[WA] Perth Smash Thread

[ichigo601]

brawl discussion turned to disscussion about god lol. Do we have a set date for the next tourney?

 

[MTGod]

but theoretically it was impossible to fuse two heliums together for some reason I can't remember.

I think (not sure, though) it's because Helium has a full valence electron shell, and ergo cannot gain or lose electrons to bond with other atoms... Of course, that's only an argument for bonding, but I'd assume that if an atom cannot bond there would be no way for them to remain close enough to fuse

God

To be honest, I don't really care if there is a God... I actually think that most if not all people do not care if there is a God... I think people choose religious belief and communities because it gives them hope in something better... Hope that despite all the **** that is happening in the world, there is a better place to go to afterwards... Hope that there is someone constantly watching their back and making sure terrible things don't happen to them...

Everyone who tries to prove religion wrong is an *******... Everyone who tries to prove religion right is an *******... Arguing over whether religion is right or wrong is exactly the same as arguing whether being a hippie or homosexuality is right or wrong - it's someone's life choice, and as long as it doesn't affect you then you should let them have the freedom to choose... Hell, if someone chooses to believe that there is a holy banana ****ting sprinkles on everyone's ice-creams then why should we deny them that choice???

(That being said, "religious" people who actively go out and preach to non-religious folk, as I said are *******s, and deserve all the **** they get thrown at them...)

Theoretically, if you can create a controlled burst of tachyons (a tachyon rifle, if you will) you could kill the first humans and any near human species and completely annihilate human evolution.

I don't do Physics, so what's a tachyon ?? High speed particle???

 

[Pete278]

Oh, also, to solve the religion chat in an appropriate manner with a bash.org quote!

* Professor sets mode: +m
<Professor> Listen up, people.
<Professor> 1.) Religion-chat is done, since we're degenerating into bickering.
<Professor> 2.) Goombas are traitorous members of the Mushroom Kingdom who joined Koopa for a share of the power. It says so in the SMB manual.

EDIT: Also, helium fuses all the time in stars. Assuming the universe is expanding, then at the beginning the temperature and pressure would both be infinite, thus preventing while simultaneously enabling helium to fuse. Hell, if you expand 'it can't bond in nature ergo it can't fuse' to all noble gases, we can make Xenon, Krypton and Argon react via concentrated radiation. I'm pretty sure stars are capable of it.

EDIT EDIT: Tachyons are particles/waves that exceed the speed of light, thus their mass is imaginary and their four-velocity is backwards (in other words, for every second that passes for you, -1 second passes for them. Thus, they go back in time).

 

[MTGod]

Hell, if you expand 'it can't bond in nature ergo it can't fuse' to all noble gases, we can make Xenon, Krypton and Argon react via concentrated radiation. I'm pretty sure stars are capable of it.

That's why I wasn't sure - Physics ~= Chemistry

 

[Pete278]

That's why I wasn't sure - Physics ~= Chemistry

In fact, we have created some Xenon compounds stable up until about 260 degrees, off memory. Its only a matter of time before we get them more and more stable.

 

[Technodeath]

physics is a wonderful thing isnt it. shame i didnt study it at school :/

 

[Marteh]

Awww I missed out on the argument..**** YOU SLEEPING HABBITS! Still I don't know if God exists or not, but the big bang theory makes no sense at all to me . First there was nothing, then it exploded.....WHAT?

Oh and my two questions,
- If god made us after himself, aren't we gods?
- If the devil punishes bad people, does that make him good?

 

[MTGod]

- If the devil punishes bad people, does that make him good?

It makes him hideously overworked

 

[Pete278]

Basically, there was nothing because if you compress something into an infinitely small space, its not really considered something. However, having anti-matter and matter compressed into an infinitely small space with all the energy in existence is a bad idea, and it would've caused an explosion of massive proportions. Energy and matter tries to move from areas of high concentration to low concentration, low concentration in this case being outside the universe. Thus, the massive heat and light produced tries to push the universe outwards in order for it to escape. It can't, though, and merely expands the universe to an area that's not infinitely small. Thus, everything now exists due to it not being infinitely small.

EDIT: Be aware, its only 'nothing' by regular terms. If its there, its obviously something, and science calls it a singularity. But, really, you shouldn't be worried about something infinitely small because if you're that close to it, you're already dead.

 

[Technodeath]

i believe in zombies. but nothing else.

discuss

 

[Sieg]

Being infinitely small.

I wonder what that would be like.

Just like what life would be like if there was only light or shadow.

 

[Technodeath]

it'd feel as though you're on drugs, but permanently i'd say

 

[Pete278]

I'm pretty sure it'd be like regular life, except you'd be dead.

 

[Sieg]

Well, would you be dead?

