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Victory is My Destiny - MK Video and Critique Thread
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KassandraNova
Smash Master
SO MANY THINGS TO CRITIQUE! I'll try my best to give some feedback on some of these vids later. Only on the match ups that I'm familiar with though. :x
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
lmao pwii ur playstyle is too funny 2nd game
Toneh
Smash Lord
Matches from ceo last weekend.
Anyone wanna critique this one. I thought I did pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXUFRGC6gIs
Btw, if anyone wants to see me lose to an IC's on brinstar watch this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5hJHkQZ6EE&feature=channel_video_title
Anyone wanna critique this one. I thought I did pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXUFRGC6gIs
Btw, if anyone wants to see me lose to an IC's on brinstar watch this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5hJHkQZ6EE&feature=channel_video_title
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
So I have a few videos to be critiqued. All 3 of us in these videos would like to be evaluated 
We realize our MKs need a lot of work but that's why we're here. These are all MK dittos also. So we're looking for what we're doing right and wrong. Thanks in advance.
All 3 of these links are 3 friendlies between each of us:
Note: It looks like the audio and video got desynched somehow in the first 3 minutes of Set 1. Just a heads up. Dammit it happens in Set 2 also.
Tech_Chase vs Gifts
JontheMesa vs Tech_Chase
Gifts vs JontheMesa
This is a good 35 ish minutes worth of footage altogether. Thanks in advance.
- TC
We realize our MKs need a lot of work but that's why we're here. These are all MK dittos also. So we're looking for what we're doing right and wrong. Thanks in advance.All 3 of these links are 3 friendlies between each of us:
Note: It looks like the audio and video got desynched somehow in the first 3 minutes of Set 1. Just a heads up. Dammit it happens in Set 2 also.
Tech_Chase vs Gifts
JontheMesa vs Tech_Chase
Gifts vs JontheMesa
This is a good 35 ish minutes worth of footage altogether. Thanks in advance.
- TC
Orion*
Smash Researcher
only watched the first game but
you dashed in // glided in two blindly I think IMO
honestly, sometimes it rewarded you really well but from watching it at my perspective I felt like you just weren't calm during this match
iRJi
Smash Champion
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Watch mineeee e=[
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
and mine !!!
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
and mine !!!
Orion*
Smash Researcher
hit me on aim later if you want we can just skype and talk about if you want. I haven't gotten to really chat with you in a while anyway
are you home when I get back in august? :3
also...
**** u 5 people comboing me. MY TIME IS VALUABLE BY THE SECOND
I could be planking computers you know
If anyone Really wants me to take a look let me know though
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
In all seriousness I would like you to critique my mk. I know I have a habit of fairing into peoples shield's (especially against Tech.) But I am looking to improve big time. Just note there are some retarted moments so feel free to face palm if you wish.
Gifts vs JontheMesa
Tech_Chase vs Gifts
Gifts vs JontheMesa
Tech_Chase vs Gifts
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
I could use some critique as well. Otherwise Gifts and I are gonna have to go Detroit up in this thread.
Seriously though it would be appreciated.
Seriously though it would be appreciated.
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Jesus...I could use some critique as well. Otherwise Gifts and I are gonna have to go Detroit up in this thread.
Seriously though it would be appreciated.
Alright, I saw all I needed in the first match.
Tech, why do empty short hop so much? A good/decent MK would rip that apart. It leaves you open for a dash grab, running GSL or Fair.
Also, why do you run in then run so far away or go in then roll away? Again, another bad habit you should axe.
I didn't see one Up-B OoS, this move is great in the ditto and it's something you could have been using to punish Fair on block instead of trying to Nair which as you can see doesn't work when spaced right, if you have tap jump on it's super easy, and you don't then you'll have to come up with a controller scheme like I did to give you the ability to do so.
Uhh what else... Work on edge guarding and playing off stage, these are friendlies, don't be afraid to lose stocks quickly or even SDing. Friendlies are for learning and getting better, grabbing control of your character, and working on your tech skill.
Work on your recovery, you had the right ide when you Nado'd back to the stage, but if you'd have done it from the proper height you could have cancelled all your ending lag into an offensive or defensive move.
Work on using Up-B more offensively, I think I saw it used once out of the both of you. And if you're going to use it learn how to fast fall cancel it and learn when to not cancel it and end it in a attack or glide or whatever, you have many options.
That's all I'm really going to say for now, you guys mainly just need to research the character more, go read my guide I have on MK, there's a bunch to read.
And also go watch vids, I think I'm gonna record some stuff with Sync so we can show what mid level MK dittos look like, and also go watch some high level dittos, mostly stuff with M2K vs people like Anti/Nairo/Ally and others. There's even really good sets like Atomsk vs Shadow.
