[WA] Perth Smash Thread

[Marteh]

i am probably going to pull a marty

YES! I have created a trend! <3

Oh and today in my random searches I found this out
"King Dedede can infinite chain grab every character in the game (including Jigglypuff) on the moving platform if he is facing the direction the platform is moving."
This is referring to the platform on smashville, which that in itself is a good reason to requestion it's neutral-ness..Although I guess most people can chain grab on neutrals, it's still something consider.

 

[Pete278]

Yeah, I'm not really going to quote all that. Go read it yourself.

Lucas is only 40-60 against MK, which, as I've said, is an easily winnable matchup, so, no johns.

 

[ichigo601]

hey all haven been on here in a while been hell busy. Ill b coming on sunday but probs real late and just for singles. However glenn will b coming for the whole thing anyone wanna team with him for doubles? he'll b playing IC's or some tier whoreish character lol, cya sunday

 

[Bsrk_]

Hmm you have all been quite busy_ Firstly on Jupz comment_ Play who you feel most comfortable with_ Metaknight shouldn't get everyone so upset because it's a matchup we do need to know and that people should be comfortable in dealing with_ Dealing with learning new characters is never easy and because of this i find some people move up the tier list_

Sometimes you feel burnt out or bored of a character and it happens_ Sometimes you need a break or change of play to get you back into the mindframe and enjoyment of a game_ I personally experienced this when switching from Olimar_ I wasn't playing as well as i could/ should have and letting my weaknesses overcome me_ In the end, a change is what made me stronger and a better player_

I personally went down the tier list because i felt that i enjoyed Shieks playstyle the most out of all the cast_ Although it was a choice lower in the tier, it taught me to learn my matchups and play smarter than my opponent_ This should always be a given regardless of any character you choose_

You should enjoy the playstyle but know your weaknesses_ As commented to Tails previously, this may require secondaries, and always counterpicks_ Don't ever feel pressured into the mindframe that by choosing a character higher in the tier list will make you win_ You need to truly understand that characters strengths and weaknesses before you can begin to even progress and achieve a higher level of performance_

I use Vlade as an example here_ He plays Falco because he wants to be the best he can_ He has shown us perfectly well that he can play MK and IC competitively and very well, but in the end he chooses not to_ This is because he enjoys Falco and enjoys the challenge/ playstyle of being Falco_ Same with Sam and playing TL over Snake_ He could play Snake but why_? If you truly enjoy a character, you will do everything in your power to overcome any difficulties that you will immediately be faced with_

Although character choice may have an exterior appeal and advantage, it ultimately comes down to the player_ That's ultimately your choice_ In the end, all we can do if call you gay, tier ***** and various over comments to degrade you mentally and emotionally_ Which we will_ Oh yes we will_

 

[ichigo601]

if anyone has any interest in melee or watching melee matches at all you must watch this whole set now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atJKXt1taMg&feature=related.....a bit old but i handt seen it lol, dont read any of the comments it will ruin it and watch all of the sets, by far the best set of matches i have ever watched in melee or brawl

 

[Technodeath]

i reckon, if sam actually did play snake as his main.. he'd be the Ally of australia

 

[Corpsecreate]

But my snake sux

 

[MTGod]

Okay Trav, what I'll do is rock up at like 12:30... If you've already started singles by then I'll just hang around for an hour or so I'll just need to take my mind of the studying lol...

At the above link, man that Peach is crazy... So many turnips.......

 

[Technodeath]

but you, as a player own face

 

[Shaya]

Lucas is only 40-60 against MK?

I... severely...
doubt....
that...

a lot....

