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[Deleted member]

Guys I hate myself Mii Gunner
Hands down the most annoying character in this ****ing game

Ehh, it just takes skill.
I played Mii Gunner a lot during Ultimate's beginning times, and Mii Gunner was fun. They can be outplayed if you just avoid their projectiles.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure we don't agree. It comes down to our approach to LGBTQ representation.

From what I understand of your argument you want the flow of theme exploration to be LGBTQ - > Other themes. The entire game would be an exploration of LGBTQ characters and the aspects that come with that.

What I would do is Other Themes - > LGBTQ.

Have a broader, more general theme, and use that to explore LGBTQ narratives through different party members or social links. Those can be upfront. There are LGBTQ party members, but it's not the entire party. Again, think Persona 4, except if Yosuke was bi (like he was supposed to be), Kanji were gay, and Naoto were trans. I get that with the latter two in OG Persona 4 you could "interpret the gay away" (and indeed the gay was interpreted away in continuations of the story), but I agree with @Prince Alucard that exploring the themes and motifs without being upfront can be effective, and would be effective within a Persona game.

LGBTQ isn't a theme though, in the same way that vampires isn't a theme, or heck, dare I say it, straight people. They could be anything in the story, what matters is the message they convey.

However, I don't agree that LGBT people should solely hide in subtext and innuendo. The only reason for that is solely tradition, because the only reason why that is and why we don't have much media that's openly about LGBT people the same way it is about straight people, dinosaurs, vampires, or whatever is because of censorship in the past. Which is why themes relating to LGBT people had to hide within straight characters in monster movies and such.

 

[KMDP]

Is Layton gets in smash, Ill finally sleep
If Sora gets in smash, Ill eat more then coffee
If erdrik get in smash, Ill.. um... do both things

Wait...

Eat more Coffee?

 

[Deleted member]

The most annoying character for me is probably .

 

[Deleted member]

If Mach Rider gets in as DLC I'll better myself and respect myself.


I chose Mach Rider cause they'll never get in as DLC so Me Respecting myself? Hah funny Joke, that's almost as likely as Geno getting into the fighters pass (He has a shot as Season 2/Misc. DLC not as a Fighter pass character.)

 

[Zinith]

Automatically beats

So everyone except and ?

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

If one of the characters I want gets in, I'll buy them. That's it. End of story. Ba-bye.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

no
if elma doesnt get in i will persist on this mortal coil until the heat death of the universe like some kind of unkillable vermin

so yall better hope shes in

nah I’ll hope for the opposite just because you need an enemy

I would honestly pay money for a playable Masahiro Sakurai. I wouldn't care how broken he ends up being, but the plot twist...

Reggie, Miyamoto, Doug Bowser, Bullet Bill, and Iwata aswell...need to have all of them

Automatically beats

Sakurai doesn’t fight his children due to him giving them all his powers out of love (but does kill the rest with ease)

 

[Deleted member]

So everyone except and ?

Yes because Ken is secretly Sakurai's kid and Doc is Sakurai's IRL Doctor, that's why he came back in Smash 4.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'm pretty sure we don't agree. It comes down to our approach to LGBTQ representation.

From what I understand of your argument you want the flow of theme exploration to be LGBTQ - > Other themes. The entire game would be an exploration of LGBTQ characters and the aspects that come with that.

What I would do is Other Themes - > LGBTQ.

Have a broader, more general theme, and use that to explore LGBTQ narratives through different party members or social links. Those can be upfront. There are LGBTQ party members, but it's not the entire party. Again, think Persona 4, except if Yosuke was bi (like he was supposed to be), Kanji were gay, and Naoto were trans. I get that with the latter two in OG Persona 4 you could "interpret the gay away" (and indeed the gay was interpreted away in continuations of the story), but I agree with @Prince Alucard that exploring the themes and motifs alone can be, and would be effective within a Persona game.

I’m clearly failing to communicate my stance. I don’t want it to be LGBTQ > other themes, I want it to be LGBTQ = other themes.

 

[KarneraMythos]

The most annoying character for me is probably .

Tee-hee-hee~

 

[Deleted member]

Tee-hee-hee~
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*Laughs in 2.0.0 patch*

 

[Deleted member]

If Mythra gets into Smash I'll post a drawing of her naked to go out in a blaze of banned glory.

In the words of my boy Etika

"that's a save".

 

[PolarPanda]

Not too related to Smash but related to me getting a new source and also some nice Pokemon information for those interested...:

I'm not sure if it has been sharing here yet, but I got back to my source about the Pokemon information.

Alright. So, a different Nintendo Brand Ambassador than my main source is claiming that the game is going to be revealed within the coming weeks, so definitely soon. By this, I assume it's incredibly likely that pokemon day will have a reveal, but it's not guaranteed. I would also like to say this as clearly as possible: this is not from my main source that knew about the Link's Awakening remake and other direct reveals, this is from a completely different brand ambassador who I only recently met thru my main source. I was told that he has a pretty good track record (right about 75% of the time), so take this with a grain of salt. IMO treat it more as a decently reliable rumor as opposed to full-on leak. I WILL tell you if my main source here's anything guaranteed about the game or its revealed, although he may not.

