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Cutie Gwen

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But you know exactly what my pointers are referencing, no need to spend an hour dotting my Ts
I don't know what you mean with 'the kid' or 'sassy magic user' or 'some other femboy' but I don't get the feeling you meant Juju, Pandora or Phosphora for the first two. I also disagree with referring to Sora, a young child, as a femboy but that's admittedly irrelevent to the conversation
 

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Pac-Land was the best option for a Pac-Man stage that isn't maze-related or from a connected IP. Most non-maze Pac-Man locations (and dare I say games, even as someone who loves PMW) are awfully generic (Clown Prix comes to mind as an exception), and while Pac-Land is a generic locale, its aesthetic - kinda existing in the middle ground between 8-bit and 16-bit - is really unique. That being said, I would've prefered a stage based directly on the Hanna-Barbera show, since that show had some really fun archetecture designs, but Western multimedia adaptations, especially older ones, are something that has always been out of Smash's zone (...for now. Peaches is like a 50/50 chance of being a music track depending on how negotiations go.) - Ghostly Adventures took a similar approach to its backgrounds, but at the time I don't think it would've been a good idea, given all the paranoia about it - though now that's just kind of a nostalgic 2010s throwback, it'd be a cute pull.
 
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Laniv

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Spoiler alert!

:ultmario:: :ultdoc:
:ultdk:: funky kong
:ultlink:: :ultyounglink:
:ultsamus:: :ultdarksamus:
:ultyoshi:: birdo
:ultkirby:: blue dude(?)
:ultfox:: :ultwolf:
:ultpikachu:: :ultpichu:
:ultluigi:: Mr. L
:ultness:: :ultlucas:
:ultfalcon:: blood falcon
:ultjigglypuff:: Clefairy (bigger and slower)
:ultpeach:::ultdaisy:
:ultbowser:: undead Bowser
:ulticeclimbers:: lolo & lala
:ultsheik:: ryu hasabi(?), Shinobi, etc.
:ultzelda:: young Zelda
:ultfalco:: slippy
:ultbyleth:::ultlucina:
:ultganondorf:: ganon (pig form)
:ultmewtwo:: :ultlucario:
:ultroy:::ultchrom:
:ultgnw:: lieutenant g&w
:ultmetaknight:: sword or blade
:ultpit:::ultdarkpit:
:ultzss:: phazon infected ZSS(?)
:ultwario:: vampire wario,
:ultsnake:: liquid snake
:ultike:: guy with a big sword
:ultpokemontrainer:::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultdiddy:: Dixie Kong
:ultsonic:: knuckles
:ultkingdedede:: demon possessed dedede
:ultalph:: alph
:ultrob:: great fox robot
:ultvillager:::ultisabelle:
:ultmegaman:: protoman
:ultwiifittrainer:::ultwiifittrainerm:
:ultrosalina:: Rosalina & big luma
:ultlittlemac:: bald bull
:ultgreninja:: can't be the only fighting/ninja Pokemon(?)
:ultpalutena:: the sassy magic user
:ultpacman:: ms pac-man
:ultrobin:::ultrobinf:
:ultshulk:: the kid
:ultbowserjr:::ultlarry::ultroy2::ultwendy::ultiggy::ultmorton::ultlemmy::ultludwig:
:ultduckhunt:: Nintendog
:ultryu:::ultken:
:ultcloud:: Zack
:ultcorrin:::ultcorrinf:
:ultbayonetta:::ultbayonetta1:
:ultinkling:::ultinklingboy:
:ultridley:: meta Ridley
:ultsimon:::ultrichter:
:ultkrool:: wart
:ultincineroar:: beefy Pokemon
:ultpiranha:: spiny piranha plant
:ultjoker:::ultjokeralt:
:ulthero:::ulthero2::ulthero3::ulthero4:
:ultbanjokazooie:: banjo & dragon kazooie
:ult_terry:: some other king of fighters
:ultbyleth:::ultbylethf:
:ultminmin: the bulbous nosed doof
:ultsteve:::ultalex::ultzombie::ultenderman:
:ultsephiroth:: sexyroth
:ultpyra:::ultmythra:
:ultkazuya:: tenpachi? (Old guy)
:ultsora:: some other femboy
I want to point out that Meta Knight is one of the few characters with a viable Echo choice that you skipped over, but I'm kinda struck by "blue dude" as a Kirby echo
 

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Spoiler alert!