I mean, it could be possible to exist. It's just that you couldn't really recognize your existence.

Which in turn could be just the same as not existing lol.

 

[Pete278]

Well, would you be dead?

I mean, it could be possible to exist. It's just that you couldn't really recognize your existence.

Which in turn could be just the same as not existing lol.

Its smaller than light, remember. You can't just make matter out of nothing.

 

[Technodeath]

i get the feeling Sieg loves us

 

[Corpsecreate]

I feel that too many religions are twisting the bible and it's 'preachings' to be used for their own purposes and constantly 'revising' it to suit their own reasons_ This immediately destroys any reason to believe what is being taught to you as you have no evidence that the revised edition is anything like the original.

The bible actually says that in the end times (the times we live in) that churches will change rules and laws within the bible to suit themselves. A perfect example of this is people going to Church on Sunday, which is supposed to be the Sabbath...even though the Sabbath is Saturday. There will be 2 types of churches, the 'false' church and the 'real' church, the false church being the one that has changed the bible and the real one being based purely on the bible.

The bible doesn't say not to drink, not to live your life, not to be gay, not to be racist, it doesn't say if i don't accept god i can't go to heaven because god is meant to be all forgiving, it doesn't say if you are a christian you will automatically go to heaven.

It actually does.

Does god exist_? I don't know and i won't know until i am proven otherwise_

You will never be proven that God does or does not exist. If there were proof that God existed it would defeat the purpose of Faith and the only religion in the world would be christianity. A lot of people are uneducated about the bible and it's what causes them to instantly reject religious beliefs.

The point is that humans and the Universe came from SOMETHING. Its impossible for our brain to comprehend something coming from nothing which is why the beginning of time is so hard to establish. You need far more faith to believe that random explosions in space involving rocks created living human beings that inherently feel guilty if you kill another human. Random explosions that perfectly situated our planet from the Sun so that we're not too close to die of heat and not too far to die of cold. Random explosions that resulted in Ice being the only substance that lowers in density when freezing, otherwise the ice caps would sink under water and raise the sea level too high. Random explosions that holds our solar system in place and by chance makes it so we see the same side of the moon every night (the mathematics behind this happening is scary).

There are countless more 'unlikely facts' caused by random collisions in space and lets not forget the absolute perfect predictions the bible has prophesised that have ALL come true.

I'm a logical person, I'm sure you know this, my understanding of religion and sciences leads me to believe that God exists and that everything in the Bible is true. I dont have proof of this, I never will but personally, I dont need it.

 

[Pete278]

Of all the size of the universe and the multiverse, you need no faith at all to believe a mathematically possible outcome occurred given an infinite number of cases. Plus, the properties of water aren't that important. If, for instance, we had alot less ocean, then we wouldn't need the ice caps to float. Hypothetical organisms on Titan will drink ammonia, and they won't need solid ammonia to float because the oceans aren't going to flood Titan anyway.

And seriously, does nobody else agree with me on the Cthulhu thing? Mathematically, you can explain global warming with 'he's waking up'. You're all going to regret not listening to me!

 

[MTGod]

I believe that, when I die, there will be an actual mountain of Japanese RPGs, Dessert Pocky and squash racquets for me to wade through until the end of time

EDIT: I own Cthulu on many video games, so I'm pretty sure I'll own him when he wakes up here too... Japan just wouldn't build up my false hope like that

 

[Corpsecreate]

Of all the size of the universe and the multiverse, you need no faith at all to believe a mathematically possible outcome occurred given an infinite number of cases. Plus, the properties of water aren't that important. If, for instance, we had alot less ocean, then we wouldn't need the ice caps to float. Hypothetical organisms on Titan will drink ammonia, and they won't need solid ammonia to float because the oceans aren't going to flood Titan anyway.

Ah yes but with infinite time I dont ever expect the value of 1 to be equal to 2. Thats because its impossible. Just like I dont expect Rocks to eventually become intelligent living creatures.

 

[MTGod]

(My attempts at lightening up this conversation is not working well T.T)

 

[...Ellipsis...]

Im bored and I find these discussions interesting. Also the reason ice is less dense than water is due to hydrogen bonding of water molecules. It means that when water freezes it expands (cause of the hydrogen bonding) and takes up a larger area than liquid water, when usually the converse is true. Did God make the chemistry behind hyrdrogen bonding, I don't have an answer to that. Also there are many other theories as to why the big bang took place. One theory however is that our whole universe is just a computer construct of some super advanced race in 'another' universe, did anyone else see this docuentary I thought it was quite interesting. Another theory I believe was that our universe is like a giant cell like structure and there are others of these cell like structures and when they collide they can cause big bangs/ big cruches etc. Quite an interesting show.

