Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[Jiano]

Raargh, another post as I had the time to look through day 1.

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bull on Pythag's response. He was trying a new strategy? We all agree that Pythag is a smart person, so why, why would he change his strategy from posting to not giving any reason? Changing your strategy is not turning from smart to dumb, its turning from inquisitor to defender, hardballing it to messing around half the time.

If that was the truth, it would make sense for him to say it once everyone started voting for him. The only diffrence then and from when he did post was that I stopped backing him, and I made my post. When we where voting on him, he posted saying "Unvote: Spam!", meaning he was reading our posts. And he didn't care. Then I made my post, and he comes out saying it was a "strategy" he was using?

I don't believe it. He might not be mafia, but if he isn't, then I'd say he's independent. It might even be more likely that he's independent, running low as a crazy man, in order to miss both the lynches and mafia night kills.

But, either way, it's not a town thing to do. I'm keeping my vote.

Blazer, your posts rose my suspicion again. Mainly that you're trying to claim Pythag is voting on your for personal reasons. It's throwing off what he's saying. Just because you and me vote for the same person does not mean it's for the same reasons, nor are we equal in it. I wouldn't say that Pythag has a vendetta against you.

I persuaded you? I'm sorry but you seemed to be pretty sure yourself that Pythag was scum. You've hinted at it throughout all of day 1, but this post sums it up nicely. I don't see how "Jiano persuaded me," is a good argument at all. I could have said this post persuaded me, does that make you scummy?

Anyway, I went back and looked through Medicores post history to see what people were finding scummy about him. All I could find were a few posts using meta-gaming as a basis for a vote. Which is a horrible reason for a vote. I am very against meta-gaming, if you couldn't tell.

Kada, I know you said you were new, but there's no way you can just lurk like this. If we let mafia lurk and get away with it, they have an easy win. So please, if you are indeed town, try to post more during Day 2.

Same thing for GotMink. None of us like the first couple days, but we still try our best to out scum. Don't you agree that letting lurkers get away with lurking = an easy scum win?

 

[Blazer]

First off I may not be here until tomorrow and will probably have limited time for posting then. Just the heads up.

Now then, I think that Eor is once again desperate to find someone he can convince the town to lynch. He's always accusing someone never stopping to do more thanmaybe a smaall defense on his own behalf. If I weren't leaving I would vote him but for now I'll leave it as an FOS.

 

[ligolski]

sorry for not posting yesterday, i was doing community service

as for eors claim:
a)i am not sure i believe him totally thats b/c i see the following possbilities:
-he could be mafia who now wants doc protection...mafia conspiracy, much like the end of Lost mafia?
-why would he reveal the one time thing unless he wants the mafia to try again and waste another night...meaning he is town...

Originally Posted by spam_master View Post
But right now I think it's more constructive to discuss what has happened with eor's claim. Do you believe him? Who do you think targeted him? Was it more than one person? Should the doctor protect him tonight? These are all very important questions in determining who is mafia and who is not.

-not sure, see above
-anyone who could kill targeted him it seems
-probably
-thats the docs choice not mine, but imo i am truly not sure b/c i also am not sure about the whole i was persuaded thing as Jiano brought up...it seems to contradict what Eor said the day earlier...but then again many of us weren't very sure about the lynch either...but to blame someone else for getting persuaded is lame...and imo not a good reason at all for a vote on someone

vote: eor

 

[Eor]

I'm dropping my posts against Jiano and Mediocre. To be truthfull, I was waiting for Mediocre to post, because I expected he would vote for Jiano. If he did so, I would have been positive he's mafia, and Jiano would have been town.

I'm finding it hard to find evidence on people here. I was wavering on Pythag, I couldn't decide (as I posted several times), and it was Jiano that pushed me towards voting for him.

I was too hasty in that large post. Everything I said in there was true, although I am more suspicious of Medio then Jiano. I am positive the mafia tried to kill me, my PM said so. It was a plot to see if Mediocre would act as suspected, he didn't, and none of my points are, right now, strong enough to vote for someone on.

Unvote: Jiano

I am still suspicious of you, Medi as well. You're both intelligent people, which makes it harder, because every "pro-town" thing you do is suspicious to me as being false.

