Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I think Smash's future third party endeavors will lean more towards smaller franchises like Persona, Bayonetta and Fatal Fury. We'll still get the occasional Minecraft or Final Fantasy, but the majority of third parties won't be gigantic and the fan base needs to be accepting of that.

I expect things like Bravely Default more than Master Chief.

It's her time.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think Smash's future third party endeavors will lean more towards smaller franchises like Persona, Bayonetta and Fatal Fury. We'll still get the occasional Minecraft or Final Fantasy, but the majority of third parties won't be gigantic and the fan base needs to be accepting of that.

I expect things like Bravely Default more than Master Chief.

Yeah. I think this way too, especially considering that I expect the next game to be much smaller in scope than Ultimate. I've come to accept that.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I unironically love the idea of cramming the entire roster of a game, and making it into a single composite character/fusion that has every attack at it's disposal.

It worked for Ness and Lucas having PK attacks from the other party members and also Mr. Game & Watch with his moveset borrowed from various G&W machines, but imagine that but with other franchises.

 

[Perkilator]

If Waluigi gets into Smash as a playable fighter, I want his moveset to be designed entirely for casual play.

 

[xiusp]

Master Chief and any Valve character are ****ING stupid ideas for Smash Bros characters.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If Waluigi gets into Smash as a playable fighter, I want his moveset to be designed entirely for casual play.

A character that is designed exclusively for casual play is just really bad design, unless you have a weird vindictive spiteful hate for competitive players. You can implement RNG and items - the things people associate with games that Waluigi is in - in a fair way (see Granny in NASB2 for example, or even Melee high tier Peach). Designing Waluigi to only work casually would only cause problems for competitive players, to little benefit that most casual players would detect compared to if he were balanced well - maybe on-character, but in a way that goes much too far out of the ludonarrative to be fun or whimsical.

Master Chief and any Valve character are ****ING stupid ideas for Smash Bros characters.

I assume this is because of their lack of connections to Nintendo, correct?

To me personally, I think characters with little Nintendo ties should be prioritised as to say to Nintendo fans "stop being a console war moron, go buy another console and explore more of gaming." I've made my disdain for Banjo's Smash inclusion very clear, and that's partially down to Smash marketing itself - by intention or accident - as an "honor of the most elite video games", which Banjo extremely obviously isn't, but a lot more down to it feeling like rewarding Nintendo fans for not expressing curiousity about other consoles and exploring the Xbox library beyond just "dead Rare IPs are being held hostage! oh no!" - which, sure, I guess would be in Nintendo's best interest, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also think it's quite strange to associate a character that was not created by Nintendo or for an existing Nintendo IP as being a "Nintendo character", it gives me the vibes of how Walt Disney used to put his signature on Carl Barks' comics, albeit to a much less extreme extent.

 

[UserKev]

Link should have the Cuckoo in his moveset.

 

[fogbadge]

I assume this is because of their lack of connections to Nintendo, correct?

To me personally, I think characters with little Nintendo ties should be prioritised as to say to Nintendo fans "stop being a console war moron, go buy another console and explore more of gaming." I've made my disdain for Banjo's Smash inclusion very clear, and that's partially down to Smash marketing itself - by intention or accident - as an "honor of the most elite video games", which Banjo extremely obviously isn't, but a lot more down to it feeling like rewarding Nintendo fans for not expressing curiousity about other consoles and exploring the Xbox library beyond just "dead Rare IPs are being held hostage! oh no!" - which, sure, I guess would be in Nintendo's best interest, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also think it's quite strange to associate a character that was not created by Nintendo or for an existing Nintendo IP as being a "Nintendo character", it gives me the vibes of how Walt Disney used to put his signature on Carl Barks' comics, albeit to a much less extreme extent.

or you could learn to accept that not every gamers has to have the same experience. open yourself to the possibility that owning one console could be down to financial reasons especially considering the prices of consoles these days. and that people playing only Nintendo is no skin off your nose

 

[Ze Diglett]

I assume this is because of their lack of connections to Nintendo, correct?

