Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[ligolski]

i wish frozen would get back from his vacation to post a vote count...

i am just as confused as eor...he tried to kill the main town but turned last second against the bad guys...now that DF has come out and said who he is, it complicates this further...but i can see this in a few ways...

a) they are both mafia/independent trying to save pythag
b) they are actually town
c) the earlier statement of which one Df is mafia with the whole i told you so...

the last one seems the most farfetched at this point...the first two are the most possible...i believe that since the the guys turned "good" at the last moment they are more mafia than town...it seems that at the end of trigun/episode or something is the only time they were "good"...they were bad more than they were good it seems from the descriptions given thus far...so i think pythag and DF are mafia/independent attempting to save pythag through name claiming...PLUS they say they are not masons but it seems their characters would be naturally masons b/c of the info given thus far about trigun...meaning they are lieing...

vote: pythag

 

[DiamondFalcon]

No lig, you're making a mistake (at least you are going through this logically).
Did you read my quote from Wikipedia? It's basically what frozen told me in my PM, that I was a former Gun but I realized that it was not Vash's fault for somebody's death but rather Knives and the Gung-ho's fault so I turn against them.
About your choices:
a) If we were mafia, you think we'd both claim Gung-ho guns? Especially when there is no pressure on me to? I did it because Pythag was in the same situation as me (townie that turns good at the end that frozen decided to make town).

I have to go to work until 6, please don't lynch anyone until you've sorted it all out.

 

[spam_master]

guys I seriosly think that pythag is town and was just screwing around with his votes cause he was tired.

And, if you think about some of the gun ho guns have to be town or their wouldn't be any characters left to be town. And, if any gun ho guns are potentioally town, it's the hornfreak.

 

[GotMink]

I think the mason is a real possibility with one town/independent and one mafia. with one of you defending the other because you'll die otherwise... but i really don't know right now so I'm withholding my vote from either of you until we get this sorted out.

 

[agentli]

I'm not quite sure. They might not be masons, but just need each other to survive to ensure victory or something like that.

 

[Mediocre]

No lig, you're making a mistake (at least you are going through this logically).
Did you read my quote from Wikipedia? It's basically what frozen told me in my PM, that I was a former Gun but I realized that it was not Vash's fault for somebody's death but rather Knives and the Gung-ho's fault so I turn against them.
About your choices:
a) If we were mafia, you think we'd both claim Gung-ho guns? Especially when there is no pressure on me to? I did it because Pythag was in the same situation as me (townie that turns good at the end that frozen decided to make town).

For now I'm going to Unvote: Pythag not because I trust him, but simply because I think he's too close to a lynch and I want to discuss further.

Also, I don't really see how he could be mafia. There simply aren't enough obvious townie characters, so it makes a lot of sense that he wouldn't be mafia. I'm really not sure where I stand on this, now.

 

[commonyoshi]

a) they are both mafia/independent trying to save pythag
b) they are actually town
c) the earlier statement of which one Df is mafia with the whole i told you so...

d) Diamond is town who took a little backround info a bit too seriously

 

[Eor]

None of this roleclaiming stuff would make me want to kill him, but I still don't believe him about why he was just posting like ****. I really can't believe that

 

[Mediocre]

None of this roleclaiming stuff would make me want to kill him, but I still don't believe him about why he was just posting like ****. I really can't believe that

But the thing is, his actions don't make sense in any context.

Whether he turns out to be town or mafia, the way he was posting is still really stupid.

 

[Eor]

I've already posted on why I think he was acting like that, it hasn't changed

 

[spam_master]

Guy's we already figured out that they aren't mason, some people just misinterpreted diamondfalcon's post.

I have come to the recent revelation that having a job sucks hard, and I kinda feel for how tired pythag may have been. I recently started working and it has been a hassle to keep doing everything I used too.

I think we have to face the fact that some gun ho guns have to be town or their simply wouldn't be enough characters to make up the town.

I've read the wikipedia pages on most of the gun ho guns and these too seem to be the least tight with knives (the most likely godfather of the mafia). This leads to believe that pythag is town.