However, Ligolski is what I was hoping Jiano do.

Look at his post. I say the mafia tried to kill me, and that I had a one-time night ability, so he votes me for it. Did I ask for the docs protection? No. I don't want the doc to protect me. I'd rather he protect someone else, in fact I'd implore him to go to someone else. Let the mafia kill me, if they so wish. I'm fine with it. Rather they kill me then the cop, or someone with an actual night role.

I expected Jiano to vote for me, because I thought/think hes mafia, and therefore would want me dead. I was wavering on the Pythag vote, so I thought he would use the fact that I came in late would mean that I'm mafia. He didn't, I'm surprised, but Ligolski did something similar.

I admit, I messed up by telling everyone it was a one-shot night immunity. I didn't think about lying and saying it was a full time, I just said what it was. It's my fault.

Blaming someone for persuading you is not a dumb idea. Everyone is not equal in a lynch, there is always one or more people pushing for it. Sometimes, that person is mafia. Other times not.

But I still don't see a cohesive reason for you to vote for me. You may thing the "saying he persuaded me" is a weak argument, but then you vote for me for using it?

I know the mafia tried to kill me, meaning that they obviously want me dead. And now Ligolski is voting for me on very sketchy and bad logic.

Vote: Ligolski

 

[Kada]

I'm on the same boat as you guys right now. The fact that Eor told us about that one-time immunity so early really confuses me. He had the advantage of being the only one who knows his power. He could've said that he roleblocked a mafia member, and knew exactly who they were, he could've said that he has some other form of immunity, but instead he tells us that it's one time only, that he was attacked, possibly multiple times, and then gave us a list of who he suspects to have attacked him. That's valuable information and all, but why at such an inopportune moment? And why did he let the whole world see his biggest weakness? If he is a townie, those actions are extremely likely to get him killed, unless the doctor decides to save him. The Mafia knows that the doctor will likely protect Eor, so they probably won't even bother with him tonight. When it comes down it all, what's the point? It doesn't really make sense to me why a townie would put the other town members in such an akward position. Especially the doctor, I really feel sorry for whoever that is right now

As far as the number of people who shot at him is concerned, we have to be really careful about deciding whether or not it was even more than one person in the first place. Sure, Frozen said that he couldn't tell how many people shot at him, but there's really no reason why he wouldn't always post that. Unless anyone has had a different situation, and decides to come out and say something, we can't be sure. It seems like this is Frozen's first Mafia game, so no one really knows how he does his PMing. It makes sense that it was more than one person, but I think we should be a little more cautious when it comes to jumping to conclusions. We at least have to consider the possibility that there might have been a lucky roleblock somewhere, or that someone decided not to make a kill, for whatever reason.


We also could get some answers from trying to figure out which character may have a one-time immunity to being shot. The possible characters I can see having this role are:

Vash - He's a Plant, and he can heal himself. Although he refuses to use his power, he does have it. Vash is definetely a town member.

Millions Knives - He's also a Plant. It doesn't ever say that he actually has healing powers directly, but it's implyed, since all other plants seems to have it. Knives is definetly a Mafia member.

Nicholas D. Wolfwood - Wikipedia states that Wolfwood has been enhanced, and has the ability to regenerate from wounds much quicker than regular human beings. I don't personally ever remember hearing this, but Spam brought it up, and it makes sense to me. Wolfwood's alignment is probably the most contested on in this game. In the Anime, he sticks with Vash, in the Manga he's a Gung-ho Gun, and he could also be independant.

Gray the Ninelives - This one actually makes the most sense to me. In the anime, Wolfwood was able to kill Grey after his body armor was melted off by acid. For the purpose of this game, maybe he can take two hits, and the first only takes his armor off. I would think that Grey is town, since a lot of the Gung-Ho Guns are town members, and out of the few who would be Mafia, there are more likely candidates than Grey.

Zazie the Beast - It's a possibilty that if Zazie was indeed controlled by a different entity, that in this game he could come back in a different body, thus saving himself. Although I don't really see how that would be one-time only, minus the fact that that would be the most broken ability ever. It's hard to say whether Zazie would be town or Mafia.

