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[VIC] Brawl Power Rankings (VERSION TEN) Updated LAST YEAR LOL

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tedeth

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I should be able to voice my oppinion and make my decision without authority like insults from you. K thanks.
should you?
what if your opinion is bad?
what if you are bad?
what if you are wrong, did you stop to consider that?
what if nobody really cares who is where on the PR?
its not the end of the world.

jei will chew you up and spit you out son
 

Ledge_g2

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should you?
what if your opinion is bad?
what if you are bad?
what if you are wrong, did you stop to consider that?
what if nobody really cares who is where on the PR?
its not the end of the world.

jei will chew you up and spit you out son
And what if you're wrong? Have you considered that?
The implication behind what you're saying can be applied anywhere and we would all be passive sheep that follows orders by people like you trying to make me feel doubt and bad about myself, I'm not stupid. I'm confident with my decision. I don't want to be on the pr, whatever place I get put doesn't make a difference anymore.

:phone:
 

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Wow drama

Gary man, it seems your asking why you dropped a rank when really the answer lies in why I went up. I hate that you're taking it this way, no offense but its making you look weak. Just sayin'.

It's like Toshi making a scene because Nicks surpassed him in rank when it's clear that Nicks had to go up somehow. Not that Toshi had been underperforming or anything, Nicks just deserved to rise a rank or twelve.
Seriously Nicks is on his way to #1 watch out scrub Attila.

But yeah, I really didn't want to comment seeing as though I am the culprit in this situation but I felt compelled to after some of these posts.

:phone:
 

Dekar289

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brawl pr panel is stupid ledge
it's like sebby being 10
they want to reward him for his improvement even though dekar is clearly still far superior
 

Ledge_g2

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Wow drama

Gary man, it seems your asking why you dropped a rank when really the answer lies in why I went up. I hate that you're taking it this way, no offense but its making you look weak. Just sayin'.

It's like Toshi making a scene because Nicks surpassed him in rank when it's clear that Nicks had to go up somehow. Not that Toshi had been underperforming or anything, Nicks just deserved to rise a rank or twelve.
Seriously Nicks is on his way to #1 watch out scrub Attila.

But yeah, I really didn't want to comment seeing as though I am the culprit in this situation but I felt compelled to after some of these posts.

:phone:
Im not asking why I dropped. I'm asking to not be apart of the pr. I don't agree with how the pr is organised. I'm not asking for it to change, I just don't want to be involved. There's only so much drama because you guys aren't accepting my decision. Instead, you're blaming it all on me being naive with how good I am. Believe what you want. Why is it so hard to be taken off the pr?

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If its really too much trouble to redo the pr without me, how about just leave me on this one but keep me off the future PRs? I think that's at least reasonable.

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Well, consider how seeding will work. You're asking to be taken off the PR but I assume you will still be attending tournaments?
We tried taking Attila off and it just sucked to work around it when it came to making brackets. Just do what Dean did and get knocked off the PR by underperforming lol.

I dunno Gary, I don't agree with giving people the option of being ranked or not. If you're active then you will be considered for the PR.
Alternatively you could just, you know, ignore the PR completely.

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If you are not Gary, then you may not want to read this post, but you might find it fun.

@Gary:
You didn't even coherently respond to what I said, and you took nothing on board from it.
You clearly can't see why Jei has gone above you, you can only see good points for yourself and you have made no effort to think about why you are where you are and what jei has done. If you cannot see that you and Jei are close in skill, then your judgement must be clouded.

This PR is supposed to inspire competition as well as let me make fancy artworks.
I am satisfied that you care this much. It's only sad that you take it in a negative aspect.

You choose to insult me and attempt to critique me as a person and make some bull**** claims about authority that are neither here or there. If you are going to attempt to attack me when the problem is one that clearly pertains to only you, then you could at least not be a wuss about that as well, but even this is a vague attempt.

You then try to dismiss this and act all cool with "K thanks". You have shown no consideration for other people, the other people who deserve to be on the PR, the people who worked to make the PR, and you act as if though you have authority yourself. You don't own this forum. You don't own the free speech of a collective, that collective being me Jei and Dean.