I am still not sure about DiamondFalcon just because he role claimed so quickly and eagerly, he may just be trying ot make himself look good.

Even if pythag was mafia there would be no reason to act the way he did other than there was no real conversation going on and he was tired.

 

[Eor]

After deep thinking, I cannot decide on Pythag. I know I have probably said that 800 times, but as I cannot fully claim that he is mafia, I'm not going to vote for him

Unvote: Pythag

I am still deeply suspicious of him, but everything recent has made me almost doubt it.

Chill has been giving me terrible vibes

 

[Blazer]

Hey sorry I've not been on I've been and still am at a friend's I should b e getting back to my place tomorrow to catch up.

(Yes this is the same generic post from SP mafia)

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Guy's we already figured out that they aren't mason, some people just misinterpreted diamondfalcon's post.

I have come to the recent revelation that having a job sucks hard, and I kinda feel for how tired pythag may have been. I recently started working and it has been a hassle to keep doing everything I used too.

I think we have to face the fact that some gun ho guns have to be town or their simply wouldn't be enough characters to make up the town.

I've read the wikipedia pages on most of the gun ho guns and these too seem to be the least tight with knives (the most likely godfather of the mafia). This leads to believe that pythag is town.

I am still not sure about DiamondFalcon just because he role claimed so quickly and eagerly, he may just be trying ot make himself look good.

Even if pythag was mafia there would be no reason to act the way he did other than there was no real conversation going on and he was tired.

Thank you all for reconsidering instead of going for the quick lynch. My claim was not for myself, it was all to show an extra example in order to help Pythag from getting mislynched. I don't believe my siding with Pythag proves anything about my alignment, but I hope that my own background facts do justice. Perhaps I took the "masonry" gesture a little to far in taking it upon myself to defend Pythag, but I hope you can understand that I just felt like I needed to be the one to do it. It wouldn't make sense anyways for us not just to say we are masons if we really were. Now we should look into those who have pushed for our lynch in hopes of finding some mafia quick lynchers. And common, perhaps the Hoppered and Midvalley being manga buddies was a bit to far, but the other background information was perfectly relevant to my case. It's not my fault that frozen planned it this way.

 

[camo-man]

>_> So back to Square one... *sighs*

*points out back to square one is a yugioh card*

Everyone else: WTF?

 

[ligolski]

hmmm...i guess this point is becoming moot...so...unvote: pythag
i will unvote for now seeing as how most of everyone else believes you which is now making me think twice and give you a second chance...i guess...so where do we want to go from here? no lynch? lynch an inactive? lynch someone else?

 

[Dark_Ermac]

I join as replacement.

 

[Ronike]

OK, I keep forgetting to post this, so here goes:
Im on vacation on a slow *** computer. Therefore Im not gonna be on a lot at all. THis goes for SP mafia as well.

Sidenote: IKE!!!! YES!!!!!!

 

[KevinM]

Lynching an inactive might be our best bet for now unless we can fill them with replacements..

 

[smashman90]

Well, then who are our most inactive members then?

 

[Chill]

After deep thinking, I cannot decide on Pythag. I know I have probably said that 800 times, but as I cannot fully claim that he is mafia, I'm not going to vote for him

Unvote: Pythag

I am still deeply suspicious of him, but everything recent has made me almost doubt it.

Chill has been giving me terrible vibes

You've mentioned that you're getting vibes from me several times. If you have some suspicion than say something.

None of this roleclaiming stuff would make me want to kill him, but I still don't believe him about why he was just posting like ****. I really can't believe that

You don't believe him (I read this as you think he is lying) and yet you don't want to vote for him? I believe it was frozen who came up with the term 'lynch all liars". Mafia players are the only ones who would want to lie and town players who lie only spread confusion.

A town player has no reason to lie and should never do so.

 

[commonyoshi]

So are you saying we should continue to proceed in Pythag's lynch then?

