Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[commonyoshi]

Let's at least wait untilwe can get Jiano's opinion first.

But seriously, am I the only one with the messed up Message Box here? It's like a little 2x2 square.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Nope, mine is too.

 

[Jiano]

Ok, that was quite a read. A lot of discussion for day 1 I must say. My list of suspects are: Blazer, Pythag, and DiamondFalcon. Remember it is day 1 so it is really a shot in the dark trying to find scum.

Blazer seems to take a VERY defensive stance when accused, which could be scum tell, or he could just be over reacting. Judging from his overall style though, it just seems like poor play rather than a mafia trying to divert attention off himself.

Pythag started off throwing out votes with no reasoning and generally just lurking. Finally when he was called out on it he comes in with a post saying he was "changing his style of play." That's definitely scummy to me. His defenses haven't been that great and then when near lynch he comes out with a suspicious role claim. DiamondFalcon comes in with a role claim to confirm Pythag's role could very well be town.

DiamondFalcon also was throwing votes out left and right jumping from person to person. He has gave little reasoning behind any of his votes and just gives off a scummy vibe. His role claim is also kinda iffy.

I just want to say you can't always be quick to believe role claims, since everyone is going to role claim when near lynch. If you really think someone is scum, don't let a suspicious role claim change your mind. In this situation though, we have DiamondFalcon with a claim that semi-confirms Pythag. I do believe both of them are Gung-Ho, but I don't believe that they're both town.

To me, Pythag has acted the most scummy all game with his flip flopping votes, poor defense, and a suspicious role claim.

Vote: Pythag

 

[Chill]

Jiano, I love you.

unvote: agentli who has been replace by Jiano

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

9th Official Vote Count

Pythag (1): Jiano
DiamondFalcon (1): spam master

It takes 9 to lynch

 

[commonyoshi]

Blazer seems to take a VERY defensive stance when accused, which could be scum tell, or he could just be over reacting. Judging from his overall style though, it just seems like poor play rather than a mafia trying to divert attention off himself.

Oho, looks like you've played this game before. That's a pleasant surprise.

I play mafia in another forum, and this "too defensive" accusation gets thrown around a lot over there, particularly at me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being defensive. In my experience, that's just another way of saying someone is too good at owning someone else's arguement, and they have nothing to accuse him of so they have to accuse him of being defensive. Whenever I post some big old paragraph explaining why I am right and they are wrong, they all go "too defensive". I'm pretty tired of hearing it.

 

[Rici]

I wanna sign up as replacement.

 

[Blazer]

Jiano, whether you find me suspicious or not,you just led us to the end of this overlengthy day I believe. Even if I really want to believe Pythag your right that that was poor reasoning. Give him a last chance in his defense before we cast the last vote.

Voteythag

 

[Chill]

Blazer, I hate you.

vote: Pythag

 

[Chill]

*warns self for editing*

Gideon turned sigs back on in forum games.

 

[Eor]

Haven't they always been on?

 

[Mediocre]

They're still off for me.

 

[Kada]

Sorry to announce this now, but on monday I will be leaving for a week, without internet access. I may try to get someone to post for me at my house, but if not I'm sorry.
(this also goes for south park mafia)

Just figured I'd point that out. If you're looking for him to defend himself, you might be in for a bit of a wait.


As for myself, I really have been here every day. Just in case you guys were wondering/you even remembered that I exist. Once something comes up where I actually feel like I have something helpful to addd, then I'll post. Until then, I'd rather lurk than make pointless posts

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Haven't they always been on?

They've been off for me for a long time.

 

[camo-man]

Mine's on now... >_> My fast reply box also has a silver border...

 

[Blazer]

My sig is on now too. Fast reply box isn't tiny anymore though...

 

[Eor]

Gideon is working on it

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Alright already, I explained that my vote shifting is to get reactions (which helps gather info and move the game forward, as opposed to lurking and waiting for someone to be randomly lynched), it's only Day 1 so I have no real reasons other than suspicious mafia activity (such as bandwagoning, etc.) and I have no idea why you wouldn't believe my role claim, it's backed by facts and explanations (that I hope you didn't skim over). I even helped defend Pythag because I feel he is town and in the same boat that I am. I will not support this bandwagon on him, especially if he said he was going to be away.

 

[Jiano]

Alright already, I explained that my vote shifting is to get reactions (which helps gather info and move the game forward, as opposed to lurking and waiting for someone to be randomly lynched), it's only Day 1 so I have no real reasons other than suspicious mafia activity (such as bandwagoning, etc.)

Funny you say you just vote to get reactions instead of, you know, voting on people you think are scum. Did you realize voting with no real reason is "suspicious mafia activity?"