To me personally, I think characters with little Nintendo ties should be prioritised as to say to Nintendo fans "stop being a console war moron, go buy another console and explore more of gaming." I've made my disdain for Banjo's Smash inclusion very clear, and that's partially down to Smash marketing itself - by intention or accident - as an "honor of the most elite video games", which Banjo extremely obviously isn't, but a lot more down to it feeling like rewarding Nintendo fans for not expressing curiousity about other consoles and exploring the Xbox library beyond just "dead Rare IPs are being held hostage! oh no!" - which, sure, I guess would be in Nintendo's best interest, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also think it's quite strange to associate a character that was not created by Nintendo or for an existing Nintendo IP as being a "Nintendo character", it gives me the vibes of how Walt Disney used to put his signature on Carl Barks' comics, albeit to a much less extreme extent.

To me, it's not even a "buy another console" thing since nearly everything that's worth playing at this point is on PC anyway, even if you ignore unofficial means (which you shouldn't since it's the only reasonable way to play some games without already owning them on original hardware). If anything, Nintendo feels like the only member of the console race that has worthwhile exclusives anymore. A Switch and a beefy PC gets you access to pretty much every game that exists on modern hardware.

Besides that, I just kind of disagree with the philosophy that Smash is or should be comprised of only the most recognizable, marketable, and/or significant faces in gaming. Smash isn't a museum, that's just boring. I didn't come here to see characters we've all seen a million times, I wanna see the Banjos and K. Rools of the world get their day in the sun. A roster that's only allowed one specific type of character will always be boring no matter what the theme is, which is why it's important to have Ice Climbers and Plants next to Steves and Marios. Variety's the spice of life, which is why I can appreciate even that characters I don't care about are here. Except Corrin, he can go.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

To me, it's not even a "buy another console" thing since nearly everything that's worth playing at this point is on PC anyway, even if you ignore unofficial means (which you shouldn't since it's the only reasonable way to play some games without already owning them on original hardware). If anything, Nintendo feels like the only member of the console race that has worthwhile exclusives anymore. A Switch and a beefy PC gets you access to pretty much every game that exists on modern hardware.

Besides that, I just kind of disagree with the philosophy that Smash is or should be comprised of only the most recognizable, marketable, and/or significant faces in gaming. Smash isn't a museum, that's just boring. I didn't come here to see characters we've all seen a million times, I wanna see the Banjos and K. Rools of the world get their day in the sun. A roster that's only allowed one specific type of character will always be boring no matter what the theme is, which is why it's important to have Ice Climbers and Plants next to Steves and Marios. Variety's the spice of life, which is why I can appreciate even that characters I don't care about are here. Except Corrin, he can go.

I am not opposed to Banjo getting in over MC for being obscure while MC isn't - I am opposed to Smash marketing itself on being a gaming museum, and I believe that characters like Banjo are part of the reason that is bad - but an obscure 3P is actually a really good idea on its own, I could totally get behind snubbing Kratos for Vib Ribbon or putting in Voodoo Vince over Chief or something. The specific problem I have with Banjo in Smash is that he basically only got in because of a bizarre fandom conception that he is a "lost Nintendo character" who needed to "go back home" to a company that didn't even make his games, and how that weird console war mentality is bascially the only thing Banjo is known for outside of - and to an extent, within (at least to younger audiences) - Nintendo circles.

 

[Perkilator]

Besides that, I just kind of disagree with the philosophy that Smash is or should be comprised of only the most recognizable, marketable, and/or significant faces in gaming. Smash isn't a museum, that's just boring. I didn't come here to see characters we've all seen a million times, I wanna see the Banjos and K. Rools of the world get their day in the sun. A roster that's only allowed one specific type of character will always be boring no matter what the theme is, which is why it's important to have Ice Climbers and Plants next to Steves and Marios. Variety's the spice of life, which is why I can appreciate even that characters I don't care about are here. Except Corrin, he can go.

Thank you! This is why I fully support the inclusion of smaller 3rd party franchises in Smash like the Trails series. Inclusions like those can even help other people discover and maybe even get into franchises they wouldn't have cared about otherwise. Terry's inclusion was how I fully got into SNK as a whole, after all.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I am not opposed to Banjo getting in over MC for being obscure while MC isn't - I am opposed to Smash marketing itself on being a gaming museum, and I believe that characters like Banjo are part of the reason that is bad - but an obscure 3P is actually a really good idea on its own, I could totally get behind snubbing Kratos for Vib Ribbon or putting in Voodoo Vince over Chief or something. The specific problem I have with Banjo in Smash is that he basically only got in because of a bizarre fandom conception that he is a "lost Nintendo character" who needed to "go back home" to a company that didn't even make his games, and how that weird console war mentality is bascially the only thing Banjo is known for outside of - and to an extent, within (at least to younger audiences) - Nintendo circles.

