Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[Chill]

So no one died? This is an awkward day 2, I was hoping for more leads.

 

[Pythag]

Pythag says: that's what you get!

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Ugh, I can't really find much to go off of. The only people I think I could build cases against are DF and Blazer. Eor, go ahead if you have a lot to say, I don't know how long it will be before I find some good leads.

I know this seems retaliatory, but this seems ridiculous to me. I defended Pythag's role claim, and tried my very best to get us off a mislynch, but it was at no avail thanks to Pythag giving the mafia plenty of reason to vote him, thus hiding in the flow. Now I'm not so sure about Blazer, I mean he was acting a bit suspicious as well earlier, but if you labeled him with me then I doubt it's accurate. I want to see what Eorlingas says now, and then I'll probably go through the people that voted for Pythag and see who I believe were honestly mistaken, and who were out just to kill him.

 

[KevinM]

Well... we have ourselves some interesting things to work off of now huh

Lets look at my first obvious question

How come the mafia didn't kill anyone

Possibilities
1. Roleblocking which could mean one of two things, There is a godfather, or someone managed to roll block the correct mafia member who was sent to give the kill. (possible)
2. Doctor, Doctor through out a blind shot at one of the players and just managed to get the correct one. (Possible)
3. The mafia went without killing someone today, an interesting decision indeed, giving us no further information, and putting the work fairly on our shoulders to lynch someone.

Looking at 3 a little bit more, this means that they could be hoping that their superior logic could detour people away from voting for them, while continually planting seeds to kill off townies through lynching. An interesting style indeed and very plausible... i say we analyze why someone did not die tonight.

 

[Jiano]

I know this seems retaliatory, but this seems ridiculous to me. I defended Pythag's role claim, and tried my very best to get us off a mislynch, but it was at no avail thanks to Pythag giving the mafia plenty of reason to vote him, thus hiding in the flow. Now I'm not so sure about Blazer, I mean he was acting a bit suspicious as well earlier, but if you labeled him with me then I doubt it's accurate. I want to see what Eorlingas says now, and then I'll probably go through the people that voted for Pythag and see who I believe were honestly mistaken, and who were out just to kill him.

Whoa, I didn't even vote for you or anything. All I said was you and Blazer were the only people I could build a case against. You seem to be overreacting.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Jiano, yeah I'm sorry for overreacting, but I don't want this mess all over again. I just knew that somehow people would twist this against me yet again, even after the fact. I'd like to avoid that if possible, though I know it isn't altogether confirmed. But how could you build a case against Blazer? Anyways, I already stated what I think we should be doing this day.

 

[Blazer]

I still don't see how I'm suspicious apart from having a mental breakdown for about a week and saying that I'd rather a smart team win than a dumb one.

 

[Jiano]

Sorry, I guess I should clarify a little more.

You two acted the most scummy to me Day 1, besides Pythag. This in no way means I am voting for either of you, though. Day 1's are always filled with bad leads, so I am really going to have to give it a good look over to see what else I can find.

 

[Kada]

Just from their general posting style, and their voting reasons.

Mild FOS: Blazer(although I always find him suspicious), Kevin M, and Smashman

also,

FOS: Kada

For extreme lurking, I feel like he's the mafia's long term player (If he is mafia at all).

And,

I TOLD YOU GUYS HE WAS TOWN

Heh, a totally logical suspicion, to be sure. I've got no problems with that. There's no denying that I haven't had a lot to contribute to this game. I'm hoping that as we move along a little bit, I'll have more to say. I'm generally a pretty quiet guy, I don't really say a lot unless I come to some sort of revelation, or have something to say that I feel is important. Why post garbage when you can just not post at all, right? I'll try to be a little more active when it comes to posting. Although I assure you, I come here a lot (I'm sure someone could confirm that if they wanted) and I do think about the game a lot <_<. My mind's working, I just don't have enough facts to get anything out of it at this point.

I guess you could call it a bit of beginner's timidness. I'm starting to get the feel for the little nuances about how this game is played, finding my way around, but for now, I realize that I am acting sort of suspicious <_<.

On a different note, I'm very interested about how no one was killed off by the Mafia. That could spark some pretty interesting conversation indeed.

