Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Ok, you're just trolling.
Blocked.

I've pretty much done the same thing myself not too long ago.

Anyway, on a different subject, whenever I look back at Ultimate's list of songs, it feels like some of the franchises could've had more songs than what we ended up getting. The Banjo-Kazooie franchise would easily come to mind for not including the following songs...

• Vs. Gruntilda (Banjo-Kazooie)
• Mayahem Temple (Banjo-Tooie)
• Vs. Weldar (Banjo-Tooie)
• Vs. HAG-1 (Banjo-Tooie)

 

[Perkilator]

whenever I look back at Ultimate's list of songs, it feels like some of the franchises could've had more songs than what we ended up getting.

That's what I'm saying! There are so many songs that should feel like a no-brainer inclusion, and yet...they're just not in the game.

 

[TheZizz]

There are players who want to win, and players who want someone else to lose. Smash net play is exhibit A, going back to brawl. Sakurai was wise to shatter this false dichotomy, either/or mindset. There's a reason the top echelon are proficient with every character, relevant or not. They love the game, warts and all.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Lucario is no more of a Mewtwo clone than King Dedede is of Kirby.

Also Charizard and Bowser since they also have similar neutral specials. Even more extreme example since that’s the only similarity.

 

[MartianSnake]

I've pretty much done the same thing myself not too long ago.

Anyway, on a different subject, whenever I look back at Ultimate's list of songs, it feels like some of the franchises could've had more songs than what we ended up getting. The Banjo-Kazooie franchise would easily come to mind for not including the following songs...

• Vs. Gruntilda (Banjo-Kazooie)
• Mayahem Temple (Banjo-Tooie)
• Vs. Weldar (Banjo-Tooie)
• Vs. HAG-1 (Banjo-Tooie)

We need to remember what we know of development. In the Terry reveal it was stated they send the 3P companies a list of songs they want to use and receive a list of approved songs from that list in return.

We also know that composers choose what songs they wanna remix themselves, which is probably why there were so many mega man & snk remixes, the composers REALLY wanted to remix those, and the respective copyright holders really had no issue with any song being requested.

But for some copyright holders, they're either more protective, don't hold the full rights to every song requested of them, or simply feel a need to be more curative and selective of what they allow.

What I'm saying is, Smash doesn't get free reign with what they can add.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I don't like side specials as a mechanic. They're too unruly control-wise and I'd rather just have quick access to a neutral special while moving.

That being said, while I adore both Smash 64 (inc. Remix) and NASB1, both of them don't have enough horizontal recovery moves (though I don't think those would inherently have to specials, or even that removing side specials would disqualify having 4+ specials, a strong/light special system feels very appealing to me for a non-Smash platfighter)

 

[TheZizz]

New conversation. 75m is a perfectly fine stage and I'm not convinced 25m would play better.

Even though I don't like fighting on it, I have a soft spot for 75m, it's the site of my first ever taunt party, after five rounds of incrementally goofier antics finally hit critical mass. In the first month of brawl things were very organic, no expectations. Before the dark times...before the supspace invasion.

I don't like side specials as a mechanic. They're too unruly control-wise and I'd rather just have quick access to a neutral special while moving.

I always thought the window between neutral-b and side-b could be a little more generous. Doing a reverse neutral-b is really touchy, and there's no situation where I'm not trying to do side-b where the stick is tilted less than 50%

 

[MBRedboy31]

They could add the option to bind a ”neutral special” button (and also a “neutral attack“ button,) like in Multiversus.

I use the neutral attack button quite a lot in Multiversus myself (although it’s also because a lot of MVS characters have a projectile bound to neutral attack/neutral air, so it feels more intuitive that way.)

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Third parties need more content based on their hardware (like the Super Scope item or PictoChat stage). Microsoft provides the most content in that regard from Windows alone (not that Xbox doesn't have some super iconic imagery that could work well in Smash) (Clippy in particular I think gets unduely overlooked in discussion of a third MS rep), but Sega's platforms have had some neat stuff you could use (Sega CD US bios baybee) and while I'm unfamiliar with Neo Geo I've heard there's some neat stuff there (apparently one of the consoles had horoscopes?)

 

[fogbadge]

Third parties need more content based on their hardware (like the Super Scope item or PictoChat stage). Microsoft provides the most content in that regard from Windows alone (not that Xbox doesn't have some super iconic imagery that could work well in Smash) (Clippy in particular I think gets unduely overlooked in discussion of a third MS rep), but Sega's platforms have had some neat stuff you could use (Sega CD US bios baybee) and while I'm unfamiliar with Neo Geo I've heard there's some neat stuff there (apparently one of the consoles had horoscopes?)

in fairness I don’t think anyone counts Microsoft office as a video game so I’m not sure anyone counts clippy as viable. unless there’s some piece of his history I’m missing

 

[TheZizz]

in fairness I don’t think anyone counts Microsoft office as a video game so I’m not sure anyone counts clippy as viable. unless there’s some piece of his history I’m missing

There is (or was) a secret game hidden inside Microsoft office, but I don't think clippy was a part of it so that's a big stretch. The jester from mindmaze better qualifies