You're right though, it is day 1, so we don't have much to go off of. We have to lynch someone, as a no-lynch only helps the mafia. So how about if you want the game to move forward, you let us know who you think is scum instead of just randomly throwing out votes?

I have no idea why you wouldn't believe my role claim, it's backed by facts and explanations (that I hope you didn't skim over). I even helped defend Pythag because I feel he is town and in the same boat that I am. I will not support this bandwagon on him, especially if he said he was going to be away.

Please point out these "facts," because I'm not seeing any.

 

[Blazer]

Jiano>Ligolski officially.

Frozen you have some competition...

 

[spam_master]

I'm gonna say it right now, Pythag's random votes weren't even serious votes, they were basicly joke votes without the funny part.

I think that Pythag is town, and I'm not going to change my mind unless someone can come up with a better argument against him.

I think we have to except that some gun ho guns are going to be town, otherwise there are not enough characters even if you use one that is only in one or two episodes.

 

[commonyoshi]

I'm going to agree with Spam and with hold my vote until a better arguement is put up. So far it just seems like Pythag was being a goof off, though I dont know why. Diamond seems more skethy to me, but even so there's not enough for me to vote on. Besides, I'm not getting any "vibes" and "feelings" against them.

 

[Eor]

I can't believe that Diamond Falcon would be stupid enough to come out and do what he did if him and Pythag where both mafia.

I agree with the others, I won't vote unless something better comes up.

Also, does anyone else think Blazer's praise of Jiano rather odd? I mean, the guy made 2-3 posts and Blazer just claimed he was one of the greatest mafia players here. At least, that is how I took his "Frozen has some competition" statement to mean, and I can't exactly see any other interpretation of it.

 

[Jiano]

Also, does anyone else think Blazer's praise of Jiano rather odd? I mean, the guy made 2-3 posts and Blazer just claimed he was one of the greatest mafia players here. At least, that is how I took his "Frozen has some competition" statement to mean, and I can't exactly see any other interpretation of it.

I thought it was pretty weird. I haven't even said that much, but whatever. I'll take any compliments I can get.

 

[Ronike]

Im back on wendsday, just so all know.

Ive had a few minutes to read this all over, and I found Blazer's praise rather odd as well. There was no real reason for it as Jiano so far hasnt shown himself to be better than either Liggy or Frozen. The only reason I can see for it is Blazer is trying to keep all on his good side, something that many anti-town people try to do. so yeah:
FOS: Blazer, possibly a vote on wed.

 

[Kada]

The way that I see it, Pythag's behavior could mean one of two things. On the one hand, he could be a Mafia member, making a very risky move throwing out random votes, and posting erratically. This could be either to stir up conversation, since conversation was going fairly slow at the time, or it could've been to draw attention away from somebody else. I'd like to point out that Pythag started getting voted for close to the time when you all started unvoting Blazer. And the heat instantly switched, leaving little attention left focused on Blazer. Could this just be a coincidence? I think it probably could, but it may be something.

On the other hand, Pythag could be town, and his whole explaination could be true. He might have just been really stressed out and tired, and in general having a rough life, which doesn't seem to be unlikely to me. If that's the case, than Diamond Falcon's role-claim is probably also true. I see no reason why Diamond would make a role claim like that in Pythag's defense if he were Mafia, it hasn't helped his reputation at all, and It's only served to make you all suspicious. I personally believe that Pythag and Diamond are both town, since I really don't see how their actions would make sense if they were Mafia. I can only really see this situation benefitting them as Mafia if they were doing this on purpose, in order to gain everybody's trust in the long run, but it would make a lot more sense to me that if Pythag and Diamond were Mafia, that they would've tried to blend in a little more.

As much as I know everyone wants to lynch someone, lynching the wrong person can be just as bad as a no-lynch. If we lynch a townie, that only serves to help the Mafia a lot more than a no-lynch would, since they still nightkill somebody, and we're still sent right back to where we started. The only difference being we have 2 less people to worry about instead of one, not to mention there's a much bigger chance that we lose somebody important, like a doctor or a cop.

I have my own suspicions about people, but that's all they are, suspicions. I don't have a lot to base them on at this point, so I'm going to keep them to myself for later. On a completely random note, I hope that I'm not being a total clueless noob who has no clue what he's talking about, and I hope that I'm making a decent first serious Mafia post <_<

 

[Chill]

As much as I know everyone wants to lynch someone, lynching the wrong person can be just as bad as a no-lynch. If we lynch a townie, that only serves to help the Mafia a lot more than a no-lynch would, since they still nightkill somebody, and we're still sent right back to where we started. The only difference being we have 2 less people to worry about instead of one, not to mention there's a much bigger chance that we lose somebody important, like a doctor or a cop.

