Trust your instincts ~ Match-Up Index

[Red Arremer]

The Fox Matchup-Up Index

Match-Up Ratios By the BBR


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General Match-Up Discussion

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Character-Specific Match-Up Discussion Exports​

NOTE: Click a character's icon to go to their respective thread!

S Tier


A Tier


B Tier


C Tier

D Tier

E Tier

F Tier

G(anon) Tier

LEGEND:

0% - No Match-Up Export available yet (see General Discussion for a bit more info)
25% - Export Available, Discussion in Progress
50% - Temporary Ratio Complete, In-Detail Discussion in Progress
75% - In-Detail Discussion Complete, Creating Summary
100% - Match-Up Complete!

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Update Summary
08/13/09: Match-Up Index created; started Discussions for Meta Knight and Snake.
08/14/09: Added Praxis' Guide to Match-Up ratios.
08/20/09: In-Depth Discussions for Snake and Meta Knight started.
08/30/09: Summary for Snake started, Discussion for Meta Knight extended, Discussion for Diddy started.
09/03/09: Summary for Meta Knight started, Discussion for Falco started.
10/16/09: Summary for Diddy and Falco started, Discussion for Marth and Ice Climbers started.
03/05/10: Updated the Index with the new discussions created by Zephil and Code Lyon (Game & Watch, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Ike and Pikachu).
03/06/10: Discussion for Dedede added.
03/11/10: Discussion for Olimar added.
04/10/10: Discussion for R.O.B. added. Updated the status of several characters (Meta Knight, Falco, Dedede, Donkey Kong, Ike)
04/11/10: Discussion for Samus, Lucario, Pit and Toon Link added.
05/26/10: Discussion for Sonic added.

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Old Match-Up Exports run by Xiivi
Pikachu
Meta Knight
Zero Suit Samus
Snake
Luigi
Mr. Game & Watch
Diddy Kong
Wario
King Dedede

 

[SCOTU]

well, I essentially Murdered this thread on accident while trying to fix it. It's better now though.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

that looks pretty slick actually
o.o

now we just gotta fill it up, lol

 

[Lightning93]

Looking great! Can't wait to get this thing started!

 

[RPK]

Are we actually going to have good looking match up threads? YES!!!

 

[Fenrir VII]

: ) I like this quite a lot.

 

[DarkAura]

it's purdy O.O

 

[Hydra.]

Wow this is great! I can't wait to start using it. The old one kind of died and we needed a new updated one. I'm really excited about this.

 

[mountain_tiger]

That looks pretty good. Nice work.

 

[M@v]

yay a matchup thread again.


I gotta get my guide updated so it looks like the fox boards are all special. lolz.

 

[phi1ny3]

Edit: oopsy
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8132997#post8132997

 

[KoSa!]

I got to say, this is the nicest looking match up thread. Hope it doesn't die or anything.

Fox = MK, match up wise. Nice to know.

 

[Curaga]

Looking great! Can't wait to get this thing started!

Quoted for agreement.

Great job guys.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Toon Link boards are rediscussing the Fox Matchup at our boards. Please contribute, thanx .

 

[Red Arremer]

Toon Link boards are rediscussing the Fox Matchup at our boards. Please contribute, thanx .

Please don't post this here, post it in the general discussion.

 

[Fox.]

I agree tottaly with everyone, i like this matchup. :D

 

[718_ROOKI3]

Onishiba, holy crap this INDEX is so freakin cool, why havent i been on the boards to see this before , well GREAT job. this looks amazing

 

[Inferno3044]

Mario's are discussing Fox now. Help us get all the facts straight. We would highly appreciate your help.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227291&page=146

 

[JUDGE]

excuse us please, we should have posted this in the general MU discussion^^

 

[Darth Destro]

Hello, Fox Brawlers! I have recently started a thread about different pairings for Toon Link in Team Brawls, and I would greatly appreciate some input on a TL + Fox match. You can find the thread here. Any info would be tremendously helpful.

 

[*CT*]

I needed the match ups on the S-tier, thanks, gives me something to read while playing poker.

 

[Zhamy]

I needed the match ups on the S-tier, thanks, gives me something to read while playing poker.

Yes, let us do all your work for you. You're welcome. We're here for your every wish and bid. Obviously.

 

[McCloud Master]

Really enjoyed this thread. Details on each character vs. Fox is quite accurate to say the least.