I believe the "splice <3 authority" reason to be off the PR is a lie and you just looking for a scapegoat while in the meantime you put up no effort to make a satisfactory defence to back up your place on the PR. BTW, a satisfactory defence would be if you get better at the game. Not that you'd attempt it that way? Easier to give up and whine. That's why I don't even have to try and do anything to stay 4th, because you don't get better. Jei's taken his damn time but he's getting better, and whether he cares or not here is his reward. You control how hard it is for him to obtain that, and you failed to make it difficult enough for him. maybe I will have to defend my position from Jei too :o

What place you get put on there makes a difference to the representation of his scene. Jei is 5th because he has achieved something and made an effort, not because you are being a whiny loser who wants to be taken off the PR. I am going to leave this fact represented in the PR. This fact is represented by the PR itself. Have fun with that or improve at the game. Everyone else on there is trying to, at some extent.

If this kills your drive instead of provokes it, I strongly recommend you readjust your mindset and outlook on such things in life. It worked wonders for me, in areas other than just competing at this game.

Also I'm just going to clarify my interpretation of Jei's post; You were above Jei beforehand and we decided that. We decided it was a very close call though, and Jei would only have to outperform you once tbh and it'd already be in his favour. Since that time you have not done as much as Jei. Jei beat me and I beat ZXV and I also come to more Melbourne tournaments than ZXV, and you haven't done anything beyond that. Jei has also beaten tibs which is beyond what you've done. Beating tibs also makes up for things like losing to nicks from time to time, and we look at you and you've still done nothing. Same old Gary. You are the one that came in here with a closed mind and obviously you will take nothing from the explanation. Your first mechanism of defence when hit with a criticism is to assert that you are the only person who is right, and if your not, then your opinion matters the most. It's not like that all.

That's a lot of paragraphs but it is coherent. I don't see how it is possible for you to not see how we could make the decision of you being below Jei, and I don't see how you will still not understand that you hurt others experience as well as the PR by making your decision. And also I wait for you to not understand that you have no power over this PR except the power to get better, yet funnily you'll try everything but that, won't you?

@Dekar:
If anyone was rewarded for improvement, it would be Jamwa. Sebby hasn't improved that much since the Soleil Bar tournament, he's just had more chances to prove that he was as good as I thought he was then. You are a scrub dog though Dekar, have fun trying to get back on the PR now
especially with ur broken melee psyche as well ehheheh.
 

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Billy, all I'm saying is that I disagree with the definition of a better player in terms of ranking the PR. Also just in case you forgot, I beat ZXV.
EDIT: Also I must note that I do believe Jei is close in skill, I don't deny that.
As for Authority, I make a statement of my opinion and instead of you replying in a constructive way you make my decision for me without any verbal reasoning and continue to "put me in my place" to imply that I'm someone without a say in anything to do with this. That is why you received insults back, don't act all innocent.
That is also a reason I don't like this. After your response it made me more convinced in leaving.


Thanks for the first productive reply Jei, I don't see how this should affect seeding though, it's just a matter of rough judgement of whether someone should be seeded. Unless the seeding needs to be in order of numbers from one to whatever. In that case you could just put me as ranked 10 or so? Or will this still skrew it up?
If all else fails, instead of under performing on purpose I may just attend the monthlys but not enter in them.
 

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Ranking you 10th would screw it up a little bit, like Tibs getting 2nd seed at ACL kind of screwed up Earl's winners bracket.
Plus I see being on the PR as a benefit. Giving you an easier first round and such. If we are to seed you every tourney then why not have your name on the top 10 list? No one thinks any different of you as a smasher.

I want to outright ask you Gary, you don't have to give me an answer if you don't feel comfortable doing so but:

What reasons do you have for believing you belong above me on the PR? I know it's very direct of me to ask but my main reasoning for agreeing with my position is that I have overcome most of the bad MU's that my character has (with the people around my level, I still get owned by Attila and Earl).

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Ledge doesn't want to Power Ranked. Remove Ledge from the PR list. No drama.

Everyone is happy. Especially me, Nicks, ViVa and Sebby. Woo yeah! We're moving up, baby!

EDIT: For seeding, have a public and private PR. Easy as pie.
 

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I directly mentioned ZXV in my response to you about why Jei is above you and has +1'd you in every situation, yet you ignore that?

You did not insult me in a manner that assisted you in backing up your claims or proving a point whatsoever, you attempted to use it to beat around the bush. Insult me all you want, as long as you can make a point to add to the discussion, which you have failed to do so.

""put me in my place"" shouldn't really be in quote marks. It has nothing do with what I've said and is far from paraphrasing. I am responding to you and have given you an explanation and a response to your issue, as well as an explanation and a response to your behaviour.