At this stage for your levels, videos are you best friend.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
stop DIing in at low percents, youll get ***** by followups
Nado unnecessarily
you jump WAY to much. stay grounded and learn to react.
Don't spot dodge unless you have to
FF you airs, learn your ledge options, practice your movement, space your tilts without hesitating. you look way to choppy//slow. At the speed your playing right now, someone can beat you by just out techskilling you.
Stay under people when juggling them, just because you have 4320942 jumps doesnt mean you should use them to get above or horizontal to your opponent.
You should learn to edge guard, but you also need to learn to ledge pressure... there's no mixups you go for some greedy nair/SL everytime.
Don't challenge people that are invincible..
Learn to properly use uair to juggle, and then punish airdodges/commitments. At least spam it with some spacing/thought to it
you can nado from like the middle of nowhere to get back onstage. you don't have to drill rush. in fact that move is kinda booty learn to down B properly.
Tech ill look at yours later
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZKgJzv1sc&feature=feedu
^^orion my mk tho
empty shorthops instill fear and fear is good.
^^orion my mk tho
empty shorthops instill fear and fear is good.
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
Much appreciated for the critique. I completley agree with you and have heard many people say my mk is slow. I never really used drill rush till these videos. But i will definetly keep in mind about learning how to down b more effectivly.
Any advice on mix ups on the ledge?
Any advice on mix ups on the ledge?
Dtilt/Fsmash/Dair are good and safe.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
Will get you laterz
I could write you a list... but that wouldn't really help you imo. Find your own, just mess around and see what you like. Also watch what other top players do lol.
@tech
You play to much like DDD and don't abuse the fact that you have a sword.
You don't have DDD's fast fall speed so you can't mix up as easily with the airdodges
Dash shield is a good approach, in fact if you can PS it really is gay in mid level play. But vs better MKs it's to committed without any other mixup.
Empty short hops are good as a bait. But the problem is once again a lack of mixups. Try fairing, or even dair if you see them rush in.
Full hop fair is a lot more situational... try and SH fair or get under them and Uair instead. FH has to much lag, especially in MK dittos.
Don't recover high
Only nair oos if you're 100% sure itll work, or you have a read or something. Not that safe and it's nice to keep it fresh. 18 or a kill move is always good, try more upbs or grabs or something.
Stop hitting people and then doing nothing like you should get a cookie. Go for a followup LMAO
You're on stage... he's offstage.... why did run to the other side? Get in ledge pressure
Don't dash away so much... walk or something at least. you give away stage control
Don't randomly jump on platforms. people will just go and uair you lol bad position
@gifts LMAO rage quitting
Orion*
Smash Researcher
I feel like you're talking about edge pressure and he's talking about getting from the ledge to the stage. O_o
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
Ya i get easily frustrated when i get hit by dumb **** haha. Or make silly mistakes i know i shouldnt have made. Hence the rage quits lewlewlewl.
And the funny thing when tech ran to tje other side of the stage i made a comment along he lines of, "wut i was even out of jumps haha."
And the funny thing when tech ran to tje other side of the stage i made a comment along he lines of, "wut i was even out of jumps haha."
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
@Orion: Thanks for your words...and man I am so bad off the stage vs MK that for right now I'd rather just run then attempt to pressure, screw up and then get ***** lol. Like Gifts usually ***** me off stage but I get him on stage because of my whole bait/powershield/punish mentality I get from maining DDD. You can clearly see it..lol
Like...Im not used to characters that dont have **** air mobility so MK feels a little awkward right now lol. It especially feels weird not having the beast fastfall speed to fall back on when im trying to land.
Also I still my cookie.
lol
Any advice for chasing MK off stage?
Like...Im not used to characters that dont have **** air mobility so MK feels a little awkward right now lol. It especially feels weird not having the beast fastfall speed to fall back on when im trying to land.
Also I still my cookie.
lol
Any advice for chasing MK off stage?
Orion*
Smash Researcher
I always do critiques. you just have to ask me to specifically do yours if that's what you want, I'm not taking my personal time out to do them when there are plenty of MKs to ask lol.Reposting this since people are actually doing critiques now
For friendlies you should still do it to learn what beats what, and what works experimentation, ect. Just not ALL the time.
Try buffering FFs or FF airdodges sometimes after your airs, you'll get to the ground quicker which is where you're best at. Also it just speeds your game up
Also I still my cookie.
Don't unless
A) you have a read
B) you massively outskill your opponent
C) they are in a Really bad position, pref. low on jumps so they just can't wait you out with uairs/potential SL.
D) you have a setup that gets you back to the ledge/stage really quickly, and you don't think your opponent will be able to punish you for it.
I.E. m2k going invinc. nair down to reverse SL. sweetspot // onstage
Super punishable.... But most people can't do it, so if they go to the right zone he can almost spam it sometimes LOL.