 

[Blazer]

I think that noone died because the doc is a genius. It would be like the first time ever that the doc actually saved anyone after all. And I seriously don't think a roleblocker can block the mafia because that would make them cop and the doc in a way.

 

[camo-man]

Or the mafia was predictable.

 

[Blazer]

There's that too. <_< I was doing my best to think positive and think our doc was actually good but whatever.

 

[spam_master]

There is another option, I've played games where a person every night has to pick someone to bodyguard, and they can only be killed if the person they guard is attacked. If they themselves are targeted nothing happens.

 

[spam_master]

I've also been wondering if any people would have any regenerative formula that wolfwood uses. Maybe it makes them immune the first time they're targeted for a night kill, although that might be overpowered.

 

[Eor]

I hope I didn't bring anyone's hopes up with the "lots to say" thing. To be honest, I expected Jiano to attack me in his post. The fact that no one has attacked me surprised me, but that would seem that.

I know why no one died. It's because everyone with a night kill ability who used it used it on me.

I didn't want to post it, because it basically says I'll die, but I have a one-time night immunity. If someone targets me, nothing effects me that nigh, but it won't work again afterwards. I was sent a PM saying I was shot at last night, and couldn't tell if it was one or more, which to me basically means there was more then one person.

If you look back at my posts, you'll see that I kept on saying who I was suspicious of, again and again. I thought that if I got a mafia, they'd target me, I'd know it, and post it. I didn't do it that well, I targeted several people. But the mafia did try and kill me, which mean they say me as a threat.

I believe the following people are mafia

1. Mediocre- Same reasons as before, and pushed for lynching people simply because they "might" affect us

2. Jiano- I made a mistake last day by allowing myself to be persuaded for Pythag. Jiano is the one who persuaded me. Him pushing for DF again is also suspicious. And then his "wow, you're too defensive" is a blunt attempt to have someone else to be the first vote/case against DF, without it being him himself. By saying that, he is basically saying he thinks someone is suspicious, and is waiting for someone else to come up and vote for them.

3. Blazer - not much against him, minus his praise of Jiano that I still think is odd. I see it as him trying to get the town to believe Jiano is too great to oppose, or that his conclusions must be right. I mean, the guy posted three times, once saying "Hi i'm new I'm reading the thread now", and Blazer proclaims him one of the greatest mafia players here. However, Blazer is the weakest link in this. I find his suspicious, but have the least against him.

Spam_Master is also suspicious for me, thought not as much. he could be mafia, know that Pythag is town, and so claim he is town in order to make himself look good. I mean, he did bold and proclaim he was right, though that is his personality.

Of all of those, I find Jiano to have the strongest case against him. I'll happily go into more detail other then a summary when he posts his response

Vote: Jiano

 

[Blazer]

He actually was getting us somewhere how many times do I need to repeat that? Also, Chill complimented him too, why don't you bring that up? Yes I thought better of it and showed that. I found him to be very helpful in actually getting us somewhere but, that's not reason to suspect me gah.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I definitely agree with Eorlingas, but I'll wait and see what Jiano has to defend himself before I vote. And Mediocre better say something as well, after all that jazz he pulled on Day 1.

 

[Ronike]

Sorry about being kinda inactive, Ive had a lot on my plate recently to make any really coherent posts...

So anyways, yay for no night death from the mafia. Personally, Im betting the mafia went after Eor, seems a likely thing to do without a frozen or Doc to kill night one...

After looking through all the posts from today, I personally find Spam_master rather suspiscious.

Just from their general posting style, and their voting reasons.

Mild FOS: Blazer(although I always find him suspicious), Kevin M, and Smashman

also,

FOS: Kada

For extreme lurking, I feel like he's the mafia's long term player (If he is mafia at all).

Throwing suspiscions around aimlessly... never good.

And,

I TOLD YOU GUYS HE WAS TOWN

To me this sounds like Spam is just trying to make himself look not suspiscious. He did after all vote on DF, who was in almost the same boat as Pythag. He really might as well voted for Pythag with us, and I even believe he said he was torn between the two and just decided to go after DF for some reason... So no, you didnt really tell us. If you had, you would have argued for him like DF did to start.