 

[Technodeath]

i dont see why it's so doubtful? he's probably less prone to gimps and all that crap, his dair would be quite useful i imagine.. and PKF. i wouldnt know crap. but it cant be as bad as you think it is

 

[MTGod]

Well, I just tested it against a Level 9 Computer, and I won about half the matches... Given that I'm only a smidge better than Level 9 computers (only because of their predictability ) I'm tempted to agree with the 40-60 match-up - maybe 35-65... That being said, all MK has to do is 'nado chain to win, since Lucas has nothing that can break him out of it (aside from a dtilt and ftilt but you only have a very small period to use it, and can only use it in close range - Ftilt is better coz of the knockback)...

Take 'nado out of the game and it becomes quite a fair match-up ^^ The Dair though isn't as good as it is against most other characters: firstly, MK CANNOT be spiked... and on top of that, MK's Usmash (for some God awful reason) has the same range than Lucas' Dair, making it useless to use as a recovery strategy when above MK... As for an aerial approach, FH Dair seems more effective than SH Nair against MK, which pisses me off majorly as the SH Nair Lucas approach is quite possibly my favourite move in Brawl T.T Still, approaching with a FH on any stage other than SV and FD is quite situational (or so it seems, given platforms being in the way...)

MK is too fast/small to use PK Fire effectively on... Though if you can land a Fsmash on a ~75% MK, he's pretty much dead And Lucas' Dsmash MIGHT be able to catch people off guard given the triple hit...

I accidentally knowledge... is this bad???

 

[Hobobloke]

Level 9 CPU's are not accurate for matchups.

 

[Bsrk_]

Level 9 CPU's are not accurate for matchups.

Quoted for truth_

 

[MTGod]

Level 9 CPUs are not accurate for match ups

But... But... But..........

Bah, I can't argue with that I guess... Sadly...

Still, if you can't beat an AI with an attack, surely that means you won't be able to use it on an actual player, right?

EDIT: Curtin makes me angry.......

 

[Technodeath]

Curtin makes me angry.......

i suggest getting blinds then

 

[MTGod]

*boom tish*

 

[Pete278]

Lucas is only 40-60 against MK?

I... severely...
doubt....
that...

a lot....

MK is a jack of all trades, good at everything and -should- be best at none, but is so good at them all that it doesn't matter. He hasn't got absurd infinites that turn 60-40s into 90-10s, he hasn't got absurd projectiles that force bad approaches to approach and die, and he hasn't got massive range with disjointed hitboxes to force everyone close. He's got the tools to be the best and be better than everyone, but he hasn't got the tools to have absurd matchup ratios like Dedede or IC because he doesn't own so much at one aspect of the game that anyone else who tries to play that aspect gets dominated. Thus, all his matchups are in his favour, but none are WOAH 80-20 UNWINNABLE GAMES (except Ganondorf and Falcon).

Tyr giving M2K a run for his money proves the fact its a close matchup, as well.

 

[Marteh]

So I really feel with all my assignments due I shouldn't of ditched tafe to hang out with jeni...But come on, hanging out with a chick > tafe...Settled

So yeah, hopefully I'll have enough time to get all my stuff done and come to the tourney, I want to play Sam in ddr again

 

[Technodeath]

the ***** is getting to your head marty, RESIST IT

 

[Pete278]

So I really feel with all my assignments due I shouldn't of ditched tafe to hang out with jeni...But come on, hanging out with a chick > tafe...Settled

So yeah, hopefully I'll have enough time to get all my stuff done and come to the tourney, I want to play Sam in ddr again

loltafe.
The only way to get less of a degree is to apply for Philosophy at a Liberal Arts school.

 

[MTGod]

Edit: I Said Nothing

EDIT2: WTF Capitalisation correction????? ON A FORUM!?!?!?!?!

 

[Pete278]

It did it to me earlier, really saddens me I couldn't show my approval for Final Countdown.

 

[Hobobloke]

We can do anything you can do with her Marty!

Bob did say he had a girly bum.......

 

[Technodeath]

i've gotten a whistle while leaning over a water fountain getting a drink.. bout the best compliment i've had

 

[Alzi]

Bob reminds me of shiek. We all thought it was a boy but it really is a girl!. hahaah kidding.