I also take issue with how Smash chooses to bill itself especially in Ultimate, I just don't think it's productive to call out a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Picks like Banjo should not be seen as exceptions and therefore bad.

Also it's really not hard to see why people see Banjo that way considering he was one of the faces of the N64 and was plastered on Nintendo marketing materials at the time. I really don't think it's a case of Nintentubers gaslighting people who were too young to remember.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Also it's really not hard to see why people see Banjo that way considering he was one of the faces of the N64 and was plastered on Nintendo marketing materials at the time. I really don't think it's a case of Nintentubers gaslighting people who were too young to remember.

The historical context is irrelevant. The problem I have with Banjo is that people are treating an IP Nintendo did not make, does not own, and is currently in the partial control of its original creators as a "Nintendo IP" that is "lost from home", and that its presence on a Nintendo console is somehow - on principle - "significant" or a "victory", which made up a very major chunk of the motive for Banjo's fan demand. I am aware original devs have shared this sentiment, but I still find the idea to be a bizarre fringe of brand loyalty, that assigns the credit to the wrong people, and I'd still be saying this even if Xbox nabbed up something with a genuine gaming legacy like Pokemon. (Hell, I'd say there's something a bit off about series like Pokemon and Kirby being considered "Nintendo IPs" as is, even with Nintendo partially owning them. Not saying they shouldn't be used by Nintendo in crossovers or even branding, just that well... they should be seen as "HAL creations" or "Game Freak creations" first and foremost, and if they do eventually split off (the chance of which is not at all likely - but also not 0%, or at least more than 0.0%, as strange as it may sound), Nintendo fans should be open to their future elsewhere - cutting Pokemon or Kirby from Smash following a buyout, even by Sony or MS, would be a bad idea, mind you, but that's in large part because it would cause the "Bring them home" mentality to fester, alongside the extremely large amount of content that would be absent as a result.)

And, again, Banjo was one of the faces of the N64. Not the Xbox. As I said, it's rewarding fans for not showing curiousity about Xbox or PC games.

 

[Louie G.]

it's rewarding fans for not showing curiousity about Xbox or PC games.

I would understand this perspective more if DLC didn’t also consist of different characters who helped widen the scope of Nintendo fans. Joker, Terry, Sephiroth and Kazuya push fans outside of their bubble and many of these became beloved additions despite it.

As is I think you might be putting more significance on this more “meta” result of Banjo’s addition than it’s worth, that it emboldens annoying people. This reasonably shouldn’t matter very much. You confessed that Banjo is one of the faces of the N64, tying him tightly to Nintendo history and this is a Nintendo crossover game. It isn’t that difficult to understand how or why we got here, and I don’t think that’s a problem. I try not to let the more community based issues get in the way of my judgement here.

Personally though, I think all of Banjo / Steve / Master Chief should be on the roster. To your point about PC gaming, although it’s probably not what you have in mind, Steve was added in Ultimate and is iirc the first character on the roster to have debuted on the platform. Minecraft’s current scope obscures this a bit but I imagine many people experienced it first on PC, and Steve’s implementation in Smash pays more homage to that original Java version of the game.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Strong brand association is simply an inevitability of nostalgia, especially with consoles. Sony never owned Crash Bandicoot but the legacy of that trilogy on PSX lingers with fans, even 25 years later. Moreover, Banjo crossing over with Diddy (and by extension the Donkey Kong brand) via stuff like Diddy Kong Racing meant a connection between the two (on top of Rare's stuff being so critical in the 4th/5th generations) was basically an emotional guarantee with fans.

Assigning such strong sentimentality is perhaps wrongheaded and probably irrational with corporate entities, but the practice is so common that Banjo-Kazooie "coming home to Nintendo via Smash" hardly feels like that much of a significant example. One need only look at how mainline Final Fantasy is still seen by some sectors as a Playstation associated series despite the series starting out on Nintendo, getting releases on Xbox, and even FFVII (the game that helped make the PSX in the West) coming out on PC as early as 1998.

 

[Lenidem]

or you could learn to accept that not every gamers has to have the same experience. open yourself to the possibility that owning one console could be down to financial reasons especially considering the previous of consoles these days. and that people playing only Nintendo is no skin off your nose

This. I barely have time to play the games that I have on my Switch, and some dude on the Internet calls me a "console war moron" for not investing money and the time that I don't have in another system...