Link to my tweet:

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[Good Guy Giygas]

Tee-hee-hee~
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Mmmmmmega Man! Ooooooh!!!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Guys I hate myself Mii Gunner
Hands down the most annoying character in this ****ing game

thats me but floppy Shiek. ***** move around so damn fast

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If Neku gets into Smash I will uhhhh

Wear the most ridiculous clothing I have for a day??? Idk

 

[Deleted member]

PsySmasher is so good.
Edit you too, Moydow.

Tee-hee-hee~
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OH BE QUIET YOU...

 

[Deleted member]

Not too related to Smash but related to me getting a new source and also some nice Pokemon information for those interested...:

I'm not sure if it has been sharing here yet, but I got back to my source about the Pokemon information.

Alright. So, a different Nintendo Brand Ambassador than my main source is claiming that the game is going to be revealed within the coming weeks, so definitely soon. By this, I assume it's incredibly likely that pokemon day will have a reveal, but it's not guaranteed. I would also like to say this as clearly as possible: this is not from my main source that knew about the Link's Awakening remake and other direct reveals, this is from a completely different brand ambassador who I only recently met thru my main source. I was told that he has a pretty good track record (right about 75% of the time), so take this with a grain of salt. IMO treat it more as a decently reliable rumor as opposed to full-on leak. I WILL tell you if my main source here's anything guaranteed about the game or its revealed, although he may not.

Link to my tweet:

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Noipoi News on a Possible Gen 8 reveal on Pokemon Day

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

There is so much media with heterosexual people in mind as the main demographic in mind, I don't see the big deal if a piece of media has LGBT people in mind. Nevermind that there are pieces of media that are just entirely about the oppression of a certain people and for good reason.

Granted it's almost never video games that portray such issues directly, also for a reason, since they're still seen as mostly just entertainment, mindless entertainment even. Whenever something deep is in a game it's almost always subtext.

And speaking of that message, I don't think most LGBT people simply want them to be portrayed as just "oppressed". In fact from my experience a lot of people understand that LGBT people are oppressed, but they don't really understand why. Especially when they disregard a lot of stuff as completely harmless. There's definitely things that non-lgbt people can relate to when it comes to these instances of oppression. Hence why LGBT issues are often shown through lots of subtext in media rather than upfront. Though I don't think LGBT matters should be shunned for being shown upfront like they often are. The reason why they're even mostly subtext in the first place stems from censorship.



Zoo Tycoon should work like Duck Hunt. With the zookeeper and all kinds of animals. LMAO

I agree with you. I mostly just think the characters should be fleshed out, rather than made “the gay guy”. At least, that was my point.

If heterosexual people get characters that aren’t just defined by being straight, then gay characters shouldn’t always have the anchor of “i’m gay”.

Anything that makes for more exposure for those oppressed, i’m game! Especially in an engaging genre like gaming!

 

[KarneraMythos]

*Laughs in 2.0.0 patch*

Still in Elite with him and still pretty dangerous :v

Although I consider Zelda my best character, LOL

In all seriousness though, I fear he's getting nothing but nerfs from here on out, even though there are characters with a million options in offense and defense that far surpass his zoning game :L

PsySmasher is so good.

OH BE QUIET YOU...

 

[Deleted member]

My worst matchup used to be , but then I played through his constant smash attacks and jabs and he became easier to handle.

 

[Will]

day 18 back from work now playing minecraft again:

WHERE THE **** AM I AAAAAAA

highkey considering starting a new server but on hardcore mode to test my gamer skills and also because these villagers suck with trades

 

[ZephyrZ]

The only thing problematic about Mega Man is his infuriating down-b. Tone it down a little but don't totally neuter it and then I think the character would be pretty reasonable.

Thankfully Ultimate seems really conservative about balance changes so far. I doubt any character is going to be nerfed to the ground.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

If one of the characters I want gets in, I'll buy them. That's it. End of story. Ba-bye.

I've already bought the Fighters Pass so I'm just along for the ride at this point.

I’m clearly failing to communicate my stance. I don’t want it to be LGBTQ > other themes, I want it to be LGBTQ = other themes.

Then we still disagree.

I also believe you may have misunderstood my point. When I used "->" it was to emphasize leading into. You want the theme of LGBTQ to be the large overarching theme by which other themes are explored, whereas I would want a larger theme from which LGBTQ representation could be explored.

I'm gonna quote Scoliosis Jones since he makes my point better for me.

I agree with you. I mostly just think the characters should be fleshed out, rather than made “the gay guy”. At least, that was my point.

If heterosexual people get characters that aren’t just defined by being straight, then gay characters shouldn’t always have the anchor of “i’m gay”.

Anything that makes for more exposure for those oppressed, i’m game! Especially in an engaging genre like gaming!

