Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[spam_master]

Also i added the italics in the first qoute, just so nobody yells at me.

 

[Mediocre]

Medi, just becuase we're bored of Day 1 does not mean we need to do a shot in the dark. We get almost no information out of it if Diamond Falcon is town. We have agreed that some "evil" roles will be good ones, this does not mean that all evil roles will be good. Pythag is not confirmed town if Diamond is town.

Not confirmed, no. More likely to be town, yes.



Obviously this isn't going anywhere, and keeping my vote on DiamondFalcon is only going to make me look more suspicious. So I suppose I'll have to Unvote: DiamondFalcon.


So, anybody have some brilliant ideas about where to go from here? Because my only idea is dead in the water, although it was nowhere near brilliant.

Eor, I don't mean to put you on the spot, but do you have some kind of plan? You've been the most outspoken against my "shot in the dark." If you have something better, speak now. I'll admit that my plan was a shot in the dark, but I thought it was the best option available to us at this point.

 

[Mediocre]

And just to back Eor up, I don't think he was actually trying to get me lynched, and I don't see why any of you are getting upset about it when even the supposed lynch victim isn't bothered by it.

Eor was trying to demonstrate to me that my plan was ridiculous by applying the same concept to me. Personally, I didn't feel it was ridiculous at all, even when applied to me, but his intent was clear. He was not trying to have me lynched.

 

[Eor]

Becasue we all are totally gonna follow your demands /sarcasm. If your so against the plan to lynch someone we find suspicious and gain soem info in the process then what is your plan?

I can demand as much as anyone can demand. Of course people won't flock to what I say, all I can do is withhold my vote

Eor, I don't mean to put you on the spot, but do you have some kind of plan? You've been the most outspoken against my "shot in the dark." If you have something better, speak now. I'll admit that my plan was a shot in the dark, but I thought it was the best option available to us at this point.

No, I don't have any set plan, they don't tend to work very well in this game.

 

[Eor]

I said before that I was waiting for Pythag to post, and he has. I didn't comment on it because of the Diamond Falcon problem, though now I've said all I could about it.

Pythag's defense was not good. His sudden turn on Diamond Falcon made me even more suspicious.

Vote: Pythag

There's no one here I trust right now, at all. No one would surprise me if it turns out they're mafia. Personally, Medio and Jiano both make me suspicious, Medi first. I can't decide if this is his playing style (which, knowing Mediocre, very well could be), which results in the "take no chances" approach, or if he's instead just trying to persuade us to lynch people without overwhelming suspicion. His quick backing-down (which is how I saw his unvote) doesn't help me, but what he said about it could very well be true. Not enough to vote for him on, nor to even fully believe he is mafia. I'd say he's 35% likely to be mafia, not that what percent I think of really matters. Just saying it.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Ok, I'll admit I misinterpreted you and thought you had said it. I do however believe that we can find someone who is the best candidate for giving info, and I figured that someone experienced and town would be able to pave the way, based on one of my games where I played with some really good players who claimed that. Since Eorlingas is now voting Pythag, I suppose we should think about that line of action once more.

And spam_master, you were right that I haven't really been outright suspicious against Mediocre before (I never joined a side on the Mediocre debate, though it would have been against him had I), it just wasn't until he started his recent string of posts that I began to wonder. It was unwise of me to vote so soon in that position, so I will unvote him even though I think it could work.
Unvote: Mediocre
And btw, my last sentence wasn't about info that you gain from lynches, but info that can be gained from analyzing how my, as a certain affiliation, defending Pythag, as a certain affiliation, would pan out.

You know, I just don't know what else to do. Whenever I decide something that I think may help, it gets shot down from all sides... maybe I should just get back to the sidelines and just watch like some others are.
I tried my best to defend Pythag, but it seems it's all been of no use. At least it made for an interesting Day 1, eh?

 

[KevinM]

So we have our two lynch candidates am i correct in at least assuming this, DF and Pythag. At this point they are the only ones i could see us lynching.. i'm suspicious of Pythags sudden turn on DF and of course i always have to factor in the vote jumping from DF. I don't know Day 1's are tough but both things seem like scummy behavior. At this point.. i'm just debating if i want to cast a vote or wait just a little while longer.

 

[KevinM]

On second thought screw it, its not like he can give us anymore of an adequate response then he has the whole time, he's our best bet right now I'm throwing it out their right now after finally thinking it over

Vote Pythag

 

[commonyoshi]

I'm glad other people have already pointed out Pythag's wild change of heart. I mean, what the heck? I didn't think there was reason enough to vote against him before, but he was obviously throwing Diamond into the fire to save his own butt. My only problem with this is that no one except Diamond has defended him yet, I dont think. That should usually happen if he was mafia because his buddies would want to save him, unless they were all playing smart. Meh. I'll judge Pythag, and Pythag only.