But when I went too links about the other characters... some information looked like it was not there. Not sure what happened there, maybe someone forgot. But anyway, nice job with this thread.

 

[ThePointingMan]

A Fox vs pikachew is dumb, if pikachew grabs you just once, he can get it all the way from 0 to a little more then 100% where the only way for you to get out, is if he messes up.

 

[Red Arremer]

Really enjoyed this thread. Details on each character vs. Fox is quite accurate to say the least.

But when I went too links about the other characters... some information looked like it was not there. Not sure what happened there, maybe someone forgot. But anyway, nice job with this thread.

That's because these matchups haven't been discussed yet...? o.ô

 

[Bad!]

ty this will help alot :D when i see colors lol

 

[B.Link]

Match up index looks great =]

 

[Tanman2333]

Yea when are you gonig to update it with colors so I can find out what the match-ups are

 

[Lightning93]

None of the matchups have been completed yet, thus, no colors.

I think we're still waiting on summaries before we move on.

 

[Conviction]

HAHA SUMMARIES! Those Match-ups haven't been active since like 2 months and summaries were over-due a looooonng time ago. I still say give Knux the stuff so he can do the summaries >.<

 

[moyshe]

so are only 6 matchups discussed?... and I though GaW boards are lazy.

 

[Lightning93]

We usually run into a lot of the same problems with MU discussion.

1. Trying to convince people that Fox's recovery does not suck. Rising Fair is more than reliable enough.
2. Lasers, although they do not stun, usually force an approach.
3. Fox's spacing options aren't horrible, his quick movement and Auto canceled aerials are enough to generally keep him out of his opponent's range, while being able to punish the opponent if he approaches.
4. Upsmash is not Fox's only reliable kill move (although it is his best imo).

 

[Zephil]

but is true what thesoviet says... we need to focused in matchups because the general ideas you just stated work in different ways... for example I am an expert in the G&W matchup as I always play with one of the best G&Ws named Kewl and I can tell you that there are certain things you need to know about that matchup. Maybe I will create some MU threads to discuss

 

[moyshe]

but is true what thesoviet says... we need to focused in matchups because the general ideas you just stated work in different ways... for example I am an expert in the G&W matchup as I always play with one of the best G&Ws named Kewl and I can tell you that there are certain things you need to know about that matchup. Maybe I will create some MU threads to discuss

We usually run into a lot of the same problems with MU discussion.

1. Trying to convince people that Fox's recovery does not suck. Rising Fair is more than reliable enough.
2. Lasers, although they do not stun, usually force an approach.
3. Fox's spacing options aren't horrible, his quick movement and Auto canceled aerials are enough to generally keep him out of his opponent's range, while being able to punish the opponent if he approaches.
4. Upsmash is not Fox's only reliable kill move (although it is his best imo).

I know fox matchup pretty well as GaW, but I also play a little bit of fox. And I think fox's recovery isnt bad, but its not good. Either way you guys should get working on those MU's. I feel bad for fox players. Thats probobly why you dont see very many around.

 

[Lightning93]

Possibly, but I also know a lot of people won't play Fox because of Pikachu and Shiek, while in all honesty there aren't enough skilled ones present in tournaments that give Fox that disadvantage.

I mean, F-tilt is a highly anticipated move, really only used for punishes, and if I'm camping and always moving in and out of your range, it's not as easy to land as you'd think. Pika has a pretty small grab range too so...

Anyways, I think we're still waiting on summaries, but if Onishiba were to get those finished somehow (even if someone else finishes them), and were to start new topics, I'd be cool with that.

 

[Red Arremer]

I already mentioned numerous times that I would appreciate someone else taking over the matchup descriptions simply because I'm nowhere near reliable enough to judge all matchups properly and filter out the good and bad information from the respective threads.

The threads I can open, that's no problem at all.

 

[Sosuke]

I can transfer ownership of the thread if anyone needs me to.

 

[Red Arremer]

No, that's not necessary. I can still update it.

Why do you guys think I don't want to help you out and keep this thread updated just because I say "I don't think I know enough to make good summaries"? That's honest and you should be at least relieved that I don't just go ahead and do the texts and end up doing some BS.

 

[Zhamy]

Protip: Fox boards are lazy. We appreciate the help; it's just that we're lazy *******s. Try talking to TKD?

 

[Red Arremer]

Zhamy's honesty is amazing, and just like mine. :D
I love you, Zhamy. No homo, unless you want homo from me. <3

Good idea, I'll ask TKD.