 

[RykZyk]

Speaking of this third-party character speculation...
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of this thing that many people speculate about the future of Smash Bros becoming an entire gaming museum at the point of including Sony, Valve or Microsoft "exclusive" IPs. i'd rather keep Smash Bros as a Nintendo crossover with some few guests here and there. I just think that Smash Bros being a Nintendo crossover has always been the charm of Smash Bros in the first place. Plus, only focusing on fanservice is a really bad idea in the long term... No matter how much fanservice you put it in - You'll never satisfy everyone. Plus i just really like when they put obscure classic characters that no one expected like R.O.B, or Duck Hunt.

This is just personal opinion, but i've always prefered third-parties that have long-history with Nintendo. It just feels right to have them standing along with the other Nintendo characters. (That's why my top picks are Bomberman and Goemon.)

 

[Diddy Kong]

This. I barely have time to play the games that I have on my Switch, and some dude on the Internet calls me a "console war moron" for not investing money and the time that I don't have in another system...

Consoles are a huge investment for most people. This is privileged sort of talk and thinking. Don't even take offense, these type of people aren't even worth your time

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

On the whole class criticism, I might have worded myself poorly there - I chose "Buy another console" as the wording because that is what I think Nintendo, the large corporate entity, would say in the unlikely case it were to take an anti-console war stance - what I'm really trying to say is "Do some research, look into the history, maybe buy some older consoles or pirate some stuff" or if there's not enough time to do that, at the very least "show respect and unity towards other hardware players", and that is probably what I should've said in the first place, even if it's obvious that that would never be said by Nintendo, easily the most anti-piracy and history-preservation-neutral studio out there, even in a brighter timeline, as what I said does come off as very ****ty when not given the very clear context of being "best possible thing that could come out of a company's mouth"

 

[fogbadge]

On the whole class criticism, I might have worded myself poorly there - I chose "Buy another console" as the wording because that is what I think Nintendo, the large corporate entity, would say in the unlikely case it were to take an anti-console war stance - what I'm really trying to say is "Do some research, look into the history, maybe buy some older consoles or pirate some stuff" or if there's not enough time to do that, at the very least "show respect and unity towards other hardware players", and that is probably what I should've said in the first place, even if it's obvious that that would never be said by Nintendo, easily the most anti-piracy and history-preservation-neutral studio out there, even in a brighter timeline, as what I said does come off as very ****ty when not given the very clear context of being "best possible thing that could come out of a company's mouth"

well piracy is illegal nobody should be telling anyone to do it
also Nintendo are known keeping copies off all their old games. so they do preserve them they just don’t make them available
perhaps you should try researching

 

[Opossum]

well piracy is illegal nobody should be telling anyone to do it
also Nintendo are known keeping copies off all their old games. so they do preserve them they just don’t make them available
perhaps you should try researching

This post is alarmingly ignorant.

Preservation CANNOT and should NEVER be placed in the care of massive corporations. Historically this has proven to be disastrous (look no further than the various Hollywood vault fires or the BBC taping over their old programming).

 

[fogbadge]

This post is alarmingly ignorant.

Preservation CANNOT and should NEVER be placed in the care of massive corporations. Historically this has proven to be disastrous (look no further than the various Hollywood vault fires or the BBC taping over their old programming).

I never said they should be in charge of it, I just said they have them all backed up

and I’m a whovian I know plenty about the beeb’s junking

 

[Opossum]

I never said they should be in charge of it, I just said they have them all backed up

and I’m a whovian I know plenty about the beeb’s junking

It doesn't matter if "they have them backed up." The point is that multiple, non-connected, and most preferably publicly available sources have them backed up.

What we want is a library. What you're describing isn't even a book store, but the equivalent of "dude trust me."

 

[fogbadge]

It doesn't matter if "they have them backed up." The point is that multiple, non-connected, and most preferably publicly available sources have them backed up.

What we want is a library. What you're describing isn't even a book store, but the equivalent of "dude trust me."

I know that I said they weren’t making them available. I didn’t say they were good at it just that they did it

 

[UserKev]

My take on Paper Mario, I'd probably love his recovery via a paper plane but would most likely end up disliking his overall playstyle. Given the Paper Mario games I played, they'll be some horrible end lags. I'd much enjoy him as a partial partner summon previous partners for utility.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I really appreciate how the Minecraft fandom wised up and realised the mob vote was directly causing their toxic discourse and spoke out against it instead of individuals, and I hope Smash fans can do the same as the series descends further and further into hype culture/fan demand hell.