Vote: Pythag

 

[spam_master]

Guys I still think that pythag is town. If you look at it from his perspective, if he thinks that DF is mafia, like myself, then the he has no reason to stick with DF other than is he wants to get lynched tommorow.

There are equally likely chances that pythag could be town or mafia if pythag thinks or knows that DF is mafia.

 

[spam_master]

My suspicion level on DF has gone up so much in his most recent posts, that I think that he is mafia regardless of the pythag issue. In particular his continued wild and reckless voting and his statement implying that others new something that the general group didn't.

Continue to vote: Diamond Falcon

 

[DiamondFalcon]

My suspicion level on DF has gone up so much in his most recent posts, that I think that he is mafia regardless of the pythag issue. In particular his continued wild and reckless voting and his statement implying that others new something that the general group didn't.

Continue to vote: Diamond Falcon

What are you talking about? I never said that. I even explained that earlier, in case you hadn't read. There is no info I am hiding (except my ability), I have given basically frozen's whole PM. The info that others could give that I was talking about was from more experienced players who could analyze the likelihood of a townie defending a townie or a mafiat, or stuff like that based on previous knowledge. If you are town, I urge you to reread all my statements, I just fail to see how I could be more suspicious.

And I thought Mediocre was included in those two lynch candidates. I believe Pythag is going to end up being lynched, even though I still think he is town, despite his recent attitude. I think he might have just misinterpreted me. I won't vote him even though, because I feel like my whole defense would have been of no purpose, but I'm sure not gonna continue defending him if he doesn't want me to.

 

[smashman90]

It might just be me, but doesn't it seem weird that Spam master is really trying hard to defend Pythag? I keep getting weird *** vibes from Spam. It makes me wonder if he could be mafia. Either that or maybe I am justing having a bad case of indigestion.

 

[Pythag]

Spam is defending me because I'm town.
Eor, I made a sudden turn?
Because he's defending me I'm obligated to believe him?
I question how he's defending himself.
My main suspect is still Chill.
Every time I bring it up Chill makes whatever I said completely moronic.
Apparently he's completely innocent because he hasn't made a mistake suchas I have.
I'm getting a sense of supiriority from everything he says, and it irritates me.

 

[Mediocre]

Unofficial Vote Count

Pythag (6): Jiano, Blazer, Chill, Eorlingas, KevinM, commonyoshi
DiamondFalcon (1): spam master

It takes 9 to lynch


Can somebody please outline the reasons to me that Pythag is a better option than DiamondFalcon? Obviously they're both suspicious, but why are you all against voting for DiamondFalcon but all gung-ho about Pythag?

And, no, that "gung-ho" wasn't intended as a pun.

I said before that I was waiting for Pythag to post, and he has. I didn't comment on it because of the Diamond Falcon problem, though now I've said all I could about it.

Pythag's defense was not good. His sudden turn on Diamond Falcon made me even more suspicious.

Vote: Pythag

Personally, Medio and Jiano both make me suspicious, Medi first. I can't decide if this is his playing style (which, knowing Mediocre, very well could be), which results in the "take no chances" approach, or if he's instead just trying to persuade us to lynch people without overwhelming suspicion.

I'm not sure how you'd call my playing style "take no chances." A take no chances style would mean I didn't vote on anyone until I was absolutely sure they were mafia.

My playing style is more like "take the best chance you have and run with it." That's what I tried to do with both my smashman90 vote and my DiamondFalcon vote. I now see my smashman vote as a mistake, but I still feel like lynching DiamondFalcon is a viable option.

His quick backing-down (which is how I saw his unvote) doesn't help me, but what he said about it could very well be true. Not enough to vote for him on, nor to even fully believe he is mafia.

I didn't see any benefit from pushing a plan that obviously wasn't going anywhere, and if the lynch wasn't going to go through, there was no reason to leave my vote sitting on DiamondFalcon.

I withdrew my vote quickly because there wasn't anything to gain from leaving it here, and I'd just be drawing undue attention and suspicion upon myself.

I'd say he's 35% likely to be mafia, not that what percent I think of really matters. Just saying it.

You sound like L in the restaurant in Death Note.

 

[Mediocre]

Oh, crap. I messed up the quote tag, and it made it look like I was voting for Pythag.

I did not mean to vote for Pythag. That's just a messed up quote of Eor's vote for Pythag.

frozenflame, could you please edit that to make my quotes work? I really would prefer not to have this accidentally counted when someone goes back and skims for votes.


And, just for good measure: Unvote: Pythag

 

[ligolski]

OMG WE ARE STILL DAY 1 AHHHHHHHH

ok, time to read up..i'll post today or tomorrow hopefully

 

[ligolski]

i read almost all of it but i am exhausted from travel and such today...i really want to make a play by play post that will be huge so i can gather my thoughts...how far back i go i have no clue but i will definitely include my missed week...with my unpacking tomorrow i am not sure if i will finish it tomorrow but hopefully sometime monday at the latest...