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

It really sucks that every discussion of Clippy in Smash has to devolve into semantics instead of just... the character's merit. Nobody has these discussions about characters like the DSi budgie or the 100 Classic Books owl. Every Nintendo toy is completely unrepped in Smash, while Nintendo utility applications are well-repped. Utility software products are video games by Smash's own logic, I find it hard to believe it's a special Nintendo-only exception, because if Nintendo got exceptions like that, there would be Hanafuda and Ultra Hand content at least, those aren't estranged branches of the Nintendo "family tree" they're supposedly ashamed of like CDi and such, they pop up all the time in every other Nintendo game that uses nostalgia aesthetics. "Nintendo content can get this, 3P content can't" has always been something diminshed in every Smash game, and I think it's just right to assume that what goes for Nintendo - at least in terms of what source materials are included and what role they are given, if not individual depictions - always COULD go for Microsoft or Sega or etc - not WILL, I don't believe Clippy or Windows as a whole is remotely on Smash's radar, just COULD.

Additionally, I don't think Clippy is as inherently tied to Office as many people believe. Yes, that is the product he is from, but most people who know Clippy think of him moreso as a general image of Windows as a whole, not just Office. He has a similar "unofficial mascot" status to say, Mega Man, where he is treated as a visual shorthand for Microsoft and Windows, despite not officially being designed for or ever having taken that role.

 

[TheZizz]

It really sucks that every discussion of Clippy in Smash has to devolve into semantics instead of just... the character's merit. Nobody has these discussions about characters like the DSi budgie or the 100 Classic Books owl. Every Nintendo toy is completely unrepped in Smash, while Nintendo utility applications are well-repped. Utility software products are video games by Smash's own logic, I find it hard to believe it's a special Nintendo-only exception, because if Nintendo got exceptions like that, there would be Hanafuda and Ultra Hand content at least, those aren't estranged branches of the Nintendo "family tree" they're supposedly ashamed of like CDi and such, they pop up all the time in every other Nintendo game that uses nostalgia aesthetics. "Nintendo content can get this, 3P content can't" has always been something diminshed in every Smash game, and I think it's just right to assume that what goes for Nintendo - at least in terms of what source materials are included and what role they are given, if not individual depictions - always COULD go for Microsoft or Sega or etc - not WILL, I don't believe Clippy or Windows as a whole is remotely on Smash's radar, just COULD.

Additionally, I don't think Clippy is as inherently tied to Office as many people believe. Yes, that is the product he is from, but most people who know Clippy think of him moreso as a general image of Windows as a whole, not just Office. He has a similar "unofficial mascot" status to say, Mega Man, where he is treated as a visual shorthand for Microsoft and Windows, despite not officially being designed for or ever having taken that role.

This is one who Clippy has seen through many an arduous essay. I never considered that Wii Fit doesn't constitute as a proper game, fair point.

Hell, even in the SSE, Lucario was clearly shown to be cooperative and quick to resolve conflict peacefully by using Aura to determine friend from foe.

He is approached with great apprehension and hesitation, a menacing figure with unclear motivation not unlike Mewtwo. Anyway this is a place for unpopular opinions so yea

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We need to remember what we know of development. In the Terry reveal it was stated they send the 3P companies a list of songs they want to use and receive a list of approved songs from that list in return.

We also know that composers choose what songs they wanna remix themselves, which is probably why there were so many mega man & snk remixes, the composers REALLY wanted to remix those, and the respective copyright holders really had no issue with any song being requested.

But for some copyright holders, they're either more protective, don't hold the full rights to every song requested of them, or simply feel a need to be more curative and selective of what they allow.

What I'm saying is, Smash doesn't get free reign with what they can add.

Yeah, copyright can really be an inconvenience. The Final Fantasy series obviously knows that too well, since the base game only has two songs from Final Fantasy VII.

 

[fogbadge]

It really sucks that every discussion of Clippy in Smash has to devolve into semantics instead of just... the character's merit.

what merits were you thinking of? the sheer uniqueness of playing as a paper clip?

 

[Guynamednelson]

in fairness I don’t think anyone counts Microsoft office as a video game so I’m not sure anyone counts clippy as viable. unless there’s some piece of his history I’m missing

MS Office is meant for work
Work is the opposite of play
Games are meant to be played

Thus I have indisputable proof Clippy is not a video game character

 

[MartianSnake]

MS Office is meant for work
Work is the opposite of play
Games are meant to be played

Thus I have indisputable proof Clippy is not a video game character

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[DragonRobotKing26]

in fairness I don’t think anyone counts Microsoft office as a video game so I’m not sure anyone counts clippy as viable. unless there’s some piece of his history I’m missing

you're right, Clippy don't counts as video game character, i can give Hatsune Miku as example, Miku was started as a voicebank and she got a pouplarity on internet, and she have her own games as Project Diva and Project Sekai and are lisensed by Crypton Future Media, the difference from Miku with Clippy is Clippy is a software that don't have any game, nor in a exclusive Xbox game, since Miku is a voicebank and she have merchandise like Sega games, and Hatsune Miku is also a 4th party character

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not sure if popular or unpopular opinion , but certain character suggestions don't necessarily warrant serious discussion. Clippy is a good example. If brought up to the developers, all they would do themselves is laugh as well I'd imagine.