:ultmario:: :ultdoc:
:ultdk:: funky kong
:ultlink:: :ultyounglink:
:ultsamus:: :ultdarksamus:
:ultyoshi:: birdo
:ultkirby:: blue dude(?)
:ultfox:: :ultwolf:
:ultpikachu:: :ultpichu:
:ultluigi:: Mr. L
:ultness:: :ultlucas:
:ultfalcon:: blood falcon
:ultjigglypuff:: Clefairy (bigger and slower)
:ultpeach:::ultdaisy:
:ultbowser:: undead Bowser
:ulticeclimbers:: lolo & lala
:ultsheik:: ryu hasabi(?), Shinobi, etc.
:ultzelda:: young Zelda
:ultfalco:: slippy
:ultbyleth:::ultlucina:
:ultganondorf:: ganon (pig form)
:ultmewtwo:: :ultlucario:
:ultroy:::ultchrom:
:ultgnw:: lieutenant g&w
:ultmetaknight:: sword or blade
:ultpit:::ultdarkpit:
:ultzss:: phazon infected ZSS(?)
:ultwario:: vampire wario,
:ultsnake:: liquid snake
:ultike:: guy with a big sword
:ultpokemontrainer:::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultdiddy:: Dixie Kong
:ultsonic:: knuckles
:ultkingdedede:: demon possessed dedede
:ultalph:: alph
:ultrob:: great fox robot
:ultvillager:::ultisabelle:
:ultmegaman:: protoman
:ultwiifittrainer:::ultwiifittrainerm:
:ultrosalina:: Rosalina & big luma
:ultlittlemac:: bald bull
:ultgreninja:: can't be the only fighting/ninja Pokemon(?)
:ultpalutena:: the sassy magic user
:ultpacman:: ms pac-man
:ultrobin:::ultrobinf:
:ultshulk:: the kid
:ultbowserjr:::ultlarry::ultroy2::ultwendy::ultiggy::ultmorton::ultlemmy::ultludwig:
:ultduckhunt:: Nintendog
:ultryu:::ultken:
:ultcloud:: Zack
:ultcorrin:::ultcorrinf:
:ultbayonetta:::ultbayonetta1:
:ultinkling:::ultinklingboy:
:ultridley:: meta Ridley
:ultsimon:::ultrichter:
:ultkrool:: wart
:ultincineroar:: beefy Pokemon
:ultpiranha:: spiny piranha plant
:ultjoker:::ultjokeralt:
:ulthero:::ulthero2::ulthero3::ulthero4:
:ultbanjokazooie:: banjo & dragon kazooie
:ult_terry:: some other king of fighters
:ultbyleth:::ultbylethf:
:ultminmin: the bulbous nosed doof
:ultsteve:::ultalex::ultzombie::ultenderman:
:ultsephiroth:: sexyroth
:ultpyra:::ultmythra:
:ultkazuya:: tenpachi? (Old guy)
:ultsora:: some other femboy
I think I may keep this post just to highlight how Smash fans often don't know what they've talking about about and talk out of their ass.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to add to the pile, but this is ridiculous. Potential slur aside, you're making stuff up, giving ideas so vague that they're worthless, and giving ideas so ludicrous it would only take a few minutes of research to dissuade them.

I'm sorry man, this opinion is unpopular because it's just bad.
 

fogbadge

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Spoiler alert!

:ultmario:: :ultdoc:
:ultdk:: funky kong
:ultlink:: :ultyounglink:
:ultsamus:: :ultdarksamus:
:ultyoshi:: birdo
:ultkirby:: blue dude(?)
:ultfox:: :ultwolf:
:ultpikachu:: :ultpichu:
:ultluigi:: Mr. L
:ultness:: :ultlucas:
:ultfalcon:: blood falcon
:ultjigglypuff:: Clefairy (bigger and slower)
:ultpeach:::ultdaisy:
:ultbowser:: undead Bowser
:ulticeclimbers:: lolo & lala
:ultsheik:: ryu hasabi(?), Shinobi, etc.
:ultzelda:: young Zelda
:ultfalco:: slippy
:ultbyleth:::ultlucina:
:ultganondorf:: ganon (pig form)
:ultmewtwo:: :ultlucario:
:ultroy:::ultchrom:
:ultgnw:: lieutenant g&w
:ultmetaknight:: sword or blade
:ultpit:::ultdarkpit:
:ultzss:: phazon infected ZSS(?)
:ultwario:: vampire wario,
:ultsnake:: liquid snake
:ultike:: guy with a big sword
:ultpokemontrainer:::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultdiddy:: Dixie Kong
:ultsonic:: knuckles
:ultkingdedede:: demon possessed dedede
:ultalph:: alph
:ultrob:: great fox robot
:ultvillager:::ultisabelle:
:ultmegaman:: protoman
:ultwiifittrainer:::ultwiifittrainerm:
:ultrosalina:: Rosalina & big luma
:ultlittlemac:: bald bull
:ultgreninja:: can't be the only fighting/ninja Pokemon(?)
:ultpalutena:: the sassy magic user
:ultpacman:: ms pac-man
:ultrobin:::ultrobinf:
:ultshulk:: the kid
:ultbowserjr:::ultlarry::ultroy2::ultwendy::ultiggy::ultmorton::ultlemmy::ultludwig:
:ultduckhunt:: Nintendog
:ultryu:::ultken:
:ultcloud:: Zack
:ultcorrin:::ultcorrinf:
:ultbayonetta:::ultbayonetta1:
:ultinkling:::ultinklingboy:
:ultridley:: meta Ridley
:ultsimon:::ultrichter:
:ultkrool:: wart
:ultincineroar:: beefy Pokemon
:ultpiranha:: spiny piranha plant
:ultjoker:::ultjokeralt:
:ulthero:::ulthero2::ulthero3::ulthero4:
:ultbanjokazooie:: banjo & dragon kazooie
:ult_terry:: some other king of fighters
:ultbyleth:::ultbylethf:
:ultminmin: the bulbous nosed doof
:ultsteve:::ultalex::ultzombie::ultenderman:
:ultsephiroth:: sexyroth
:ultpyra:::ultmythra:
:ultkazuya:: tenpachi? (Old guy)
:ultsora:: some other femboy
oh and maybe don’t call a character you clearly know nothing about a femboy
 