 

[Mediocre]

I'm going on vacation from the 17th of this month to the 1st of September.

I might be able to post a bit during vacation, but it's pretty unlikely.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

11th Official Vote Count

Pythag (7): Jiano, Blazer, Chill, Eorlingas, Kevin M, commonyoshi, Ronike
DiamondFalcon (1): spam master

It takes 9 to lynch

lol I'm not a mod Mediocre, I can't really help you out there. Go ahead and edit it. I know what you posted so I'll know if you remove any important content.

Oh and that Death Note call, I was thinking the exact same thing lulz

 

[Ronike]

Alright, I was thinkin there was the slightest possibility that Pythag would defend further, but to no avail. Its just too unbelievable, the trying something new thing. So...
Vote: Pythag

 

[ligolski]

wow looks like i could be the hammer vote *gulps*

ok i am going to start to go back over the stuff that has happenned...

 

[Blazer]

When's Pythag come back? I don't want to lynch him while he's gone.

 

[Eor]

He already came back

 

[ligolski]

i am going to start from the whole pythag debacle up to about now...

The following are all of Pythag's posts

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Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
work has been kicking my butt. I have like no time.
but anyways.
Vote spam masteri his eyes burning will lead to blindness, and then the game will be unplayable for him.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
oh and ronike, thank you for posting my birthday in your location. It helps me remember when I turn 19 XP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
well, I think what ronike is trying to say is that even if you find smashman incredibly scummy. Don't bring it up just yet. Let there be time for lots of discussion, and you can bring up your points later. Who knows, then other people might agree with you as well. To be so steadfast in your vote really isn't exactly the best idea at the beginning of the day 1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
Vote Kevin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
Unvote Kevin
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Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
Ah day 1's.
I know not what can be said about them that hasn't been said already.
Vote Mediocre
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
Unvote Mediocre
Vote Spam master
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
unvote Spam!
Now that I'm looking at it, I really can't tell about him. There is the possibility that he has a confusing role that forces him to act irrationally, or he could be mafia and is just acting irrationally in order to make us think it's his role. If its the later, I have to say that it's a rather clever defense.

The problem with his posts is that the whole no reason votes started happening recently, with no reason. I'm starting to think that he might be mafia trying to confuse us.

Note that he has posted words in between the Kevin and Mediocre votes, meaning that he can at least post words, and that this isn't something random.

Now, the only real thing that stays throughout his posts are the following

1. He never talks about himself
2. He never gives a reason for a vote, minus the Spam_Master one, which was a joke
3. The only time he has gone in depth was in a post that didn't directly relate to him

I have no idea what to make of it. The only thing I could get is that his role makes it so he cannot give a real reason to vote for someone, nor could he defend himself. And that is a bull**** role, and Frozen is smarter then to make a role so boring and bad.

I'm going to have to decide that Pythag is faking it.

Vote: Pythag

this is eor's post bringing the light onto pythag...what's really funny is that just before this we started to talk about about how we has been posted weird but he comes in and does it again as the suspicion builds on him until this post

Ok, obviously I've pissed everyone off, which wasn't supposed to happen, but what are you gonna do?
My erratic behavior has absolutely nothing to do with my role.
I was merely trying something completely different from what I did last game.
(I mean, if you play exactly the same, people eventually figure our how to read you)
I can safely say that this tactic doesn't work.
Actually thinking about it, I don't even know what I was trying to attempt by doing this, maybe I was bored at the time. But I myself can't even see now how this "play style" would have helped anyone in the game. Maybe if I was independent it would help, but I'm not, so whatever.
regardless, now that I know that this doesn't work, I'm going to behave more normally.
I'm probably going to get lynched for all this, but I'll chalk it up to just me being a ******, and I'll know next time not to do it.
Sorry.

I know this response isn't going to please everyone, but like I said, I was just trying something new, and if failed horribly.

Anyway, to attempt to help out the town, I feel that ronike and blazer and commonyoshi are quite suspicious.
Blazer jumped on me as soon as ronike got pissed. Ronike got pissed for what seemed to be not that big a deal (for me anyway)
Commonyoshi is least suspicious because of his overly dramatic tone, but ronike and blazer definately.
Blazer is suspicious also of eor (what else is new eh?) which has continually annoyed me (in SPM as well)
It almost seems as if he's trying really hard to weed out all of the power players. In fact I am not suspicious at all of eor. He took a logical approach to my "silence" and only voted on me after rational thinking.

So I'm just trying to decide who to vote for, ronike or blazer.
hope that clears things up...
if not , I'm sorry town.

this is pythags first response with the whole "i was trying something new"...it doesn't sound very convincing at first...though some like me in fact believe him...