 

[Muzga]

Ah yes but with infinity time I dont ever expect the value of 1 to be equal to 2. Thats because its impossible. Just like I dont expect Rocks to eventually become intelligent living creatures.

given the fact that human life exists its existence is possible. nobody said anything about magical living rocks or anything akin to that. not sure what youre actually trying to say here

As for me, im kinda similar to bob in that respect. i was born into a catholic family that went to church and all that but i never really believed in god. I spent 12 years going to church pretending to believe in something to keep my family happy. I realised i was going for the wrong reasons so i stopped going. the experience made me kinda dispassionate about the idea of religion and questions regarding the beginning of the universe.

If you ask me, discussing the beginning of the universe is redundant because all you ever get is a pile of beliefs or theories that contradict each other and no solid conclusion. that is how every discussion on the matter is going to be, all i do is see the flaws in the arguments people put forward.

Id like to be able to blindly accept things like the theory of evolution or invest all of my faith into some religion but im just not capable of that.

 

[MTGod]

Im bored and I find these discussions interesting.

Fair enough - all interest for me has been dissipated due to the amount of times I've had this conversation with people, and there has never been an answer other than "I guess we all believe different things" (which often leaves a bitter taste int he mouth)...

I'll shut up until the conversation's over

 

[...Ellipsis...]

I don't really like getting involved in the discussions because it does always end the same way although I like reading them. I'll leave now and you can go back to talking about brawl. Bye.

 

[Pete278]

The only real way to understand the beginning of the universe is via the eventual tachyon technology humanity will build out of its unstoppable curiosity. I predict that, in the far future, not only will humanity be unrecognisable due to natural evolution, they'll be unrecognisable due to our own artificially induced evolution, building ourselves into a perfect weapon. That's what anti-matter will lead to, that's what tachyons will lead to, that's what anything and everything will lead to. Even our existence is only due to nature's hunt for the perfect predator.

(This is what you get for ignoring my rants about Cthulhu. A horribly nihilistic, yet completely true, statement).

 

[Technodeath]

Pete, you should go work for some secret organisation

 

[Pete278]

...This conversation is over.

 

[Corpsecreate]

 

[Marteh]

__

TRIFORCE'd!

 

[Pete278]

__

TRIFORCE'd!

These toys are too much for you! I demand you return them to me!

 

[Jupz]

I would have added to petes points but i was at an exam but hes right

 

[Pete278]

There's not much you could've added. 'These toys are too much for you! I demand you return them to me!' is already the entire quote before the boss battle. I mean, you could add his dying lines, but still.

 

[Technodeath]

i dont bother adding to arguments, i'll just get made look stupid by Pete

 

[Alzi]

God is real.

Most things in the bible are story telling.

Yes there was a boy and a girl made first but no there names were not adam and eve. If you get what i am going at.

ALSO GUYS REMEBER THAT TWITTER THING THAT CHARLES DID AND THEN THEY REMOVED IT FROM HIM SAYING THERES A CRAZY FUN NEW MARIO GAME COMING OUT SOON? IF YOU WERE LIKE ME AND KNEW IT WAS A MARIO PARTY 9 THEN YES BE PROUD AND HAPPY WITH ME BECAUSE IT'S COMING AND IT'S CALLED:

Mario Party: Korokoro Catcher

Made by Capcom too. I guess capcom is the new Rare ware this era.

 

[Pete278]

I'm sorry, but really, you should never use 'If you get what I'm going at' in an argument, ever. Its the biggest fallout in an argument ever.

 

[Jono!]

Gods not real. Don't really feel like describing it now.

But there are these things called the 27 mysteries or something my science teacher was telling me. Like two hydrogens fused together to form helium (at the very beginning of the universe) but theoretically it was impossible to fuse two heliums together for some reason I can't remember. But it happened anyway and the rest of the elements were made from there.

Amazing post Bob. I would post a lot but I've got exams!!!!!!!!!

How did the hydrogens get there in the first place then.

Sorry i missed this debate and i wanted to be part of it so ill just leave it at that.

 

[Vlade]

As for stereotypes: I'm the token asian guy. Nuff Said :D

Anyway my take on theism (please remember I do philosophy so I am very knowledgeable about this topic, but I'd like to say this):

The problem of innocent suffering renders theism implausible.

*insert massive essay I've written on this*

 

[Alzi]

Science is all bull**** imo lol.

I don't want to be part of the argument. I'm just those guys who pop in and say a few words then leave.

 

[Vlade]

I'll make myself more clear on my position

Theists hold that God is omnipotent and benevolent. Though I maintain that theistic belief is irrational, I accept that such belief may still correspond to an external state of affairs, namely the existence of God. So, the belief may be true, but I am claiming that such belief does not make sense.