Once again my seathing hatred for gotmink is rising.

maybe.......you....should.....come....up...with.......some...theories........or..ideas....so.......that...other........people.....can......get.......a...feel........for..............where..you......stand.

And I am srsly not kidding because I srsly just don't like you.

Pointless anger always angers me, plus it looks suspiscious. But what makes it even worse is:

I was just kidding, jesus.

I just get a little ticked of by your play style gotmink, it's like you only stop in to vote, and if you were mafia nobody would ever know because you never talk or contribute unless someone puts pressure on you or your supporting the group concensis.

Well now you are just wimping out cause some people started sayin it was kinda suspiscious. It'd be alright if it hadnt been a complete and total direction change, but it was and therefore is suspiscious in my eyes.

This combined with the "bad vibes" Im gettin from his general posts leads me to believe he is mafia, so...
Vote: Spam

But please dont everyone gang up and kill him like what happened in SPM...

 

[camo-man]

Right! Now that the suspicions are cast, we can wait for some responses and/or cast some more. I personally am looking a mediocre right now...

 

[Blazer]

Still suspicious of Eor personally but you know how that goes...

After Eor I gonna say Spam is the top culprit from Ronike's reasoning. I just don't like his overall gameplay style though so the most I wanna give him is an FOS right now.

 

[spam_master]

I'm gonna say it right now, Pythag's random votes weren't even serious votes, they were basicly joke votes without the funny part.

I think that Pythag is town, and I'm not going to change my mind unless someone can come up with a better argument against him.

I think we have to except that some gun ho guns are going to be town, otherwise there are not enough characters even if you use one that is only in one or two episodes.

There is alot of controversy going around about votes and reasons and amounts, and I think we are forgetting a major detail....It's Day One. After looking at diamonds list I saw that almost ahlf of my votes are joke votes, and I'm sure the smae can be said for the majority of people in this game.

Another major detail, is that all of pythag's votes were on people with very few or no votes on them. And, since he gave no serious argument to declare his suspicion for the players I can only classify his votes as extremely unfunny joke votes.

I think we need to look at what votes were serious attacks on someone with the intent to kill.

Everyone needs to go back and check and see what votes were real and what were jokes, and then we can post a list thaty actually matters.

Guys I still think that pythag is town. If you look at it from his perspective, if he thinks that DF is mafia, like myself, then the he has no reason to stick with DF other than is he wants to get lynched tommorow.

There are equally likely chances that pythag could be town or mafia if pythag thinks or knows that DF is mafia.

I had multiple posts stating that I thought Pythag was town, and that since we had pretty much decided that we were gonna lynch either DF or pythag that we should lynch DF. I thought that it was much more likely that DF was trying to tack his towness onto someone whos lynch DF thought was inevitable. I was the only person to come out and say that I was almost convinced he was town, and that gives me the right to rub it in your guys faces.

And, I was kidding about the just not liking him part, I still hate his play style and use of ellipses, but I don't really know him in RL so it's tuff to not like him as a person.

 

[spam_master]

The second qoute is the wrong one, it was supposed to be another one where I said that i thought pythag was town.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

This is pretty much the reason why have thought you less suspicious than others, like Mediocre and Jiano. But what's to say you aren't "tacking your townness" on Pythag either? At least I had a good reason to believe Pythag. You believing Pythag's votes were jokes proves nothing of his townmanship, because a mafiat could do that as well.

 

[Ronike]

See, but Im thinkin you just went back and found the posts you liked, especially since one of the posts you found says "There are equally likely chances that Pythag could be town or mafia". You said it yourself, you werent sure of his alliances, just like the rest of us.

 

[spam_master]

That sentence is taken out of context ronike and you know it. Everybody was saying that since pythag thought that DF was mafia he was detaching himself from his mafia partner, and I was simply stating that the fact that he turned on DiamondFalcon has no effect on his alignment, as either mafia or town would turn against DF if he believed or knew DF was mafia.

And, DF while I could see how you would think I was tacking my towness onto pythag, that was not my intention. I was reveling in the fact that while several far more experienced players thought pythag was mafia, I did not and I was right. I totally called it and I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't take the oppurtunity to gloat.