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bull on Pythag's response. He was trying a new strategy? We all agree that Pythag is a smart person, so why, why would he change his strategy from posting to not giving any reason? Changing your strategy is not turning from smart to dumb, its turning from inquisitor to defender, hardballing it to messing around half the time.

If that was the truth, it would make sense for him to say it once everyone started voting for him. The only diffrence then and from when he did post was that I stopped backing him, and I made my post. When we where voting on him, he posted saying "Unvote: Spam!", meaning he was reading our posts. And he didn't care. Then I made my post, and he comes out saying it was a "strategy" he was using?

I don't believe it. He might not be mafia, but if he isn't, then I'd say he's independent. It might even be more likely that he's independent, running low as a crazy man, in order to miss both the lynches and mafia night kills.

But, either way, it's not a town thing to do. I'm keeping my vote.

Blazer, your posts rose my suspicion again. Mainly that you're trying to claim Pythag is voting on your for personal reasons. It's throwing off what he's saying. Just because you and me vote for the same person does not mean it's for the same reasons, nor are we equal in it. I wouldn't say that Pythag has a vendetta against you.

eor calls the reason a bluff...plus there is other talk about Blazer at this point...i didn't go back far enough to see why and i can't remember so if someone wants to they should fill that in for me...

Eor you are absolutely correct about everything.
Except, I am town.
I know it was stupid, I've mentioned this.
I've pretty much accepted my fate
The "Unvote spam!" was a post I had difficulty on.
I wasn't sure wether or not to try and keep it up. Obviously I did.
When I read ronike's post (I honestly didn't even know you had written all that stuff until about an hour or two ago)
of giving me 24 hours or what not, I thought about it and decided just to come clean.
I know what it looks like. It looks extrodinarily suspicious.
My defense will stand that I did feel like trying something new.
Also that I am a townie, and lynching me will only result in a lessening of the population turning favor to the mafia.
anything else you would wish to know?
oh, and eor is especially right about my extreme lack of vendetta.

pythag comes back with this explaining he had difficulty trying to keep up his weird "style" of play...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
When I read ronike's post (I honestly didn't even know you had written all that stuff until about an hour or two ago)
That's a direct lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
. In fact I am not suspicious at all of eor. He took a logical approach to my "silence" and only voted on me after rational thinking.

You said that in your post where you "came out". You said I used rational thinking, meaning that you read and understood what I wrote. And now you say you hadn't read it when you posted.

eor responds calling him out as a lier

*there is some jibber jabber in the backround about not doing name claims as well b/c it gives away the townie power roles...

Completely understood.

Eor, it wasn't really a intentional lie (I don't know why I'm bothering, you're not going to believe me)
But when you essentially took credit for why I started posting (something like, "He's posting now because of my big post and vote on him") I had merely wanted to clear it up that I was not writing because of that. The only thing that I had on my mind was ronike's 24 hr limit. When I started posting, I checked back to see what I had missed, and lo and behold, I saw that you had voted for me.

Don't worry though, I don't find you suspicious. heh.
anyway, yes I eventually did see what you wrote, but it was in no way the catalyst for why I posted.

pythag's response the the lie call

The only problem I have with the "I was trying something new" thing is that any one of us can do it in any game. If we chose to believe you, we'd have to settle for this excuse everywhere. I just dont like it. Maybe you're telling the truth. In that case, sucks for you.

Heck, I'm all for the name claim. Doctor is a crappy role, and it's been said, I believe, that we cant be sure which character could be the cop. Good way of isolating the baddies. But I dont have any idea what's what is Triugn so I'll stay out of this.

common doesn't believe pythag...

Am I correct in thinking that all our biggest suspicions lie with blazer and pythag?

I don't reallyhave a problem with blazer, and I don't really have any questions for him.

But, I would like to know, now that pythag is explaining the thing's he did, what the reason was he voted for me. Even if your weren't giving reasons for the vote due to your strategy there had to be some reason you voted for me.

If you were just voting randomly during a time when we actually had real discuccion, then you were just voting to seed confusion and that is very mafia in my book. Perhaps you were even trying to defend a fellow mafia who was under suspicion by moving the topic onto yourself.

spam questions pythag and voices his suspicions in this post ^

Ha. Join the club.
if today is just gonna end with me being lynched, why not just get it over with?
I've stated my case, and no matter how hard you question, it's not going to change!
Nor am I going to change my statement about being town.
So If you don't believe me, there's nothing more I can do.
Well, I guess I could role reveal, i don't know if that would convince you either
whatevef.

here is where pythag starts to give indications he may role claim and believes himself to be screwed

Unvoteythag


Your accepting the fact that your gonna end up lynched probably and you've tried your best to give us information before you die. Next time, don't go off and try to do something different.

blazer unvotes pythag

I'm voting for Pythag. Most of my reasons are the same as those given by Eor and a lot of other people, so I'm not going to try to explain myself too thoroughly.