Also.
1) always be prepared to tech, you put yourself in a high risk high reward scenario you know it can happen (you know this from DDD though)
2) you're in control. you don't HAVE to go offstage. meaning that just acting like you're going is many times just as good, if not better because your opponent may commit and it conditions them.
3) because you're in control, despite it being such a tense moment, you need to learn to stay relaxed and fluid during it. practice your spacings at the ledge religiously, because messing them up is death
Orion*
Smash Researcher
You're like afraid or something. I'm 30 seconds into the vid but you keep shielding in anticipation of the banana throw. REACT.
Also practice hit confirms. you hit him with fair... he bounced up and then you like blocked or something lol
If you nado at someone and they legit run away from you, don't chase to hard...
you don't have to get like a reverse SL gimp. uair and keeping him in a bad position is good enough, take your time
stop spotdodging so much...
overall it's actually pretty good. you're main problem is that you really keep going for high risk high reward scenarious ALL the time. you get an advantage, but you give it away by letting him punish you because you go for inconsistent options.
stop like.. lol dashing into **** or letting him just fair at you.
also don't change your game plan to some weird airdodge **** at the end. do you honestly think you can win by camping and going for gimps? do it from the start. otherwise you just waste time lmao
if diddys in the air, and he doesnt have bananas out tornado is really useful for juggling once he starts to drop low
edit:
@ qb ill try and get you and RJ since he hasn't aimed me yet... pretty soon. mans gotta eat xD
Anaky
Smash Champion
Pocket Metaknight is godly.
iRJi
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iight, sounds good.hit me on aim later if you want we can just skype and talk about if you want. I haven't gotten to really chat with you in a while anyway
are you home when I get back in august? :3
also...
**** u 5 people comboing me. MY TIME IS VALUABLE BY THE SECOND
I could be planking computers you know
If anyone Really wants me to take a look let me know though
And of course I will be home when you get back, I wouldn't miss it =D
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
Thank you orion.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
inb4ifonlymyMarthsplayedlikethat
Orion*
Smash Researcher
xD
na chill
My Marth is pretty good actually. But anyway, it's hard for me to think option wise in that MU. Marth always has something he can do, even if it's greedy as ****, and I'm trying to rethink over for myself. So I don't want to give misleading or bad information.
I also think the matches are weird, because I've seen Nike before, and he looked pretty smart // laid back vs Razer. And here in this MM I feel like both players are kind of just throwing out **** trying to be greedy.
When you play that way, it's hard to give advice. I could just say don't play greedy. But that's just my way of interpreting the game, vs someone elses.
Why not critique how their greed could have still paid off and/or how to better condition toward the greedy stuff (e.g. how to condition people not to air dodge after a dash attack so that you can aerial Up-B gimp them)?
Orion*
Smash Researcher
in that case I might as well say "don't be as greedy"
I used to really like to give very specific option selects for critiques and to a certain degree it helps the player in one way. But at the same time, they don't have to look for those options themselves, and I really feel that something is taken away from them.
Like I honestly watches both multiple times
All I thought was
Don't glide directly onstage to recover.
Bad spotdodge/rolling habits (that pay off half the time because nike is messing up lol)
Stop attacking invincible opponents
Doesn't use uair to juggle at all
Overextends/over commits spacing to much (in other words poor spacing)
Bad airdodge habit after being thrown....
Upon revision you could have also punished nike for double jumping back onto the stage like every time LOL. = stock
You're also to flow chartable. You legitimately only use B moves 99% of the time in the same situation. Then you like uair/glide when you get hit want to get back to the stage.
You fair/dtilt/ftilt/grab only to space if Nike just runs into it
spotdodge/dsmash when scared
Dsmash to punish
You really have to learn to use your airs/tilts to become less punishable and more safe. That's just my opinion though.
There where also like. No nair punished. You SLed EVERYTIME. IMO, the best thing you can do atm is just play computers and try and expand your moveset and better your spacing.
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Joaco
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Vs. Diddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmpI50i2mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBhvJdopHx8
Vs. MK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZb--e7elE
Vs. Pit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZb--e7elE
I think I do a lot of tornado. Help me plz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmpI50i2mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBhvJdopHx8
Vs. MK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZb--e7elE
Vs. Pit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZb--e7elE
I think I do a lot of tornado. Help me plz
MJG
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuhKMLp2rw
I wouldn't suggest watching all of this...its PRETTY long but I would like a critique plz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68P9WHcGn0Y
I won this match as well as the other match in the first link but I would still REALLY appreciate any input plz.
We out.
I wouldn't suggest watching all of this...its PRETTY long but I would like a critique plz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68P9WHcGn0Y
I won this match as well as the other match in the first link but I would still REALLY appreciate any input plz.
We out.