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I don't see how town Strongman is possible is most set-ups unless there is a mafia doctor/BP scum.
Why are you alive if so many people listed you as a scum pick? No one was going to Doc you. Two protectives flipped and I was a back-up for them as well. There is no way there are four protectives in the game, that hurts scum a lot.
I don't see why this provoked you to vote PBJ at the beginning of the Day or to out your role. In fact, you immediately voted and claimed rather than thinking about possibilities such as being roleblocked, which I don't like.PBJ I shot you last night and you lived explain.
If this is the case shouldn't you have become town jailer N1?
What exactly is a chemist vig?
I don't think he did, I was jailer in that game and if I jailed someone who another player tried to perform an action in which they would normally receive a result (such as cop, tracker) on they received an "action failed" result but if they normally don't receive a result in the form of a pm they didn't find out their action was blocked or prevented.I'm damn sure Nabe tells people when they are token locked bass on Halloween mafia.
So why are you alive?
@Bolded: Can you please explain what the difference is between a chemist vig and a regular vig? What was your ability Night 2? Be specific.Oh no, there is no third protective that was me n1 and n2, and I don't believe for a second a townie used their doc on you.
I'm Shu Nakajima, town genius.
Whoever gets lynched I turn into a one night back up for them or in N2s case whoever dies first.
N1 I found out I was a doctor and protected OS.
This is why I questioned if Chuckie was actually trolling or not when they looked serious about it.
N2 I turned into the poison protection doctor, it removes poison or stops it from targeting the player, that was what I was told.
N3 happened and I turned into a chemist vig and shot you.
I back up protectives so I seriously doubt there is a fourth one.
I'm damn sure Nabe tells people when they are token locked bass on Halloween mafia.
So why are you alive?
I'm confused. You get to scan someone in particular? Who have you targeted so far? What were your results?
What makes you think that someone tried to poison OS last Night?
Why the vote? YesturDay, you were completely inactive besides from one "RVS" vote. Unless I missed it, you haven't laid any suspicion on OS up until this point in the game. So where is this coming from?
Should be Night 3, not Night 2. My mistake.myself said:
Generic. flailing =/= scummy, and a lot of people (including J, who came off very townie yesterDay, but we'll get to him later) made this bad point.Circus said:
Generic. Assuming scum would be the ones who try to avoid the wagon doesn't really delve into each individual player, and only serves as a way to easily blanket players together.Circus said:
Fishy for the same reasons J posted. Also, line in bold felt somewhat forced.
badabosh. Guess I'm town then.
I actually really like this post because it feels very genuine, like Soup would later say. Brutally honest without any scum mindset detectable.Circus said:
I'm a bit paranoid about July's need to state what "she would have done" wrt Chuckie wagon and paint herself in a negative light.This makes sense, not only with the 12/6 present distribution but if that really is the case then it's a set-up very similar to the first Nabe Halloween game.
I can understand that and see the logic in this, especially when Chuckie laid out all those points about La Bateleur yesterDay, but what I don't understand is why Chuckie would do that if he's the inquisitor. If their linked he threw his partner thing to the wolves and presented a lot of information on him that seemed pretty highly focused on getting him killed or revealed as Nabe or something along those lines.
Good point.
I'm skimming through a lot of the evidence, a lot of it is speculative/kinda paranoid but I can see where the paranoia is coming from and how the pieces fit together in this theory of what's happened, even if I don't believe it is wholesale. I do think that (having already read what happened toDay and I know that Chuckie was quicklynched ;-that lynch did seem inevitable especially with this much speculation, evidence, and suspicion presented around the slot.
I also noticed the "from a friend" comment and found it strange, so I'd agree to keeping an eye on him.
Not agreeing with this though; I like Soup so far, he's been one of the most active players and I didn't see him advocating a No Lynch or being terrified of outing the true game. I saw him more as thinking before acting and trying to find the best approach to the Day rather than a knee jerk reaction.
:-/ I recognize that OS had a hella long wall and that there are some convincing points, but at least state what you agree with or add something to the conversation. My feelings of dislike for Raziek are only being reinforced toDay.
I like this, I think this was a really important attempt to get the Chuckie wagon to talk and identify itself and what it's reasoning was. Some was clear while others was not and is not and needs to be looked at toMorrow.
I really, really like this post because I think it digs into a lot of the same things I'm feeling reading what's gone down toDay. I liked Chuckie yesterDay but many of the points which OS raised are valid.
However, what I particularly like about this is that Swords is one of the few people (Soup being another) who actually looked outside of Chuckie for toDay at who else is suspicious and why. I agree with Raziek being suspicious and I generally find his play this game knee-jerky and sparse of any information or analysis which actually indicates that he is scumhunting or gives even half a **** about scumhunting this game.
Circus I'm a little less sure of, I tend to read him as town but I like Swords points on him and I think Swords is really taking initiative to scumhunt here so I definitely think he should be looked at toMorrow. And RR:
Is in a very similar boat to Raziek.
I see a little bit of explanation (which is mostly regurgitation of old information) here, but I also don't see a really strong commitment or belief to the Chuckie wagon. The last line is a very resigned, "I don't see a reason to move my vote", which clearly doesn't show much passion or belief in the actual legitimacy of the Chuckie wagon and he doesn't seem concerned with pushing it, talking about it and getting information from Chuckie or anything.
Main lead from yesterDay I'd like to follow up on Raziek. And no I don't think we should throw everything from yesterDay out the window, a lot of it isn't useful honestly but some of us could be helpful in looking at connections, attitudes, scumhunting, etc.
This was my main problem with buying 100% into OS' suggestion, but then OS posted this
And I remember that moment when La B called Chuckie "Kataefi" and that makes a lot of sense. This is why I understand the Chuckie wagon and probably would have ended up on it if it had, you know, actually been a legit wagon and not got hijacked and resulted in a ql. So while there are certain people like Raziek, RR, and Ryker who need to be looked at for their hella suspicious jumps on the wagon, I do think other people genuinely had reason to get on the wagon.
Thank you
And I agree that Ryker is someone to be looked at toMorrow, regardless of the flip.
Scum leans/suspicions I'd like to look into toMorrow: Raziek, RR, Ryker, JDeitz (to a lesser extent), Circus (to a lesser extent)
Admitting that you would probably be on a wagon that looked like it was probably a mislynch at that point is a weird thing to be admitting to. It kinda makes me think of a thought process along the line of ("Hey I'm scum so I'm going to be saying something that scum would never say!") *Ahem* "I would have honestly joined this mislynch guys!"
Can you go more into this line of thought for me?
I'm leaning more scum than townie. The lean is slight though and not fullproof as OS was definitely trying to hunt Indy as I said before. There are just some things here and there that are bugging me in his lapses in logic and it would not surprise me if he was a "2nd generation L" at this point in time.
Why would you give OS town points based on indy hunting alone? If he was mafia, wouldn't he still want to catch the indy? I think OS is town, but indy hunting isn't a good reason to lean that way. What makes you think he's scum?