Mostly, I'm voting for him because his "try a new strategy" explanation just doesn't cut it for me. From what I hear, he's not stupid, but the "strategy" he tried is very stupid. I can't see what possible positive effect he thought it was going to have.

Can you explain, Pythag? If you give me one plausible reason for implementing the "strategy" you were using, I'll consider unvoting you.

Meanwhile:

Vote: Pythag

mediocre votes pythag and questions pythag

To Mediocre, aside from boredom, I'm totally drawing a blank as to why I did it.
I'm trying to think back, when this started it was around the same time I started my job, and I was just so tired from working I didn't feel like posting much. My first vote which I gave no reasons for I actually did to amuse myself. Then for some reason or another I thought that that strategy might work to benefit for the town. I see now that I must've been really tired or something, because I cannot see any logical way that not talking would be good for the town.
The only other thing I can think of is that I was kinda thinking bigger picture. If people are trying to reference the style I play, (say in another mafia game) They would be at a complete loss because every game would result in a totally new version of Pythag!


Sorry that's the best I can do for now, so it looks like you're gonna have to keep your vote on me.

Now, at spam, yes It was all random votes. I wasn't reading what was going on very much (skimming at best) so I didn't even realize I was throwing people off (sorry!)

Now for Kevin, I would only role reveal if it came down to 7 votes on me, that would be my last ditch effort to defend myself. I was just wondering if that's what it's going to take to convince you guys.
I doubt it will though, because my role is awkward.

this is pythag's response to the questions asked...this is where pythag's reasoning for doing the erratic posting starts to change...it goes from new strategy to boredom, work and a new strategy...he is adding more and more which imo as of reading this now is suspicous...

it seems to me that your explanation changes a little by little from post to post, slowly evolving into something different...because it seems to me that your explanation is changing i shall:

vote: pythag

is it just me or am i correct about this ^?

i call him out on it and vote him

***************************************************

Alright since my story is "changing", which it really isn't. Or if it is it's completely unintentional.

I'm just gonna come out and say this

I'm Midvalley the Hornfreak.
In my description it says that I have left the gung ho guns and am now town alligned.
Each night I get to choose to play a note on my saxophone. Depending on what note I select, my "special powers" might activate. I have no idea what that means.

anyway, that's my role.
You guys have frustrated me.

the infamous name claim comes as the votes continue to pile on...

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from here we go on to discuss if his name claim actually makes sense...and what he could be trying to do...a few people unvote like me b/c they are unsure...

I don't think that frozen would make up stuff unless he intended to confuse the game (see Fire Emblem Ephraim), but I believe that since frozen seems to be going with the manga, at least for my role, it's logical that Midvalley could be good.

DF says this, implying what we already "know"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythag View Post
When I die, you all are gonna be so shocked that I was actually town the whole time.
That is a really common thing to say when under pressure... an empty threat really.

And abbout your "covering up better" thing, again that fits into my idea of thinking you could make a bad role seem good by playing it the right way. Im still not buying it...

ronike calls out pythag's hidden threat...

Ok, to be completely serious, I think we should lynch pythag.
He's lying up the wazoo and is probably lying about his role.
In fact I have it on good authority that he's an independent or mafia!


Ok, let's see what else I have in my bag of strategies...
By my count I have 6 votes on me at this time.
Vote: Pythag
..and now I have 7.


The next person that votes on me must be mafia.

Unless you wish to take your vote off of me.
I feel the need to write this again.
I am town.

here is pythag's weird post and vote on himself...as i reread this, it doesn't settle right with me...its another attempt to save his neck but through weird ways...which makes me suspicios...

side note: smashman doesn't believe pythag is mafia/independent...he believes pythag

i could vote you and that would not mean i was mafia...besides, i believe it takes 9 to lynch..just pointing that out to you pythag, you could be mafia/independant trying to get last minute revenge or something...i am still torn on whether or not i should vote for though...i can't decide if u are telling the truth or not...

i call him out on the self vote

*******************and then the **** hits the fan with this post*******************

I believe Pythag. You know why? Because I am Hoppered the Gauntlet, and I am town, surprisingly. Thus I am entitled to defend my manga buddy Midvalley. I think if frozen made me town, then he would have made Pythag town as well, since deserting doesn't make a strong enough case for independent. And whoever puts the last vote on Pythag is mafia because they obviously want him dead even though the fact is that he's not for sure independent. I am very suspicious of people who are advocating his lynch right now.
Vote: commonyoshi
I know this isn't necessarily applicable, but mask man can't replace anyone because if common's mafia then mask man will know who to lynch. If it's not commonyoshi, then hey, let's find someone else, but right now let's lay off Pythag.

DF name claims and then attempts to (imo) to shift attention off of pythag...

INTERMISSION...working on second part now

 

[Blazer]

!!! Really long posts that never get read through entirely are annoying... Still helpful I guess.