 

[Jiano]

2. Jiano- I made a mistake last day by allowing myself to be persuaded for Pythag. Jiano is the one who persuaded me. Him pushing for DF again is also suspicious. And then his "wow, you're too defensive" is a blunt attempt to have someone else to be the first vote/case against DF, without it being him himself. By saying that, he is basically saying he thinks someone is suspicious, and is waiting for someone else to come up and vote for them.

Almost everyone voted for Pythag yesterday, seeing as he wouldn't even defend himself. I'm sorry if I persuaded you by showing how scummy Pythag was being.

Could you point out where I'm pushing for DF? I'm trying to avoid it if I can find any other candidates. I actually believe him to be less scummy than he was yesterday. DF is being a good bit more rational and actually putting content in his posts, which was my original problem with him.

I did NOT say he was too defensive. Please don't put words into my mouth. I said he overreacted because I put one line with him in it and he comes in like I just megaposted him.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Oh yeah, well I was even more right than you, spam_master. But what I was getting at was what someone said earlier (too lazy to find it) that I was going to come out and say "I told you so!" whenever Pythag turned out to be town, which I haven't done, because I know it's scummy to take advantage like that. However, I expect to at least stop being grilled as much... which fortunately is the case. That is why I jumped at your post Jiano, I didn't want to have to start it all over again, especially since I'm gonna be scarce the next few days.

 

[Ronike]

OK, spam, thats my fault. I admit I was skimming, and when I went back and read it more carefully, I realized that you were saying its not suspiscious that PYthag was turning on that one he was formerly defended by. So, sorry about that. But I still find you suspiscious. You dont gloat this early. At the very least, you will make enemies, at the worst, you will come under mega suspiscion because of it, like this. You gloat when you win.

 

[Jiano]

I didn't want to post it, because it basically says I'll die, but I have a one-time night immunity. If someone targets me, nothing effects me that nigh, but it won't work again afterwards. I was sent a PM saying I was shot at last night, and couldn't tell if it was one or more, which to me basically means there was more then one person.

Yes, why did you post this? If you wouldn't have said anything then the mafia would have probably avoided you, but now you say this. I hope you have something else up your sleeve or a doc protects you, because I really don't think you should have revealed that when it doesn't benefit us right now.

 

[spam_master]

You gloat when you win.

You obviously don't know me very well.

In other news, I'm also not as suspicious of DF but he is still on my list, the only reason I really went after him yesterday is because I thought he was more likely mafia than pythag, and it was pretty much down to the two.

Also, I really believe eor's claim that he was the target and that he is immune to one nightkill. He is an experienced player and would be a prime target for mafia, and was also i leader in the pythag lynch which would make him a target for a vigilante. It might be a good idea for someone to protect him tonight. I'm very interested in the details of the PM saying you were shot as many of the weapon's in this game are distinct to a certain person

 

[Ronike]

That wasnt my guess at your character, im saying that a player has the right to gloat when they win (or die depending on the circumstances), not otherwise.

 

[spam_master]

I can except the fact that you find me suspicious, I find you suspicious as well, particularly for claiming that I am under "megasuspicion" when essentailly it's just you and kind of eor and DF . But right now I think it's more constructive to discuss what has happened with eor's claim. Do you believe him? Who do you think targeted him? Was it more than one person? Should the doctor protect him tonight? These are all very important questions in determining who is mafia and who is not.

 

[Mediocre]

Just to remind you guys, I'm going on vacation for two weeks as of tomorrow, so this is probably all you're going to get out of me for a while. I'd really appreciate it if you avoided lynching me while I'm gone.

1. Mediocre- Same reasons as before, and pushed for lynching people simply because they "might" affect us

And Mediocre better say something as well, after all that jazz he pulled on Day 1.

Right! Now that the suspicions are cast, we can wait for some responses and/or cast some more. I personally am looking a mediocre right now...

I'm not exactly sure what makes me so suspicious.

I don't think you can chalk my attempt at lynching smashman to any kind of scuminess. It would have been a stupid move as either town or mafia. As town, it would only serve to attract attention and suspicion to me, and it would be very unlikely to be successful. The same is true if I was mafia. It was really just a stupid move, which I attribute to being new to mafia games. This is the first one I've played, after all.