That's what I want, and that's why I'd start with a larger theme and then go into LGBTQ representation. I believe it'd be the best way to go about it in a practical, character design sense. If you start designing a character with the sentiment "this character is going to be gay" then you've already lost. LGBTQ people are people too, and they shouldn't be defined by a label; by beginning to design a character or a game with a label already in mind then you've already lost.

Consider it this way. I want to remake Ghostbusters. I have two methods.

I can either make "Ghostbusters but with girls," or, "Ghostbusters, but explores themes of patriarchy and feminism (and from that has girls)."

The reason I would go for the latter over the former is because it allows for a deeper dive into the themes explored and makes characters well fleshed out and not tokens meant to pander to a demographic. Furthermore, the latter is likely going to be better critically received, and has less room for error in applications of character and story design. If you begin with a wider theme and let that naturally lead into another with well fleshed out characters tied into that wider theme, it makes for better representation.

 

[Will]

I can either make "Ghostbusters but with girls," or, "Ghostbusters, but explores themes of patriarchy and feminism (and from that has girls)."

still gets flack both ways

 

[Deleted member]

The only thing problematic about Mega Man is his infuriating down-b. Tone it down a little but don't totally neuter it and then I think the character would be pretty reasonable.

Thankfully Ultimate seems really conservative about balance changes so far. I doubt any character is going to be nerfed to the ground.

Campy Mega Mans are probably a heavy's worst nightmare.
I fought a Mega Man as Incineroar once, and it was brutal.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I've already bought the Fighters Pass so I'm just along for the ride at this point.

Then we still disagree.

I also believe you may have misunderstood my point. When I used "->" it was to emphasize leading into. You want the theme of LGBTQ to be the large overarching theme by which other themes are explored, whereas I would want a larger theme from which LGBTQ representation could be explored.

I'm gonna quote Scoliosis Jones since he makes my point better for me.

That's what I want, and that's why I'd start with a larger theme and then go into LGBTQ representation. I believe it'd be the best way to go about it in a practical, character design sense. If you start designing a character with the sentiment "this character is going to be gay" then you've already lost. LGBTQ people are people too, and they shouldn't be defined by a label; by beginning to design a character or a game with a label already in mind then you've already lost.

Consider it this way. I want to remake Ghostbusters. I have two methods.

I can either make "Ghostbusters but with girls," or, "Ghostbusters, but explores themes of patriarchy and feminism (and from that has girls)."

The reason I would go for the latter over the former is because it allows for a deeper dive into the themes explored and makes characters well fleshed out and not tokens meant to pander to a demographic. Furthermore, the latter is likely going to be better critically received, and has less room for error in applications of character and story design. If you begin with a wider theme and let that naturally lead into another with well fleshed out characters tied into that wider theme, it makes for better representation.

But if you don’t start there, then all the straight people writing the game will never think to do it at all ever.

 

[Noipoi]

still gets flack both ways

Literally everything that has ever been made will get flack.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Mii Gunner...Hands down the most annoying character in this ****ing game

The internet would disagree on that

 

[Will]

But if you don’t start there, then all the straight people writing the game will never think to do it at all ever.

Isn't it a bit rude to assume straight people would never ever in their life consider LGBT views in their content ever?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Isn't it a bit rude to assume straight people would never ever in their life consider LGBT views in their content ever?

Then how come it hasn’t happened already?

 

[Noipoi]

But if you don’t start there, then all the straight people writing the game will never think to do it at all ever.

Yeah bro people never, ever make media about groups they don't belong too.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Yeah bro people never, ever make media about groups they don't belong too.

You say that but but we’re still underrepresented in media. If that weren’t an issue then we would be more recognized.

 

[Mythra]

If Mythra gets into Smash I'll post a drawing of her naked to go out in a blaze of banned glory.

>11 Likes

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[Will]

Then how come it hasn’t happened already?

Last time I checked, they aren't LGBT, they're the demonic cis-kind like me.

You can also argue they either aren't knowledgeable enough on the topic to go deep into it, or that they fear retaliation for misrepresentation. An LGBT person knows what an LGBT person does best, but that doesn't mean a straight person could never understand if they had devoted enough time into the research and personal connections.

You say that but but we’re still underrepresented in media.

dude do you not know what cartoon network's most money-making show is rn

have you not seen j.k. rowling

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

>11 Likes

Mrs._Puff_Oh_Neptune.jpg

It's the internet...

What did you expect?

 

[Cosmic77]

Guys I hate myself Mii Gunner
Hands down the most annoying character in this ****ing game

For me, the most annoying character in the game is still Cloud.

I'm sorry, but a Cloud player who camps and relies almost entirely on filling the Limit Gauge is not a good player. It's even more infuriating when the person using him feels the need to taunt multiple times when they take away a stock.

 

[Deleted member]

>11 Likes

Mrs._Puff_Oh_Neptune.jpg

Well, a lot of people agree that Mythra is sexy.

 

[Aurane]

If Mythra gets into Smash, I'll touch her *******. ;D

Oh my how lewd.