 

[Eor]

I read it

It's mainly a "Play by play" where he's just saying whats happening instead of his opinions on it

 

[Eor]

I have the most adorable avatar ever

I needed to say that at least once

 

[Chill]

Spam is defending me because I'm town.
Eor, I made a sudden turn?
Because he's defending me I'm obligated to believe him?
I question how he's defending himself.
My main suspect is still Chill.
Every time I bring it up Chill makes whatever I said completely moronic.
Apparently he's completely innocent because he hasn't made a mistake suchas I have.
I'm getting a sense of supiriority from everything he says, and it irritates me.

But you make it sooo easy.

Just kidding.

If you consider me suspicous of course I'm not going to agree with you. I also don't know why you would think I'm acting superior to you it's not like I've called you a mafia noob or something.

 

[camo-man]

ON NOES> D: Not teh long posts of DOOM!!!!!

Hey, Eor, what is your avatar? A procupine? *shot*

 

[Pythag]

wowow, lot of posts
I still am failing to see how I'm changing my reasons for my beginning posts.
I did think I would try something new.
It was no coincidence that the strategy of posting as little as possible was because I was tired from work.
I assumed that you guys wouldn't want to hear this lame personal reason, as it really doesn' apply much to the game. I didn't think that was extremely kosher. As you know I eventually told you, and unfortunately because of that I'm in an even worse situation.
So yes, I wanted to try something knew, and yes I was tired. they're not mutually exclusive reasons (was the correct useage?)


and ok, chill, that post was really disarming. We can be friends again.

...unless you kill me. That would put a damper on that.

 

[ligolski]

part 2

There is the possibility that Diamond is mafia who came out and to defend Pythag, a town. After we lynch Pythag, he'd be like "I told you so", and everyone would believe he is town like Pythag.

If we were to look at this strategically instead of by analyzing posts, lynching Diamond would be the better option here instead of Pythag.

Not saying I suspect him. I'm just looking at this n a different way.

common reveals this possible theory though imo highly unlikely

Now that I look at it diamond has been pushing the "my character turns town too" in a not so subtle manner for several posts, and their is almost no reason he has to back up pythag other than too make himslef look good when pythag is lynched town. I mean pythag has provided no real evidence to his townness, so diamond has no real reason to think pyhag's town and takes a huge risk of defending a mafia, unless he know he's not mafia, because diamond is mafia.

Someone can probably restate that better but I really think diamond know's something that we don;t. Also, both clearly stated that their not mason, diamond just tried to make it seem like they are in the smae alignment.

Unvoteythag
Vote:diamondfalcon

spam makes this confusing post and votes diamond...but in essence it makes sense and i agree with most of it...

Ok. To clarify things a bit, I am not claiming mason or anything like that. I said that my character Hoppered the Gauntlet and Pythag's (I believe him) character Midvalley the Hornfreak are both Gung-ho guns or whatever (I don't watch/read Trigun) that turn against the Guns at the very last moment and thus frozenflame thought it good enough reason to make us town. I am backing Pythag because he is so close to lynch and I don't want a mislynch. I debated actually bringing out my role or not, but I decided it was relevant enough because it was mentioned in that Wiki article someone looked up, and that I had read earlier to try and understand why a bad guy could be town. Turns out that Hoppered and Midvalley helped each other in the manga so I thought it would be neat if I did that here.

From Wikipedia:
"During his final battle he sees Vash's memory of July and has a revelation that he has made the wrong choice. Hoppered gains a lot of honor in turning against the Gung-Ho Guns in his last living moments. His and Midvalley's coins were taken by Milly, and given to Vash after Vash escaped from the Ark."

Now you can lynch me or Pythag but since we are not really masons, neither death will confirm the other (I don't expect you to trust me if Pythag turns out town). Leave that to the cop if you really distrust us that much. What I'm really afraid of is the mafia misleading the townies out there to lynch one of us due to their sheer numbers this early in the game. Watch out for people that proved suspicious earlier in the game that are now backing one of our lynches.

I hope you see my point of view here. I've never seen Trigun before so I'm clueless about who are the worst villains, but I'm pretty sure if there are so many then frozen would have picked the top evil ones for the mafia.

DF relizes that his cliam will not qualm our suspicions after a lynch of pythag...and once again he tries to throw suspicion elsewhere...

