I think that Ultimate will probably become the next “Melee” since it’s highly likely that characters are getting cut next game (I’m saying 40+, but hopefully I’m wrong when the time comes), and I’m unsure we’ll ever get a roster of this size again let alone another Everyone is Here. With the roster decreasing in size, I can see some fans sticking to Ultimate and creating a community similar to Melee, even if I asssume that most players move onto the next game since it’s the new entry like Sword and Shield.
I dunno if Ultimate really has enough tech or unique mechanics to stick around for decades like Melee has, but only time will tell, I guess.
When people say they miss Subspace what they really mean they missed the cutscenes and boss battles from that mode. Glad the development team only took the best parts from that mode like they did with Smash Tour.
Nah, ya boi actually really liked SSE's gameplay. Admittedly sluggish beat-em-up style gameplay >>> whatever the **** World of Light was going for. Really fun and bizarre crossover scenarios and an actual story to speak of were the icing on the cake.
Other characters shouldn’t get in over the main character. There. I said it.
If anything, this is a big part of what bothers me about how Smash picks its characters. Picking the main guy or the big bad every single time is boring, and it's why the few times that Ultimate bucked this trend over the years were, in my opinion, some of the most interesting picks we've ever seen.
Why is he treated as an exceptional case as opposed to other 4th parties/non-gaming characters? If you want to really get down to it then Superman had more games then Goku ever had. Popeye has a history of being the core inspiration for what eventually led to Mario originally with the Donkey Kong arcade being planned to be a Popeye game. You don't see people talking about those.
Oh sweet lord, man, if Popeye ever got added to Smash, I'd actually be interested for the first time in years. IMAGINE the reveal trailer.
- None of what I said applies to Dixie Kong and I don't feel like explaining why. She's the only Nintendo character who I feel is truly missing from Smash
Alright, hot take time: I don't get the hype behind Dixie Kong. She's a
fine character, I thought she was cool in Tropical Freeze (Cranky's way more fun tho), but at the same time, when we're getting to sidekicks of sidekicks, it's kinda hard for me to get excited at that point. I dunno, I just don't really feel like she's an unforgiveable exclusion or that the roster's incomplete without her, y'know? (Toad's in a similar boat for me, except he's not even really third-banana tier like Dixie Kong is. He's more like the Mario-verse equivalent of a lemming.)
- I like "shill picks" because they make the roster feel fresh. For the longest time Incineroar was the newest character in the game and he was from 2016, predating the hardware the very game was on, and I feel that Byleth, Min Min, and Pythra rectified that.
Issue is, if you go adding characters purely based on what's "hot" at the time, you risk adding characters whose inclusions will inevitably age horribly like Corrin and, to a lesser extent, Incineroar. (Yes, I said it.)
People get too focused on whether Smash is Nintendo All-Stars! or whether it's A Celebration of Gaming!
Both have been said, yes, but people want Smash to be 100% this or 100% that.
Smash is both. And neither. And sometimes inbetween.
Smash is Smash. It's its own thing now.
Don't try to define it or limit it.
Let it be what it is.
My take is, Smash is not a "Celebration of Gaming," nor is it "Nintendo All-Stars" or whatever BS people spout to put the game on a pedestal these days. It is quite literally just a game.
Also you all also need to stop asking for character overhauls. Judging from the reactions most of you had to Terry and especially Kazuya more than prove to me that most of you do NOT play other fighting games at all. So most of you don't realize that the "character overhauls" you mentioned rarely ever worked out. Because you're asking people to throw away years of legacy skill. And for someone who didn't even play the character in the first place? Sakurai is a fighting game fan and understands this very well. Harada learned this the hard way with Jin in Tekken 4, that's why we have Devil Jin in Tekken 5. In my 30 years of existence and enjoying fighting games, there has been ONE character in the entire Fighting game genre that had a moveset overhaul that worked well enough that almost no one complained about the change (it's Charlie Nash from Street Fighter). And there are a LOT of factors as to why that worked.
Nah. Character changes are good and I'm tired of pretending they aren't. Are you really telling me you couldn't give Donkey Kong a coconut gun or hell, a barrel instead of that stupid little headbutt he has for a Side-B? C'mon, now.
It only really works because Dr Mario isn't really fleshed out as his own character, for the likes of Daisy there's way less of an excuse
The clones aren't to blame for that, and once these are out of the equation "bloat" is completely and utterly meaningless. Heck, once these challenges are out of the equation the arguments that people use to argue that the clones are "bloat" could just as easily be used to argue that the Alph alt is "bloat," how come the people who still demand the removal of clones today aren't also demanding the removal of the Alph alt?
Then there's no excuse whatsoever for people to still be playing the "bLoAt" card now that Ultimate is a thing.
Funnily enough, "bloat" is exactly the word I would use to describe Ultimate, and the Echo Fighters I feel contribute to that. I get that they're harmless additions in terms of workload, but their inclusion frankly reeks of padding and communicates a desire on Nintendo's part to simply buff the game's numbers up as much as possible rather than committing to any cool new ideas. This "quantity > quality" approach is the main issue I have with Ultimate, and I feel it hurts the game in a lot of ways that people will really begin to appreciate with time.
Some strange part of my brain says that they should have added a Minecraft stage builder instead of Steve to represent the series better.
Genuinely agree with this, but most Smash fans won't be able to comprehend the idea since they're so hyperfocused on characters being the end-all-be-all for representation, even when something like a stage or assist trophy would fit better.
Incineroar was not the ideal choice for a Gen VII Pokemon (that honor goes to Buzzwole or Pheromosa), but it was a much better choice than Decidueye could've ever been. I'd rather keep it around than Greninja.
Speaking personally, I feel a plant-based avian archer (of which we only have 6 currently, half of which being clones,
all of which only pull out their bow for one move) had a lot more potential to be unique than yet another fire-based brawler, but that's just me.
)