Livio the Double Fang - I really don't think that he would be in this game, since he's a Manga-only Gung-Ho Gun, but it is said that he has even greater regenerative abilities than Wolfwood, and can survive from near-fatal shots almsost instantly. If Livio was in this game, he would probably be town, as he isn't as evil or pyschotic as some of the other Guns, and it would make sense that they would be Mafia more than he.


And of course, this is all assuming that Eor was being truthful in the first place... which opens up a whole lot more of conversation.

 

[Eor]

If you want me to name-claim/say what restrictions I have, I'd be glad to. None of it really matters now, it's nothing that affects other people.

 

[Kada]

Gee... what an unlucky turn of events. A post at the exact same time =P. Although, I think most of my post is still fine.

 

[Eor]

Twice in a row

 

[Kada]

So, I'm just looking through your post, Eor. basically you're saying that your claim was an attempt to draw out people who you were suspicious of being Mafia, they didn't take the bait, and in the process you made some errors in judgement?

Hey, that works for me. Although, it's not like I'm going to just drop my all suspicions and just move onto something else right away. After all, this is the internet, it's really easy to lie. We could potentially get a lot of information from this turn of events, but at least we now know your side of the story.

But hey, I'm not voting anyone yet, just throwing my ideas out there.

Also... gee, all this posting at the same time is confusing me o_o...

 

[Eor]

Actually, no. I stated about what happened last night to show that the mafia tried to kill me, meaning that I had to have fingered at least one of them the day before in my constant suspicion paragraphs. If I was completely wrong, they wouldn't have targeted me, as I would have just led us off to kill someone else.

For all the "baits"

I waited for Jiano to post what he found, because I thought he would say I was scummy. I thought him mafia, and so knew he would want me dead, so I was waiting for him to say so, so I could come out and vote for him.

He didn't, but I posted my suspicion against him anyways. Truth be told, it was Mediocre who I was more suspicious of, and Jiano was less so. If Mediocre had come out and voted for Jiano, I would have known he was mafia, and was annoyed I had pinned him with someone else. By killing that person, he would have "shown" I was wrong and that Mediocre wasn't mafia. He didn't do so, which doesn't mean anything, but also didn't give me anything else to vote on him for. Nothing I have on them is strong enough to vote for, and so I unvoted Jiano.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

14th Official Vote Count

Eorlingas (1): Ligolski
Ligolski (1): Eorlingas
Spam master (1): Ronike

It takes 8 to lynch.

P.S. lulz @ Eor's and Kada's synchronized posting. XP

 

[spam_master]

I would have been really suspicious of eor if he had said anything other than what he did. If he had said that he roleblocked the mafia there is no way he could verify it, and no normal roleblocker would want to come out and say they did. And, if he had said he had permanent immunity I would have known that he was lying, as no town member would ever be given that ability.

I would like to hear your role and ability parameters, but only if your one-time immunity was your only power or your other power sucks.

 

[Eor]

14th Official Vote Count

Eorlingas (1): Ligolski
Spam master (1): Ronike

It takes 8 to lynch.

P.S. lulz @ Eor's and Kada's synchronized posting. XP

Ligolski voted for me

 

[Eor]

I mean I voted for Ligolski

 

[Eor]

I'll wait for one more person to ask, because it'd require a name claim. Not that it really matters, but I don't want to just out it without there being full reason for. It's nothing large, I don't have any other night abilities, but a restriction.

 

[commonyoshi]

Crap... The site went funny, and I couldn't get on for an hour. I had stuff to say too. -_-

I dont think Spam is any more suspicious than anyone else here.
Eor made a mistake proclaiming his role so early.
Jiano, you did say it was bad to be too defensive, or at least you came off that way.

Eor, please role claim. I dont see any reason not to anymore. If you announce your role restriction now we would watch out for it. It wouldn't be good if someone caught you in it, and we decided to lynch you because you were acting funny, just for you to come out with it later. It would just be one giant mess.

Crap... I know I had more opinions than that...