TheZizz

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I think I may keep this post just to highlight how Smash fans often don't know what they've talking about about and talk out of their ass.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to add to the pile, but this is ridiculous. Potential slur aside, you're making stuff up, giving ideas so vague that they're worthless, and giving ideas so ludicrous it would only take a few minutes of research to dissuade them.

I'm sorry man, this opinion is unpopular because it's just bad.
With my limited lore I was able to populate the list handily. That there are superior choices under my radar only further validates the ease of compiling such a list. My point stands.

oh and maybe don’t call a character you clearly know nothing about a femboy
In my experience, most Sora fans have no regard for the power of friendship, having only a surface appreciation for the character and only so eager to juxtapose cruel jeering as with Kirby & earthbound mains.
 

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In my experience, most Sora fans have no regard for the power of friendship, having only a surface appreciation for the character and only so eager to juxtapose cruel jeering as with Kirby & earthbound mains.
what on earth has that got to do with you calling him a femboy?
 

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what on earth has that got to do with you calling him a femboy?
What does his femboy aesthetic have to do with his personality? Just because he doesn't throw an oversized purse around doesn't diminish from his obvious prominent feminine aspect. (removed inappropriate content)
 
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I'm not a mod, but perhaps we should leave the conversation and move on.



New conversation. 75m is a perfectly fine stage and I'm not convinced 25m would play better.
There are times where I dislike chaotic stages, but when I'm in the mood for a chaotic casual match, 75m is one of my go to stage picks.

On the note of chaotic and unpopular Donkey Kong franchise stages...Bring back Rumble Falls. It was a genuinely fun stage.
 
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75m is a perfectly fine stage and I'm not convinced 25m would play better.
You sure about that last part? 25m would have long stretches of ground that allow for more room to fight, and the projectile pattern of the barrels would be fun and intuitive to move around. The simple act of getting around on 75m is tough enough because the stage is scattered into like 27 tiny pieces that you have to constantly be jumping on and off of.

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You sure about that last part? 25m would have long stretches of ground that allow for more room to fight, and the projectile pattern of the barrels would be fun and intuitive to move around.

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Honestly yeah. It would be like smaller Moray Towers with projectiles and more hazards. I love Moray Towers but it can already get pretty weird.
 

SubspaceJigglypuff

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50m and 100m would make far better stages than either 75m or 25m. They aren't a million tiny plats like the former, and there aren't awkward slopes like the latter.
 
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Baysha

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You sure about that last part? 25m would have long stretches of ground that allow for more room to fight, and the projectile pattern of the barrels would be fun and intuitive to move around. The simple act of getting around on 75m is tough enough because the stage is scattered into like 27 tiny pieces that you have to constantly be jumping on and off of.

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Thought you were exaggerating but there actually are 27 platforms in 75m. Huh. Neat!
 

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I wouldn’t mind if they redesigned 75M to be an original layout but still featuring some of the prominent features (such as the ladders on the left side, the elevators in the middle, a few staircase-like platforms on the right) but with a main floor, so that you have somewhere you can properly move around and fight on without constantly, awkwardly jumping over bottomless pits.
 