So no one has posted this yet? PHEONIX WRIGHT IS COMING TO WII I REPEAT PHEONIX WRIGHT IS COMING TO WII. EITHER AS A DISC OR A WIIWARE TITLE.

I heard EB games has got some spirit tracks displays on i am going to ask them for them once they are done advertising it and i will put them in my room.

 

[Pete278]

What I want to know is why Nintendo didn't release Shadow Dragon on Wii as well, with a 'original loyal' version for DS and NEW SUPER AWESOME BILLIONS OF POSSIBILITIES BUILT OFF RADIANT DAWN SHADOW DRAGON AWESOME. I would've bought that instantly, instead I get 'Pretty much the same as FE7 but with Marth'.

 

[Mic_128]

Edit: I Said Nothing

EDIT2: WTF Capitalisation correction????? ON A FORUM!?!?!?!?!

lF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING!

 

[Pete278]

You're not a very good Senator you know, Mic.

 

[Hobobloke]

Rul es?

 

[Jupz]

Smashville is the fairest stage in the game marty lol.

 

[Alzi]

It's the most BS stage aswell.

Like seriously that stage is tiny.

One thing i loved about melee was how big the stages were compared to the characters. If only the stages were tiny bit bigger.

 

[MTGod]

One thing i loved about melee was how big the stages were compared to the characters. If only the stages were tiny bit bigger.

The stages needed to be bigger, as you're going so god****ed fast that sometimes you may end up sprinting a little too far either way

lF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING!

So if you include | it'll not change it???

Anyway, turns out we all have blue names on the Classic Blue forum skin... Neat

 

[Hobobloke]

On Smash Blue (the best that's not the god **** add ****ing free ****ing exclusive **** modskin) you're all grey.

 

[Shaya]

"MK is a jack of all trades, good at everything and -should- be best at none, but is so good at them all that it doesn't matter."

He has the most versatile recovery in the game. He has the most of the best disjointed moves in the game. He has the best air dodge. The best forward roll. The best uair. The 'best' priority (transcended, technically loses to super armour or moves with greater disjoints, refer before).

"He hasn't got absurd infinites that turn 60-40s into 90-10s,"
He is able to dash grab cg both Ness and Lucas to the ledge and then undeniably gimp them.

"he hasn't got absurd projectiles that force bad approaches to approach and die,"
He has some of the better evasive properties in the game. Including his ability to outzone just about every character in the game with his moveset (tilts, shuttle loop oos, tornado). Approaching MK is like signing your death warrant.

"and he hasn't got massive range with disjointed hitboxes to force everyone close."
Are you joking?

"He's got the tools to be the best and be better than everyone, but he hasn't got the tools to have absurd matchup ratios like Dedede or IC because he doesn't own so much at one aspect of the game that anyone else who tries to play that aspect gets dominated."

His aspects PER aspect beat out just about every character below high tier. Things like Aerial Mobility that he loses in, his other options trump dominantly. If a character has no safe approaches, and the character has no way to stop MK from approaching it, and then you have the characters who have no reliable kill set up on MK either. Just because the punishment from all three of those aspects that characters like ICs and D3 DEAL is severely worse, MK is more likely to force those punishments on you than those two characters.

"Thus, all his matchups are in his favour, but none are WOAH 80-20 UNWINNABLE GAMES (except Ganondorf and Falcon)."

Of course. But MK dominates bad/subpar characters in just about every aspect, as I've stated. A character who cannot at least beat out multiple aspects of MK has no chance in the match up; this is of course understanding that both players are playing at a high and similar level.

 

[Jono!]

Old- style quotinng. I LIKE IT! Take that technology

 

[Mic_128]

Rul es?

Screw the rules, I have podiums!

 

[Pete278]

"MK is a jack of all trades, good at everything and -should- be best at none, but is so good at them all that it doesn't matter."