 

[camo-man]

Same here... I got a database error. :O

Well, I'm sorry, but this time it's MY turn to take a vacation. I'll be gone for a week or so starting tomorrow... please don't lynch me until i get back and defend myself if you ever come to a conclusion where it involves me being killed. D:

 

[Eor]

Alright

I'm Vash the Stampede, and a pacifist. The PM said that I had vast reflexes and agility, then said I had my one-time night immunity, which I would mean is the result of my speed. It also said I was a staunch pacifist, and refused to kill anyone. I can vote for people, but if I'm the last vote on a person that dies (aka I'm the hammer vote), I kill myself in grief.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Oh wow, the main character. I guess it doesn't matter anymore since you took your hit already, but I have believed for most of the game, and I believe you now, though it's possible that you could be trying to out the real Vash. I'll let Trigun watchers decide if this is a logical roleclaim or not.

 

[Jiano]

Jiano, you did say it was bad to be too defensive, or at least you came off that way.

This is going to keep happening isn't it? Heh, when I said that(which was to Blazer) he was defending himself using illogical arguments and resorting to calling people idiots etc. I don't know why I said that was too defensive, but I don't think being too defensive is always a bad thing.

 

[Jiano]

Alright

I'm Vash the Stampede, and a pacifist. The PM said that I had vast reflexes and agility, then said I had my one-time night immunity, which I would mean is the result of my speed. It also said I was a staunch pacifist, and refused to kill anyone. I can vote for people, but if I'm the last vote on a person that dies (aka I'm the hammer vote), I kill myself in grief.

I'm believing this. There's no reason for a mafia to fake claim the MAIN character this early in the game. So unless someone counter claims(which I doubt is going to happen), Eor is town to me.

 

[GotMink]

Which is good because he usually is the most intelligent poster but usually also under much suspicion, so now that we know he's town, this can be very beneficial to us. (with no night kill and a trusted townie who is intelligent, this is looking up for the town ^_^) (also whoever is the doctor protect eor)

 

[spam_master]

So if we all believe eor our best chances of finding a mafia is one of these 7.

Jiano, Blazer, Chill, Kevin M, commonyoshi, Ronike, Ligolski, smashman90

As this day has gone on I feel like the people i find the least suspicoius are smash, common, ronike, Chill. So my list of suspects is.

Jiano, Blazer, Kevin M, and Ligolski

With the first three being roughly equal in my suspicions and ligolski barely making the list only for goin after eor and an unusual lack of top notch arguments.

 

[Eor]

I'm not following how you made your list

 

[commonyoshi]

Did you take out all the people who are on vacation or something?

And I've been rather innactive, at least in my opinion I have. What seperates one group from the other?

 

[Kada]

I was about to say something about that. What makes everyone else less likely to be Mafia, minus the people who have roleclaimed?

 

[spam_master]

The list is of everyone who voted for Pythag minus eor, as they are the most active and probably include at least two mafia.

Then I took out who I feel to be not very suspicious.

It is just a list for myself, I by no means wish to push it onto anybody else.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

It is a reasonable list, those are who I'm looking at, if you include Mediocre.

 

[Eor]

Agh, SP mafia is finally over. Now I can post for freely without worrying about giving away my alignment in that game.

From what I've seen, it doesn't matter how much evidence there is against a person. If he is well articulate, and knows a few basics of debating, it would appear that he will win. Unless the person makes a glaring mistake, he can probably get out of it.

Which is why I've been using more of a "I feel bad about him" instead of "Look at this post, paragraph 3". In the last game, I basically pushed for several lynches, and managed to get out of them. Some, like Lance, just had a feeling about me, and where completely correct. Which is what I've been trying to do.

 

[ligolski]

However, Ligolski is what I was hoping Jiano do.

Look at his post. I say the mafia tried to kill me, and that I had a one-time night ability, so he votes me for it. Did I ask for the docs protection? No. I don't want the doc to protect me. I'd rather he protect someone else, in fact I'd implore him to go to someone else. Let the mafia kill me, if they so wish. I'm fine with it. Rather they kill me then the cop, or someone with an actual night role.

I expected Jiano to vote for me, because I thought/think hes mafia, and therefore would want me dead. I was wavering on the Pythag vote, so I thought he would use the fact that I came in late would mean that I'm mafia. He didn't, I'm surprised, but Ligolski did something similar.