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I guess this is the opposite of an unpopular opinion exactly, but as a strong supporter of cross-series clones, the one I think I've managed to convince the most people on is the wrestlers from Pro Wrestling for Incineroar. Incineroar doesn't actually use fire as a projective or even disjoint at all, so pretty much any wrestling character could pick up his moveset. The Amazon is my personal pick, since 1. swamp monsters are funny; 2. all the fire effects could be swapped for noxious gas effects; and 3. you could easily put a bite into his side B command grab


While I'm at it... As much as I hate the direction Pokemon rep in Smash has taken towards cool and/or starter Pokemon, Incineroar was the best 1P newcomer decision in Ultimate, a wrestler character was LONG overdue, and I think Incineroar fits into the kinda cute aesthetic of "What a very small child would think is edgy", heh. As superficial as this might be to say, Incineroar being one of the only base game picks to not be fan demand-driven helps it gain my favor as well. I do like that Daisy's finally in, but to me she's kind of a "no duh" character
 
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Cutie Gwen

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Honestly yeah. It would be like smaller Moray Towers with projectiles and more hazards. I love Moray Towers but it can already get pretty weird.
Man, I feel like a dunce for never considering that layout to be like 25m until you said it, this **** is what this thread should be about lmao, you're completely right in that regard.

Still disagree on 75m as that is a hill I'm dying on
 

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I have no idea where that belief even came from.
Neutral b, side-b command grab, up-b with no hitbox, it's a surly grumpy mean Pokemon with mystical energy powers, the similarities are super apparent. And I never said they were "clones" but pseudo-echoes. Also Sakurai clearly makes the distinction between anime and smash Bros the game (that's why Mario, Link, dedede and others are non-verbal) so the show doesn't factor in as a general rule

We should be having fun splitting hairs over silly subjective discussions, not at each other's throats, ffs
 
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I want to point out that Meta Knight is one of the few characters with a viable Echo choice that you skipped over, but I'm kinda struck by "blue dude" as a Kirby echo
Meta Knight having a Echo seems like a great idea in general, because there's a lot to gain with subtle differences. Say if a Galactia Knight, with a spear and all, would play more like a zoning type of Meta Knight who's a bit slower and stronger with a possible tipper, that's a huge difference already in terms of gameplay.

That's why I find the thought of this specific character a great idea. Despite never having played a Kirby game with this character in it.
 

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Well the basic idea is to ignore gender norms entirely, not run contrary to them, or swap one caricature for "the other". Be yourself.
your lack of self awareness is noted

New conversation. 75m is a perfectly fine stage and I'm not convinced 25m would play better.
personally the novelty of the DK arcade stage has worn off a bit. I say we get a new stage from a different arcade game
 
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"Surly and mean"?

That describes Mewtwo, but how the **** is Lucario that at all? All these "super apparent similarities" come from a reductive and downright ignorant mindset when factoring other things stated.

Hell, even in the SSE, Lucario was clearly shown to be cooperative and quick to resolve conflict peacefully by using Aura to determine friend from foe.


So, are we next going to argue Greninja is a Lucario clone?
-chargeable B projectile
-flying Up B that is directional and are (mostly) non-damaging
-counter Down B that makes them disappear
-elemental energy source that's blue in color
-bipedal
-blue color scheme
-"Surly and mean"
-"martial arts"

By jove....we cracked the code. Greninja is the same as Lucario!
 

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your lack of self awareness is noted
Who isn't lacking some amount of self-awareness? This is a given, might as well focus on your own as I do. But that doesn't invalidate a basic premise like, everyone has masculine and feminine aspects in varying proportions so "non binary person" is redundant, there are no "binary" people

"Surly and mean"?

That describes Mewtwo, but how the **** is Lucario that at all? All these "super apparent similarities" come from a reductive and downright ignorant mindset when factoring other things stated.

Hell, even in the SSE, Lucario was clearly shown to be cooperative and quick to resolve conflict peacefully by using Aura to determine friend from foe.


So, are we next going to argue Greninja is a Lucario clone?
-chargeable B projectile
-flying Up B that is directional and are (mostly) non-damaging
-counter Down B that makes them disappear
-elemental energy source that's blue in color
-bipedal
-blue color scheme
-"Surly and mean"
-"martial arts"

By jove....we cracked the code. Greninja is the same as Lucario!
Because he goes RAHH, RUGH, RRGH! But Greninja is clearly stoic leaning by comparison, also he's a reptile that shoots water? Unfair comparison
 
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can we please move on from mewtwo/lucario and sora's masculinity. it feels like we've finally moved past it and then we're sisyphus watching the ball roll down the hill again of a topic where there is absolutely nothing more to contribute and a topic that makes no sense on a fundamental level.
 
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TheZizz

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Ok, you're just trolling.
Blocked.
No I just don't watch pokemon despite loving smash Bros, I calls it like I see it nothing more or less. Mario and Luigi have distinct personalities but they're both plumbers ostensibly, oh never mind lul

can we please move on from mewtwo/lucario and sora's masculinity. it feels like we've finally moved past it and then we're sisyphus watching the ball roll down the hill again of a topic where there is absolutely nothing more to contribute and a topic that makes no sense on a fundamental level.
Community college has a lot to answer for, clearly
 
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