"underperforming on purpose" doesn't change anything. If you make that decision than you also make the decision to go lower on the PR. You can't have everything just because you ask it because that defeats the purpose of the PR for us. You could choose to ignore it, how does it affect you? Instead you try to ruin it for others. I think your attitude is absolutely terrible, to be honest, utterly deplorable.

I don't-try-hard-enough-to-improve-enough-to-beat-Earl on purpose. Because I don't have time. Thus I am 4th. You don't-try-to-do-well-in-tournament on purpose. Because your mindset is poor. Thus you are 6th. Trying out new characters and losing to people you lose to anyway with your usual characters isn't an acceptable reason, either ;)

You convince yourself that I am being a ****
But I've made elaborate reasons and explained the situation thoroughly.
I refuse to let you damage the PR and the scene involved with caring about the PR. You harm your own experience, not others.

@Attila: bo5's prove nothing. They create evidence, but prove nothing. Ledge would have to win a bo5 against myself and Tibs and Jei to PROVE it, and maybe do two of those for us to consider switching him around.
 

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Billy you are way too emotional for me to try to respond to that. I don't think I will.
I could just quit brawl to get off the PR, but I like everyone in the community too much. Instead I want to be taken off it, as I'm no longer competitive. How is that destroying the scene any more than me leaving it?

@Jei My reasoning is fundamental with how the ordering of the PR works. So according to the PR panel's methods you should be placed above me, I don't deny that. What I disagree with, is the methods themselves. I'm about to go out to dinner now, but I'll give you a run down later of what I don't agree with if you like.

@Toshi: Thanks :)
 

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Seeing people not wanting to be included on a PR just baffles me. You've spent so much time and effort to practice, and improve at this game, yet when your efforts are appreciated by public acknowledgement, you wish to deny this?
 

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I'm not too emotional, you just lack passion.
I have given you everything you needed as far as a response goes. If you are still unhappy it can not be helped. We consider you 6th in Victoria, and the OP of this thread is supposed to represent that. I consider myself retired, as I dislike the game so I do not practice it, but I have to admit, I am better than you and Jei! Therefore I do not pry from anyone the ability for them to say "I became better than Splice yeaahh suck it Splice". You don't have to care but I don't have to let you take that away from Jei and the others who will come.

I'm not for sure if this is intentional, but you say you agree that our methods place jei above you, and then disagree with the methods, when all you know about the process is that they place jei above you (as well as the lacklustre criteria in the OP). So you have said "I disagree with the methods because they involve me being placed below Jei". I don't even understand how you don't feel stupid about that.

Gary has insulted this establishment but I have to say I'm quite happy with the shenanigan Jei, Dean and myself have been running.

I'd like to apologize to Jei.
Jei, we all know that what you've accomplished recently is by no fluke. You are improving exponentially, and I do not doubt there will be a day when you totally own 4th place too. Do not take Gary's dissatisfaction as something that defaces your success. You have done well and rightly earned your spot, and if theres anything we can take from Garys attitude, I can tell you it won't be him you have to defend it from. I hope that you are still confident in skill in this game and that you will continue to improve, and don't let this immaturity act to dissuade you. You will have my respect when you can prove you are above me on the PR too, but a word of warning for you after that; Earl and Tibs are pretty good hey, hard life :/
 

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Reading this, Ledge you probably should've explained yourself better, and looked at Billy's first reply a bit more objectively.
He did deliver a bit harshly, or might have been wrong, but its not his fault since an explanation from you was lacking and it's understandable Billy has assumed incorrectly.
This could have been avoided had you asked "what did you take into consideration when you devised this PR?" (rather than demand you are excluded) and then contributed your opinion/evidence/method. I'm sure if your methods were better the Board or w/e its called could not have ignored it.

Splice control yo'self, you're partly to blame. Maybe what you wrote wasn't provocative in your eyes, but I can see why it would be.

This was badly handled and I can see how this could have been settled in like 4 comments. Or maybe in one if we were as smart as Toshi.
 

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But then there'd be less to read.

I say what I have I said because I stand by it and I believe in what I have said, and I wanted to get those things across, which I believe I did. I feel a duty to explain my stance and the situation of the issue, which I have.

Now I feel there is no problem that I am responsible to resolve, and that I have achieved what I wanted to, so I see no reason to ponder about how the conversation could have been conducted better.
How does doing this benefit you, Jamwa?
 