He has the most versatile recovery in the game. He has the most of the best disjointed moves in the game. He has the best air dodge. The best forward roll. The best uair. The 'best' priority (transcended, technically loses to super armour or moves with greater disjoints, refer before).

I'd say Wario has the best air dodge, and his recovery doesn't beat Wario's by that much, although those two are undeniably better than everyone else. I'd argue the 'most' in the disjointed hitboxes (Turtle and Fishbowl are pretty **** good, off the top of my head), but he does have alot of very good ones, true.

"He hasn't got absurd infinites that turn 60-40s into 90-10s,"
He is able to dash grab cg both Ness and Lucas to the ledge and then undeniably gimp them.

Lucas and Ness have horrible anti-grab games (don't know how to put it) against most characters, so they should be used to not getting grabbed. Although, true, if he does pull the grab off, it is pretty free.

"he hasn't got absurd projectiles that force bad approaches to approach and die,"
He has some of the better evasive properties in the game. Including his ability to outzone just about every character in the game with his moveset (tilts, shuttle loop oos, tornado). Approaching MK is like signing your death warrant.

He can't really force an approach, though. Both players can pretty much just sit back and chill due to his lack of projectiles, and due to Lucas' (if used well) fairly safe projectiles, Lucas does have a better 'effective' range. Also, as far as I know, Lucas' dair's absurdly weird hitbox beats out Mach Tornado if spaced correctly.

"and he hasn't got massive range with disjointed hitboxes to force everyone close."
Are you joking?

If you think MKs range is massive, I don't know what to say. Its good, but its not really Snake-like.

"He's got the tools to be the best and be better than everyone, but he hasn't got the tools to have absurd matchup ratios like Dedede or IC because he doesn't own so much at one aspect of the game that anyone else who tries to play that aspect gets dominated."

His aspects PER aspect beat out just about every character below high tier. Things like Aerial Mobility that he loses in, his other options trump dominantly. If a character has no safe approaches, and the character has no way to stop MK from approaching it, and then you have the characters who have no reliable kill set up on MK either. Just because the punishment from all three of those aspects that characters like ICs and D3 DEAL is severely worse, MK is more likely to force those punishments on you than those two characters.

Yes, but in some matchups, his ability to force punishable options is lessened, and due to his lack of way to deal absurd damage as a punishment, he has to capitalize on those few times more than Dedede would. And with Lucas' (relatively) safe ways to outrange MK, there'll be even less opportunities to force a punish than against Bowser, as an example.

"Thus, all his matchups are in his favour, but none are WOAH 80-20 UNWINNABLE GAMES (except Ganondorf and Falcon)."

Of course. But MK dominates bad/subpar characters in just about every aspect, as I've stated. A character who cannot at least beat out multiple aspects of MK has no chance in the match up; this is of course understanding that both players are playing at a high and similar level.

Lucas can compete on enough levels for it to not be that horrible of a matchup, though. I'm not saying MK shouldn't be top, or its in Lucas' favour, its just not that bad of a matchup (although Lucas prob. should be a bit higher than he is now).

 

[Alzi]

Pete remeber. A good metaknight will always gimp and **** off stage like mad.

So basically it's very unlikley a link, ness, lucas, marth and many more will make it to the ledge to grab on while metaknight is there opposing them from it.

For the sam being Australia's Ally lol i don't think so. There are people over east who have way better snakes then sam does. But he has a **** toon link which is all that matters .

 

[Jupz]

... MK's Dtilt outranges everything except for like DK's down B and Dedede's Ftilt. MK's recovery ***** wario. You can hit wario out of his bike, leaving him helpless. Also Uair and Utilt->Dair. What can Lucas do if MK just sits there. If Lucas has the lead then he can just sit there and retreat PK fires until the end of the stage. Then hes stuck. Or MK can Dtilt him perfectly safely and force a reaction from Lucas then capatilize on it. He forces lucas to move first.