 

[Quillion]

I really appreciate how the Minecraft fandom wised up and realised the mob vote was directly causing their toxic discourse and spoke out against it instead of individuals, and I hope Smash fans can do the same as the series descends further and further into hype culture/fan demand hell.

What makes you think Smash fans can't descend in to hype culture of their own accord with no influence from the devs themselves?

Even if the devs concentrated their efforts on improving the game rather than getting characters in (which, don't get me wrong, they should), anything they add and show off will feed into it.

 

[Quillion]

Sora Ltd. and Nintendo should outsource a comp of the old Smash games (say 64-Brawl) to Capcom.

No skin off the creators' back but some cash and IP rights, and Capcom could handle the potential network with their highly robust system as opposed to Nintendo's or Bamco's admittedly weak networks (last I checked for the latter).

Pipe dream dgmw, but still.

 

[Laniv]

Y'know, I always thought Mega Man being accurate to his sprites was cute.

 

[LazrGatr]

Here's mine.

Smash tournaments should use Remix for 64 and 1.03 for Melee.
No characters should be cut from the roster
Fire Emblem's representation is perfectly fine
In fact, I would add two more. Hector and Ephraim. A dedicated axe user and dedicated lance user would make great fighter concepts
Echoes are fine editions to Smash. The ones that have no gameplay differences should be alternate skins however. Like Peach and Daisy. (Yes I am aware their turnips used to be different in an older patch of Ultimate, doesn't change that they are now identical gameplay wise) Pit and Dark Pit should remain separate as they have real differences in their move sets.
Ultimate doesn't deserve its title. How can it be the ultimate Smash game w/o all the supplemental content of previous games like coin launcher, a boss battle mode, or trophies?

 

[Louie G.]

Y'know, I always thought Mega Man being accurate to his sprites was cute.

I will staunchly defend Mega Man’s implementation in Smash… for the most part. It’s so jarring for me to see the face-turn against it when back in 2013 it was unanimously loved and became the standard for the faithfulness to source material that the community would soon become obsessed with. Now because of a fixation on one shortcoming I’ve seen fans imply he is being handled as poorly as Sonic. Chill.

I think building him around the NES sprite is inspired, and frankly makes Mega Man feel like one of the third parties with the most loving and personal touch. It clearly comes from a place of deep reverence. That’s not to say it’s perfect. I think he can definitely stand to have a few more emotions here and there, something the original series has never really shied away from. And like, he should at least blink. Ever since I noticed that, it’s struck me as uncanny that he doesn’t.

But everything else about him is great even if I don’t vibe with the playstyle. And I want to say in general, not to imply it should render all criticism void, but third parties are put through a presumably rigorous cycle of back and forth notes between Nintendo and the company involved to conclude on something both parties are happy with. Agree with them or not, this version of Mega Man is Capcom approved. So much so that it has evidently inspired his canonical design.

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

The contributions of Yoko Shimomura to Super Smash Bros is seriously underrated. I mean getting one of the most beloved video game composers ever do to remixes of the Tetris theme, Minecraft music, some Nintendo songs and much much more is really historically significant to video games, and I hardly see anyone acknowledge she worked on Smash’s remixes.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The contributions of Yoko Shimomura to Super Smash Bros is seriously underrated. I mean getting one of the most beloved video game composers ever do to remixes of the Tetris theme, Minecraft music, some Nintendo songs and much much more is really historically significant to video games, and I hardly see anyone acknowledge she worked on Smash’s remixes.

Shimomura's work is so consistently great, and she's touched so many big franchises that it somehow creates a paradoxical effect of underappreciation because some gamers know and love her for one IP. Heck I'm an older fan and even when I hear people gush about her KH and Mario & Luigi music, I still think of her as the wizard who crafted the Super Mario RPG soundtrack (and then did it again 27 years later).

 

[fogbadge]

The contributions of Yoko Shimomura to Super Smash Bros is seriously underrated. I mean getting one of the most beloved video game composers ever do to remixes of the Tetris theme, Minecraft music, some Nintendo songs and much much more is really historically significant to video games, and I hardly see anyone acknowledge she worked on Smash’s remixes.