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Reading this, Ledge you probably should've explained yourself better, and looked at Billy's first reply a bit more objectively.
He did deliver a bit harshly, or might have been wrong, but its not his fault since an explanation from you was lacking and it's understandable Billy has assumed incorrectly.
This could have been avoided had you asked "what did you take into consideration when you devised this PR?" (rather than demand you are excluded) and then contributed your opinion/evidence/method. I'm sure if your methods were better the Board or w/e its called could not have ignored it.

Splice control yo'self, you're partly to blame. Maybe what you wrote wasn't provocative in your eyes, but I can see why it would be.

This was badly handled and I can see how this could have been settled in like 4 comments. Or maybe in one if we were as smart as Toshi.
Yeah you're right, I should have. Thanks.

I've seen these arguments about people wanting to be off the PR a fair few times. Anyone wanting to leave the PR has to be ready for piles of criticism. I guess I was pre-prepared for all that, which made it worse as I sounded like I was rudely demanding what I wanted.
Sorry for that.

I would still like to be taken off the PR though, I'll critically analyse the situation and create an argument for Jei of why I don't like the method of the current PR. I don't expect the current PR method to change but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to disagree and separate myself from it. It isn't all about how it's done either, it's a combination of smaller fundamental issues of a PR in general that I'm growing to disagree with and my current competitive stance with the community.
 

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Guys remember, there were lots of difficult decisions made in making these rankings. There are good arguments for putting both Gary and Jei as 5th, we just feel that Jei's are a bit stronger at the moment but that is a completely subjective decision made by the three panel members.
Every one is entitled to an opinion as to who is better than who, it just so happens that the three people who have been chosen to represent the scene in this matter (altho who chose me? rofl) have managed to reach a consensus as to what we think as a collective. If you have problems with who is representing the scene you are free to say so - I think Splice may be leaving the panel soon anyway due to Year 12 commitments.

Keep in mind that although each player is seperated by a unit of one, not every player is equi-distant from each other. It's reasonable to say that Jei may be 5.0 and Gary 5.1 or something, along with Nicks vs. Toshi, Earl vs. Tibs and Sebby vs. unranked players (which were the most discussed placements among the panel members) compared to the distance between 8 and 9 or something.
When deciding the placings, the main things we considered iirc (but even the method we use to decide placings has been debated inside the panel in the past) is:
Gary
- has not lost to a player below himself this year (apart from like Toshi at Splice's house meet or something silly that we don't take into account)
- has beaten Zxv in tournament
Jei
- has tournament set wins against high-calibre players like Tibs and Splice
- has split his sets vs. Nicks this year 50:50 and went 1-1 with Sebby in pools I think?
- beat Gary h2h

We looked at this and thought that Jei had slightly higher credentials but it's not unreasonable to look at it another way, this is where subjectivity kicks in and everyone's opinion differs. If Gary wants to he's welcome to try to prove beyond doubt that we're wrong and have no idea what the hell we're doing but as of right now we think we made the right decision.

Sorry I think I just kept saying the same thing over and over by the end of that. This will make sense if you take into consideration I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Jei Jei said:
Just do what Dean did and get knocked off the PR by underperforming lol.
I think I'm performing great right now, whatchu talkin' about?

I think we'll release an update after BAM and if Gary would still like to be removed by then I'd be happy to do that.
 

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Jei's tournament results are also generally better, considering ACL placing is worth more than usual tournaments.

Also if Gary continues to be trash ofc he'll be removed.

I don't intend to leave the PR Panel btw Dean (I believe this is discussion that is more appropriately held between you and me so I replied to you in PR panel)
 

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this should probably be locked for a while.

although i'd like to see ledge's actual argument (with evidence) as to why he should be higher.

dean's post made a reasonable case for jei, which hasn't been responded to yet.
 

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Well played Jamwa.

@Attila; under what grounds should these be locked? I am baffled. Lets lock threads because people are actually conversing in them? lol
Ledge had an issue, my stance has been explained and Jei and Dean are making there own points. To fix the problem Ledge finds he just needs to not care about this PR if it doesn't benefit him. Totally relevant discussion to this thread; No spam, relevant posts and no trolly flamey ****. Sometimes I wonder if everyone just needs to calm down when they read stuff on the internet, I have just been so absolutely surprised that you think a lock would help anything. The "heated" conversation has already been had, idk why you want to limit this healthy (healthy for the thread) chatter that is going on atm.
 

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Well this was very entertaining to read! Lol.

Seriously though deans post is where its at, I hope ledge can see now that jeis position isn't that crazy and that he decides to stay on the PR

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