Unvote Pythag
forgot to do tha earlier.
I don't know, I'm willing to trust diamond falcon. Nothing he's posted seems to be extremely mafia ish.
Chill on the other hand.
Started this whole thing against me, which I completely understand, yet, he really doesnt have much to say. I kinda see this as him throwing something shiney at the town and all of us rushing to look at it while he goes completely unnoticed.

wow...i don't see how DF's posts were not mafiaish...he claimed a character who has known ties with who we think are the mafia...and even if you add in the whole he turned against them...they could be independent...and he tries to throw off the suspicion by going after Chill...who really didn't start anything on you but pointed out you were lurking...it was Eor who really came done on you

from suspicions, including mine go up and down b/c no one can be entirely sure...some say (common, eor, and spam i think) they are suspicous of chill for starting the whole thing on pythag and possibly over emphasizing it...chill defends himself imo perfectly

*************from here i go on vacation so here are my opinions as i read along with the newer stuff to me...

Unvotehill

I don't really know who I feel is mafia, all I know is that Falcon is really getting on my nerves.

He keeps FOS and Voting like a madman, and while I wouldn't care if he had even kinda good reasons, it just looks like his throwing out names to see if people back him up.

He's either a mafia who's parteners realize he's to obvious, an overzealous and confusion 9inducing town (like Spam_master in SPM 2 overzealous), or an indpenedent.

All three are at least bad in their own way.

Vote:Falcon

Plus, if we lynch we will have very reliable information as to pythag's alignment.

spam posts this bringing up DF's voting style...setting off a debate on it i believe if i skimmed correctly...

Yeah, killing one of us maybe hints at what the other is, but delivers no firm evidence. It'll still be up in the air, and the mafia can take advantage of that.

Oh, and I haven't told about my ability yet, so I haven't been lying. I only said my role, and I'm not a mason, but I am town.

The reason I've been voting so much is because I have little to hide, like when I was Sora in KH Mafia, and the cop in Food Court. I'll admit my reasons are poor, since we have little info, but I like to see various reactions on people I FoS/vote. And KevinM's believing that either me or Pythag should be lynched (albeit erroneously) makes me even more suspicious of him. Somebody's got to do it.

DF responds with this...imo the whole massive amount of voting isn't the only thing needed to go for a lynch

at this point...Jiano replaces agentli after people are suspicous of him lurking

and jiano brings backt he pythag thing and gets it rolling again...basically the same arguments are made and people start to revote pythag...others now believe him and want to see more evidence...

Jiano then posts on contradicting statements made by spam which rises my suspicions as well...

Ok, I don't know how much this will help, but I went through and checked who everyone has voted for throughout the game, to see if my "Vote shifting" is really true. Here's what I have (I took out votes for people not in the game and self-votes):

Ronike- KevinM, Eorlingas, Pythag, Chill, Blazer

DiamondFalcon- Ronike, spam_master (typo), mask man, Chill, mask man, Blazer, Pythag, commonyoshi

Spam_master- DiamondFalcon, KevinM, commonyoshi, camo-man, Pythag, DiamondFalcon, Chill, DiamondFalcon

Eorlingas- Blazer, commonyoshi, Blazer, Pythag

Mask man/commonyoshi- spam_master, DiamondFalcon, camo-man, Blazer

Camo-man- spam_master

Chill- DiamondFalcon, smashman90, No lynch, Ronike, Blazer, Pythag, Agentli, Pythag

Smashman90- Chill, Mediocre, Agentli

Mediocre- smashman90, Blazer, Pythag

Pythag- spam_master, Ronike, KevinM, Mediocre, spam_master

Blazer- Mediocre, camo-man, Eorlingas, Pythag, Agentli, Pythag

KevinM- Blazer, Pythag

Agentli/Jiano- Chill, Pythag

Ligolski- Pythag

Haven’t voted yet: GotMink, Kada


I'm really sorry if I messed up anywhere, it was a quick skimming.

Now for my votes, I know that when I voted spam_master I really meant it for mask man so I won't count it, and mask man and common are the same person, who I've been suspicious of off and on for mask man's early behavior.
So the one with the most vote shifting would be Chill followed by Spam_master, not me as some have pointed out.

Also, obviously Pythag has been voted on by nearly everyone, and I am still a bit suspicious of his behavior, but to me his role claim rings townie. Of course I could be wrong, but let's let some of our experienced players analyze what information a Pythag lynch would give us.

While skimming back through, KevinM stood on my radars everytime I saw his posts. I'm still very suspicious of him, though I have no real evidence.

Also, where's GotMink?

And I'm sorry commonyoshi... you never did vote Pythag like I had thought.

DF makes this intersting post stating that he is suspicious of pythag but believes him to be town b/c of the role claim...sort of contradicting but in a sense, its not...

some conversation is made about who is the better lynch and DF actually wants to lynch mediocre for no apparent reason unless i missed it somewhere...this is highly suspicious imo...FOS: DF

And you are just trying to push the spotlight off yourself

Mediocre, the main thing I'm getting at is that if he's town, we know nothing new. We might know that Pythag is most likely town, but if the mafia just nightkill him, then we've done nothing. Killing someone is not the only way people get information, and thinking so will make us loose. I'm suspicious of you for thinking so.