That’s a shame I think she’s the video game composer

 

[MasterCheef]

Numbers = character slots , & , ( 61 total playable characters )

1 , 2 , 3 = Mario , ( Luigi = echo ) , Peach , ( Daisy = echo ) , & , Yoshi
4 , & , 5 = Bowser , & , Wario
6 , & , 7 , & , 8 = Donkey Kong , & , Diddy Kong , & , King K Rool
9 , & , 10 , & , 11 , & , 12 = Link , & , Zelda , & , Impa , & , Ganondorf
13 , & , 14 = Samus , ( Dark Samus = echo ) , & , Ridley
15 , & , 16 = Kirby , & King DeDeDe
17 , 18 , & , 19 = Pikachu , & , Gholdengo , & , Iron Valiant
20 = Pokemon Trainer : Chesnaught , Quaquaval , Incineroar
21 , & , 22 = Pit , ( Dark Pit = echo ) , & , Palutena
23 = Mii Brawler , & , Mii Gunner , & , Mii Sword Mage
24 = Isabelle , ( Animal Crossing )
25 & 26 = Byleth & Alear ( Fire Emblem )
27 , 28 , 29 = Shulk , & ,( Pyra + Mythra ) , & , Noah + ( Mio = echo )
30 = Inkling , & , ( Octoling = Echo ) Splatoon
31 = Officer Howard – Astral Chain
32 = Ring Fit Trainee
33 = Tabuu

Base 3rd party
34 = Sonic
35 = Pac-Man
36 = Kazuya
37 = New ( Tales of ) rep from New ( Tales of ) game , via , Bandai Namco
38 = Yumia ( Ryza & Marie = Alts ) = Atelier , via , Koei Tecmo
39 = Borderlands rep , via ; 2K & Telltale Games
40 = Crash Bandicoot , via ; Activision

DLC
41 = Vault Boy
42 = New PokeMon Rep
43 = Monster Hunter , via , Capcom ; MHST2 , design
44 = Pyramid Head — Silent Hill 2
45 = codename : Legacy = XenoBlade Origins : protagonist
46 , & , 47 = ( Ahri & Lux ) - League of Legends , via Riot Games
48 = ( Soul Calibur ) Rep ; NOT Nightmare
49 , & , 50 = Master Chief & Arbiter ( Halo )

This is the best roster for Smash 6.

 

[RykZyk]

Unpopular opinion i have:
I don't think we really need new fighting game characters since we've already the trinity of FG represented (and very well) being SF, KoF and Tekken. With this i'm not saying that everything else from FG are bad ideas, i'd actually really like Fulgore from Killer Instinct, and there are still some solid choices like Chun-Li or Sol Badguy. but for me i think we're good at FG representation, especially with other genres being badly represented, i'm dead serious why puzzle games are only represented by a Mario clone??? (I'm a Dr. Mario fan, i like to play as him, but yeah he is a bad puzzle rep.)

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I find it a bit weird how people say Astro Bot is "just a giant ad", but give Smash the benefit of the doubt - considering Astro Bot doesn't use the character or game names at all, and treats the characters more like fun cameos than Smash's all-important vibe (even though, yes, by all means playable Smash characters are - or least should be - just cameos). Not that there isn't a marketing element to Astro Bot, but it's very clearly on, if not the lesser end, at least the subtler.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

A game can always be an ad for other titles while still acting as a tribute to them.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

A game can always be an ad for other titles while still acting as a tribute to them.

I never denied that either game is sincere as a tribute, even as a Smash cynic I don't think I'd go that far, I'm moreso just expressing a dislike at a disconnect between Smash's reputation and other crossovers, where it's never called out for being "just an ad" outside of when it does Byleth/Pythra type picks, with Astro Bot being kinda what brought that take to my mind due to its relevancy and different handling of existing characters compared to Smash, but it could apply to any other corporate backed crossover - Space Jam 2, Ready Player One, Wreck-It Ralph 2, even Fortnite.

 

[fogbadge]

I never denied that either game is sincere as a tribute, even as a Smash cynic I don't think I'd go that far, I'm moreso just expressing a dislike at a disconnect between Smash's reputation and other crossovers, where it's never called out for being "just an ad" outside of when it does Byleth/Pythra type picks, with Astro Bot being kinda what brought that take to my mind due to its relevancy and different handling of existing characters compared to Smash, but it could apply to any other corporate backed crossover - Space Jam 2, Ready Player One, Wreck-It Ralph 2, even Fortnite.

you should watch the reviewer yhatzee