I admit, I messed up by telling everyone it was a one-shot night immunity. I didn't think about lying and saying it was a full time, I just said what it was. It's my fault.

Blaming someone for persuading you is not a dumb idea. Everyone is not equal in a lynch, there is always one or more people pushing for it. Sometimes, that person is mafia. Other times not.

But I still don't see a cohesive reason for you to vote for me. You may thing the "saying he persuaded me" is a weak argument, but then you vote for me for using it?

I know the mafia tried to kill me, meaning that they obviously want me dead. And now Ligolski is voting for me on very sketchy and bad logic.

Vote: Ligolski

whoa that is not what i voted you for...you are twisting what i said or maybe i didn't fully put out my reasoning...i voted you solely b/c it thought your reasoning for voting Jiano wasn't very well developed plus your seemingly contradicting stance for blaming Jiano but before that saying you weren't sure anyway...i hope everyone sees what i am talking aobut here...

But I still don't see a cohesive reason for you to vote for me. You may thing the "saying he persuaded me" is a weak argument, but then you vote for me for using it?

I know the mafia tried to kill me, meaning that they obviously want me dead. And now Ligolski is voting for me on very sketchy and bad logic.

so what is YOUR cohesive reason for voting Jiano...o yea i know he "persuaded me"...to me that is extremely weak, stand up for your own actions...he came fresh into the game, brought the subject back out and then enough agreed to lynch him...

a) we don't know that the mafia actually tried to kill you, remember that...so don't go all "arh the mafia tried to kill me, i is town!"

but i believe your roleclaim and it deserves an unvote

unvote: Eor

ano, Blazer, Kevin M, and Ligolski

With the first three being roughly equal in my suspicions and ligolski barely making the list only for goin after eor and an unusual lack of top notch arguments.

if eor hadn't name claimed then i would have said add eor to that...my loigc makes sense to me, eor's reason for his vote wasn't very strong as i have stated above...

 

[camo-man]

Eor's role-claim = auto town. cuz the real vash would come out and screw him over if he's lying, then it's 1 for 1, no matter how good vash's ability is, it's still better for the town.

 

[smashman90]

Alright, so all of us are pretty sure that Eor is a townie. So what's our next move?

 

[spam_master]

I'm gonna go with my gut. Seeing as how my gut has now been verified as a reliable method of determining alignemt, by SPMII.

Vote: Kevin M

 

[smashman90]

I'm gonna go with my gut. Seeing as how my gut has now been verified as a reliable method of determining alignemt, by SPMII.

Vote: Kevin M

I don't think it would be a good idea to go with your gut. Remember how you accused me and Mink of being mafia members in SPMII? Turned out we were townies.

 

[Chill]

Eor's role-claim = auto town. cuz the real vash would come out and screw him over if he's lying, then it's 1 for 1, no matter how good vash's ability is, it's still better for the town.

Not really. Eor has basically "wasted" his ability by claiming it so early. A way to make up for this is to claim the main character. If the real Vash counter claims all doc protection would likely go to him and allowing the mafia to pick off another town player.

And if we couldn't decide who to believe we would need to spend the night getting the two investigated. The mafia could have the abilty to mess with the results or they could just use it as another time waster allowing them a few days to do whatever they want.

I believe Eor for now but this doesn't equal "auto town" for me.

 

[camo-man]

no, i'm saying the real vash should sacrafice himself to kill the fake one, because no matter how good his power is, it would most likely significantly drop the mafia's power quite a bit.

 

[commonyoshi]

I'd rather just kill one off in a 50/50 chance of getting mafia... That leaves the cop to do better and greater things.

 

[spam_master]

I don't think it would be a good idea to go with your gut. Remember how you accused me and Mink of being mafia members in SPMII? Turned out we were townies.

Because you feverishly defended agentli who my gut was sure was mafia.

 

[GotMink]

I'm pretty sure just because you got lucky once that we can assume kevinM is mafia... is there ANY evidence that you have to support your claim? if there is i'm listening but if it's just a "i think he's mafia jsut because and last game i thought someone was mafia just because so therefore he must be mafia" i'm not gonna vote for him.

 

[GotMink]

*we CAN'T* >_< missed that....