why not immediatly pointing out which things specifically do you agree with, instead of waiting for someone else to ask for?

btw I ask now if you still have some sort of scum read on T-block based on (some of) the same things you considered T-block scum by this time here (and which would be the points that remain of course). Basically, I'm asking if you have something "new" on T-block after this post if you still consider T-block scummy. Quote if you think you've already gave a response to this.

 

[Jim Morrison]

btw I ask now if you still have some sort of scum read on T-block based on (some of) the same things you considered T-block scum by this time here (and which would be the points that remain of course). Basically, I'm asking if you have something "new" on T-block after this post if you still consider T-block scummy. Quote if you think you've already gave a response to this.

You'll come by it when you're reading up, I'm not finding quotes for you because you are lagging 3 days behind. When you are caught up I'll be nicer.

 

[Rajam]

asianaussie, address my #379

Why didn't you respond it earlier? It was a pretty direct question since I was directly quoting you...

 

[Asdioh]

how did that order come about

The Players

1. Red_Ryu
2. Rajam
3. Sokr
4. mentosman8
5. Jim Morrison
6. adisoh
7. T-block
8. Gheb_01
9. Gorf
10. AsianAussie
11. Kantrip
12. July

gosh

I've only skimmed the last pages, mainly name-searching myself, or if I caught any claim/significant "revelation", or any important twist to the game. My detailed read is by page 9 (40ppp)

^ this isn't scummy, btw. I do the same thing all the time if I'm not completely caught up.

 

[Rajam]

unvote
vote: Jim Morrison

T-block, do you remember when Omni was responding me in very similar ways to my requests to him in SMRPG?

 

[Asdioh]

Heavily disagree with ending the day ASAP. I think the Day's focus has been a bit tunnel-minded, and certain players (Rajam and Gorf come to mind) still haven't completely caught up. I also want to see more from Red Ruy.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Okay you caught me, I am actually Omni!

 

[Rajam]

lmao I read this:

Okay you caught me, I am actually Omni scum!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I got this after some LoL.

 

[Rajam]

Analysis of Gheb's #354:

My first impression is: I agree. Let me further the analysis by showing some other stuff:

First three quotes, combined:

If we're gonna lynch somebody, there's no point for Kantrip to use his ability. The only time he would use it now is if he desperately believes he needs to kill someone that isn't being lynched, or if we can't reach a majority vote.

Why?

Townie Points? Claiming this is basically getting him out of the pressure that was on him and saying "Hey! I can be useful to town!"

AA, why do you think Kantrip is town?

Kantrip, I don't believe it. It seems very likely of you to pull of a gambit.

I don't find any quote much scummy by itself, but combining the three we have this:

The first quote establish a precedent: Sokr's initial reaction shows he actually believed Kantrip's ability, and that's sorta consistent with his later responses in which he seems to only doubt Kantrip's alignment, not his ability. Nonetheless, the way he is proposing how Kantrip should use his ability in the 1st quote indicates Sokr thinks Kantrip is town imo, otherwise, there isn't much sense on why letting Kantrip choosing by his own free will. This impression is obviously contradictory with the next two quotes in which Sokr clearly shows he isn't believing much Kantrip as town.

Is this scummy? imo, the lack of explanations in this shift is what makes Sokr scummy; he made the shift towards Kantrip not-town in the most hidden way possible. Note that the first two quotes are consecutive posts of Sokr, confirming the lack of explanations on the shift

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It should be clear at this point that I'm willing to lynch both Jim Morrison and Sokr so my vote will move freely between them

 

[Jim Morrison]

I got this after some LoL.

You seem to think because you are miller you don't have to care about this game? This is the 3rd time you're saying "I'll look into this game after..."

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb what's your read on Jim Morrison?

Null leaning scum

 

[Rajam]

that is actually a fascinating observation that i completely missed

wouldn't it be cute if this was a guus-rajam scum team slip? is it just coincidence that his words happened to align with rajam's antics in a game he wasn't in?

I wasn't even the one joking with Rebecca Black in SMRPG

 

[T-block]

The Players

1. Red_Ryu
2. Rajam
3. Sokr
4. mentosman8
5. Jim Morrison
6. adisoh
7. T-block
8. Gheb_01
9. Gorf
10. AsianAussie
11. Kantrip
12. July

gosh

^ this isn't scummy, btw. I do the same thing all the time if I'm not completely caught up.

oh okay lol

nvm that then

unvote
vote: Jim Morrison

T-block, do you remember when Omni was responding me in very similar ways to my requests to him in SMRPG?

i guess? but that really didn't have to do with omni being scum... it was because you were being anti-town. townies were saying the same thing about your play that game, if you recall, rajam.

I wasn't even the one joking with Rebecca Black in SMRPG

iirc you did partake in the shenanigans

i'm gonna drop this though... i don't think it's going anywhere.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Heavily disagree with ending the day ASAP. I think the Day's focus has been a bit tunnel-minded, and certain players (Rajam and Gorf come to mind) still haven't completely caught up. I also want to see more from Red Ruy.

Are you expecting any of these players to catch up before the Day ends anyway? Everytime they read, more posts get added. IF they catch up, it will be at Night.

I hope they will prove me wrong and come in with something soon, though.

 

[Rajam]

to be honest, i picked him first because i wanted to see if he would OMGUS literally everyone who voted him again, because that was hilarious lol. his first posts did not make me feel good about him at all though.

he may have had the entire scum team in his reads, but he literally had them there in a massive OMGUS reaction to people voting him for continuing RVS well past its due. ie- for all the wrong reasons. i don't recall him doing anything fantastic in the rest of the game either - we lost that game because hilt somehow managed to redirect to kills back onto us lol

My OMGUSdar tells me Jim Morrison is scum

No but seriously, among the people who has been on me, I think he is the one with the most scummy intentions for pushing me, for the reasons I put in yellow color in a post I did earlier. For example I don't think Kantrip is scum, and with your "second claim" plus your general play (other than your miller gambit -_-), I don't think you're scum either anymore and I don't think you had scummy intentions for accusing me, but I want to know why you moved me from "useless" to "scummy" at the very beginning of the game though :/

 

[Jim Morrison]

No but seriously, among the people who has been on me, I think he is the one with the most scummy intentions for pushing me, for the reasons I put in yellow color in a post I did earlier. For example I don't think Kantrip is scum, and with your "second claim" plus your general play (other than your miller gambit -_-), I don't think you're scum either anymore and blabla

What are you even saying. That for example didn't even make sense, and didn't pertain to me.

If I was making you out to be scum, Rajam, would I not have voted you and advocated EVERYONE to vote for you? I am calling you useless, your scumminess isn't that high imo. You are just so useless at this point, your lynch would hardly make a difference except clear up your slot, something I'd gladly do.

You also have hardly done anything to help the game's advancement. If anything, you constantly keep making us read back and fall back into stuff we've already discussed before, and more often than not do you bring up stuff that was already answered a few pages later than what you were reading.