In fact, almost all of your strategies have involved in just murdering people, and almost never because they're suspicious. It's that you think they're dumb, or now, where you're basically saying we cannot get information without just killing someone.

None of that sits well with me

eor calls out DF on his vote

Jiano: That was not an OMGUS vote at all. I even hesitated to jump straight to vote, but I believe him to be mafia and lynching him would not only give information about me and Pythag, but also others like smashman90 who he pushed against earlier. Lynching me would reveal me to be townie, and perhaps hint at Pythag (though it wouldn't confirm anything) but the mafia would keep ragging on him for his unexplained suspicious activity until he is (mis)lynched as well.
I was going to post all the possibilities and discuss why they are/aren't likely (DF-town/mafia/indpt, Pythag-town/mafia/indpt) but of course it would be biased since I know my role. If it would help give more info to back my claim, I'll do it if no one else wants to.

what are your reasons for voting for him...i have failed to read any...i would vote you now but there is more to be had in the end of this...


ok end of part 2...part 3 will have my conclusions but i don't want to loose this as i have to go do something...

 

[Rici]

Why don't you guys just lynch FrozenFlame? I mean, when the mod is dead, everybody wins =D ! Also, it isn't a real mafia game if FF isn't killed N1.

Spoiler

I won't interrupt anymore..*walks away*

 

[Blazer]

^^^^^

He's right you know...

Vote:Frozenflame
unvote:Frozenflame
Voteythag

Just kidding...

 

[ligolski]

part 3

This is spin at it's finest and least concealed. In the first bold sentence he uses the lynch for information idea to justify his vote for meiocre, someone who never even mentioned as being suspicious until med voted for him. And, in the second bold sentence he essentially sys how lynch him would have a very low chance of providing info. So basicly he's saying that a lynch against an obscure party would provide much more highly credible information then a person who was directly afiliated with the suspicious parties. This is such an error in logic that my head almost exploded.

Most important is the last bolded sentence, this implies that one or more people have information on his role that the general group doesn't. What group os people would come out to support his role claim.... maybe his mafia partners.
Quote:

nice catch...i read too fast and missed it

yada yada more statements are made that i have no particular comment to make...onto the conclusions...

Conclusions:
1.) this day has gone on way to long and we are back tracking at this point over the same arguments

2.) pythag's whole new strategy in the end does not sit well with me at all...

3.) the sudden turn on DF is also making me think twice about what is going on with the name claims...

so: vote: pythag

4.) DF is still very suspicious to me and i think we better look into him even more tomorrow...i would vote him but for the sake of moving the game along i went with pythag...

i think that is all i wanted to say...if i remember anything else i will post it next chance i get

fyi: i am having wisdom teeth pull on Tuesday...i don't know how long it will take me to feel like looking at a comp from the anesthesia

 

[ligolski]

i meant to say i think he is independent in there somewhere more than mafia...and that brings up other areas of speculation when you try to account for the roles...

 

[ligolski]

rofl, i just realized that i am not the hammer vote...so some of my wording may be off for the situation...like the whole looking into DF thing and such...

oops

 

[Pythag]

uhh, isn't that only 8 votes?
doesn't it take 9?

bring it on!
oh, and i got my wisdom teeth pulled last week. It sucks, I'm not gonna lie.

 

[Eor]

No, that was the 9th vote. Ronike voted for Pythag as well

 

[Eor]

Also, I edited it for you medi. Here is his original post, just so everyone knows I didn't change his words

I said before that I was waiting for Pythag to post, and he has. I didn't comment on it because of the Diamond Falcon problem, though now I've said all I could about it.

Pythag's defense was not good. His sudden turn on Diamond Falcon made me even more suspicious.

Vote: Pythag

Personally, Medio and Jiano both make me suspicious, Medi first. I can't decide if this is his playing style (which, knowing Mediocre, very well could be), which results in the "take no chances" approach, or if he's instead just trying to persuade us to lynch people without overwhelming suspicion.

I'm not sure how you'd call my playing style "take no chances." A take no chances style would mean I didn't vote on anyone until I was absolutely sure they were mafia.

My playing style is more like "take the best chance you have and run with it." That's what I tried to do with both my smashman90 vote and my DiamondFalcon vote. I now see my smashman vote as a mistake, but I still feel like lynching DiamondFalcon is a viable option.

His quick backing-down (which is how I saw his unvote) doesn't help me, but what he said about it could very well be true. Not enough to vote for him on, nor to even fully believe he is mafia.

I didn't see any benefit from pushing a plan that obviously wasn't going anywhere, and if the lynch wasn't going to go through, there was no reason to leave my vote sitting on DiamondFalcon.

I withdrew my vote quickly because there wasn't anything to gain from leaving it here, and I'd just be drawing undue attention and suspicion upon myself.

I'd say he's 35% likely to be mafia, not that what percent I think of really matters. Just saying it.

You sound like L in the restaurant in Death Note.