That's not really true though. If we go through with a lynch we can look more closely at the behaviors of those who wanted the lynch and those who opposed it. What reasons were given for doing so, etc.

If we vote no lynch it's more like playing with two Day 1s.

 

[Blazer]

I praised him because he came in and we finally had someone take charge.

If you all are going to lynch me on complimenting someone then your absolute idiots and I'm going to say that I hope the town loses if it does come to that, I won't support stupid people.

 

[Jiano]

If you all are going to lynch me on complimenting someone then your absolute idiots and I'm going to say that I hope the town loses if it does come to that, I won't support stupid people.

This is what I was referring to when I said you get overly defensive. I know you want to defend yourself, but try to be more rational about it.

Most of you want more evidence before you vote, but it won't present itself without more discussion. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Eor]

Blazer, I pointed out it was odd. you respond by saying we're ****ing ******** and that you want us to all die

Do you not see a problem with that?

 

[Blazer]

If you decide to lynch me over it yes. That's absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Hey your actually helping! That's great. Your probably really good since you just joined in!"

"NO YOUS IS SUSPICIOUS!!!111 YOU COMPLIMENTED SOMEBODY!"

That's pretty well your entire case here.

And no, if the town is stupid enough to go for lynching someone on those grounds, I will not cheer for them after my death. I'd rather lose the game than see stupid people win.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

We wouldn't lynch you on those grounds (though some people are voting on you for it). Also, your stance seems very anti-town, the way you get angry like that.

Anyways, the point is, his post was nowhere near a frozenesque quality post, and you said that he somehow compared... it seemed like false praise meant to gain a friend, or back a buddy.

 

[Blazer]

Why would I do that though? Notice in SP mafia I learned that doing that is going to seem suspicious. I found that him coming in and helping was genuinely a good thing. If I was mafia I wouldn't blatantly compliment someone like that.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, noone has come in like that as a replacment and led us away from what might have become a no lynch. He did deserve the compliments.

 

[Chill]

If this argument continues any longer both sides will be accusing the other of something that was never said.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Sure, a no lynch helps the mafia, but so does a mislynch, which in my POV is where his posts were leading us.
^Look at Kada's post above for a more genuine post IMO.

 

[Blazer]

I'd rather have a mislynch than a second day 1.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

It wouldn't be a second Day 1, given we have a cop, and the mafia make their kill. Besides, I think we've learned at least a little about each player this Day.

 

[camo-man]

... both options horrible..

another option is some role with info come out and share. ^_^

 

[Jiano]

I was just looking over the last few pages and I noticed this from spam_master:

Unvotehill

I don't really know who I feel is mafia, all I know is that Falcon is really getting on my nerves.

He keeps FOS and Voting like a madman, and while I wouldn't care if he had even kinda good reasons, it just looks like his throwing out names to see if people back him up.

He's either a mafia who's parteners realize he's to obvious, an overzealous and confusion 9inducing town (like Spam_master in SPM 2 overzealous), or an indpenedent.

All three are at least bad in their own way.

Vote:Falcon

Plus, if we lynch we will have very reliable information as to pythag's alignment.

Contradicts this:

I'm gonna say it right now, Pythag's random votes weren't even serious votes, they were basicly joke votes without the funny part.

I think that Pythag is town, and I'm not going to change my mind unless someone can come up with a better argument against him.

I think we have to except that some gun ho guns are going to be town, otherwise there are not enough characters even if you use one that is only in one or two episodes.

You said DiamondFalcon was throwing out votes, just like Pythag, but gave a little reasoning for it. On the other hand Pythag gave no more reasoning(aka none) for his votes. I am not understanding your logic.

Yes, we have to accept some Gung-Ho are town, but we also have to accept that some are mafia. I'm sticking with my vote until Pythag either defends himself properly or someone builds a better case against someone else.

 

[Jiano]

Sorry for the double post, but I feel like I should bring this up

Ok, to be completely serious, I think we should lynch pythag.
He's lying up the wazoo and is probably lying about his role.
In fact I have it on good authority that he's an independent or mafia!


Ok, let's see what else I have in my bag of strategies...
By my count I have 6 votes on me at this time.
Vote: Pythag
..and now I have 7.


The next person that votes on me must be mafia.

Unless you wish to take your vote off of me.
I feel the need to write this again.
I am town.

This is the worst defense I've ever seen. Pythag, if you're town, what the hell?

I don't understand how you can not see this guy as scummy.