As for the DiamondFalcon vote, I fail to understand why you find it scummy at all. At the time, DF and Pythag were our top suspects. I thought that it was smarter to lynch DiamondFalcon over Pythag, because of the reasons I gave in this post and this follow up post. Mostly, I thought that if we lynched DF and he was mafia, we could be fairly certain that Pythag was too. However, I didn't think this held true in reverse, so I thought voting for DF was the smarter choice. They both seemed equally suspicious to me, so I thought it was better to go for a possible double mafia kill.

If I had voted for Pythag, would I still be suspicious? What, exactly, makes voting Pythag less suspicious than voting for DiamondFalcon? Nobody has explained to me why Pythag was more suspicious than DiamondFalcon, and I still think that DF would have been the smarter lynch. If you find that scummy, so be it.

That said, I no longer support the idea of lynching DiamondFalcon. If Pythag's roleclaim was true, it's likely that DiamondFalcon's is as well.



So, really, I understand why I'm suspicious. I don't understand why I'm any more suspicious than any of the eight people that wound up lynching Pythag.

 

[Ronike]

I can except the fact that you find me suspicious, I find you suspicious as well, particularly for claiming that I am under "megasuspicion" when essentailly it's just you and kind of eor and DF .

Thats not actually what I said though. I said "Gloating CAN bring mega suspiscion upon you." If I elaborated and said you were under it, I apologize. I dont think you are, just regular suspiscion, maybe slightly more, but not too much as of right now. MOVING ON!

But right now I think it's more constructive to discuss what has happened with eor's claim. Do you believe him? Who do you think targeted him? Was it more than one person? Should the doctor protect him tonight? These are all very important questions in determining who is mafia and who is not.

A) Yes, I believe that Eor is immune for a night kill.
B) Who I think targeted him? Well... personally I find it rather far fetched that all with killing roles would go after him, I mean he wasnt so suspicious as to get the SK, Vig, and Mafia to go after him. I do think it is rather likely that the mafia, and SK went after him, but the Vig was redirected. Im nigh positive that at least one of the three was redirected.
C) Obviously, I think that more than one person targeted him. I believe it was either two or three, the two for sure being a SK and the Mafia, the third being possibly the Vig if there is one. However, considering the violency of the subject matter of this mafia game, I think its likely it was three.
D) Should the doctor protect him... Well, Im not him, so I shall not say what I think he should do. That is for him to decide and him only. Plus, if I said he should or should not, Id likely come under fire for attempting to control the doc. It happened to me in KH, so I shall not post my opinion on this one. However, if we all concede that what we post in response to this question will not work for or against us, then I shall answer honestly.

 

[spam_master]

I think we can agree that it we won't use it against someone, it was really just a question for anybody who wasn't sure if he was telling the truth or not, like if they trusted him enough to have the doc use his save on him.

Also, why are you so sure that a SK targeted him, frozenflame is pretty smart so he might just have put the "you can't tell if it was one person or more" thing in there just so we can't all jump to conclusions like there is no killers other than mafia with the no death we had last night. I'm gonna take a look at FF's other mafia games to se what kind of characters he likes to use. You just seemed really positive and I was wonderin why.

 

[spam_master]

I just reread that second paragraph and it's total rambling but you get the idea of what I was trying to say.

 

[Ronike]

Well, I think there were at least two as there is almost always an SK. There has been in every game Ive played I think. So thats why. Then I think he went after Eor because really he is one of the really good mafia players.

 

[spam_master]

I just realized that FF hasn't hosted any other mafia games, dangit.

 

[KevinM]

I don't know if i should ask why Spam_master put an FOS on me, or just ignore it since he also FOS'd a fourth of the cast

 

[Jiano]

Yes, why did you post this? If you wouldn't have said anything then the mafia would have probably avoided you, but now you say this. I hope you have something else up your sleeve or a doc protects you, because I really don't think you should have revealed that when it doesn't benefit us right now.

Just realized I might not have been clear with this post. I was referring to your one-time bulletproof. I'm just curious why you would need to reveal that it's one time only, when that information benefits no one but the mafia(at this point in time).