 

[Eor]

You've mentioned that you're getting vibes from me several times. If you have some suspicion than say something.

I did say something, I haven't said anything more because there is nothing else to say. If I was going to vote for you, then I would go back and try to grab evidence to support myself. At the moment, I just have vibes. I said it before, I'm not going to vote for someone just because of a bad feeling.

You don't believe him (I read this as you think he is lying) and yet you don't want to vote for him? I believe it was frozen who came up with the term 'lynch all liars". Mafia players are the only ones who would want to lie and town players who lie only spread confusion.

A town player has no reason to lie and should never do so.

No disrespect to Frozen (who I think is the best player at this game), but "lynch all liars" is a terrible strategy. People always lie. Look at Spam_Master in South Park, he lied twice, deliberately, but he was town. Lying is definitely not a smart strategy to use, but there is no reason to believe that the person is mafia.

I'm not sure if Pythag is lying. If he is lying, then I would vote. That's the thing, I cannot make up my mind. I think it's likely that he's lying, but I just cannot decide.

I'm not saying Pythag is town, I am still overly suspicious of him. But as I cannot claim that he is mafia, I will not vote for him. If something like that ever comes up for him again, I won't hesitate to vote for him.

 

[ligolski]

no comment yet but...

i will be gone fromt he 3rd till the 12th with no net access...i think

 

[Chill]

I looked at South Park Mafia for reference and saw that SM was lynched on Day 2. I'm going to assume he wasn't being truthful. If my assumsption is correct I have not sympathy for him. That's what he gets.

@common, does anyone have any other ideas? Oh wait ligolski does!

No lynch

 

[ligolski]

errrrrrrrrrrrr........... >_>

 

[DiamondFalcon]

No, next we need frozen to give us a vote count so we can see who all voted for Pythag.

 

[smashman90]

And I will be gone from August 6 to August 10.

 

[commonyoshi]

I looked at South Park Mafia for reference and saw that SM was lynched on Day 2. I'm going to assume he wasn't being truthful. If my assumsption is correct I have not sympathy for him. That's what he gets.

V_V he was the cop.

I'm going to have to join in with Eor and voice my suspicions against Chill. It's not much, but I sure suspect him more than I do Pythag, and I know Pythag suspects Chill as well, one reason I didn't vote against him. Not that I wholeheartedly believed what he was saying either about that switching playing tactics mumbo jumbo. Of course, he could have been diverting attention away from himself.

Oh, and I shall be gone without internet access from 6:30-7:00 PM tonight.

 

[spam_master]

I have also been feeling the vibes from chill and as I rethink what happened with pythag I think more and moree that chill really took it out of proportion. I really feel that pythag is telling the truth, and his original offense was not that aggregious. Chill, as an experienced player should know that a large number of votes on day one are baseless, and I think most of us are forgetting it's day one.

The most we can base our votes on in a day one are gut feelings and wild interpretations. Chill made the wild interpretation that because someone made a vote on someone who didn't even have any other votes on them made them mafia. And now I'm gonnn ause my gut feeling to tell me that chill is mafia.

Votehill

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'm baaaaaaaaaack! Who missed me? XP

7th Official Vote Count

Pythag (2): Chill, KevinM
Chill (1): Spam master
Commonyoshi (1): DiamonFlacon

It takes 9 to lynch

I'm really liking the discussion spike guys, keep it up!

Spam, I've let you slide on it more times than I can remember, but please try to remember to unvote your old vote before you vote for someone else.

EORLINGAS HOW DARE YOU DEFY THE LAL PHILOSOPHY! I SHALL SMITE THEE!

Eorlingas may no longer vote until the end of this [in game] day.

>_> <_<

Well you did compliment me....

Scatch that.

 

[Pythag]

Frozen, i can't help but wonder, how fun is it to watch our conversations play out?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

It's really quite interesting. Knowing all the roles and who possesses each one allows me to better understand each player's motivation for saying certain things, whether they be truth, half truths, or complete fiction. There's nothing quite like knowing all the answers and watching everyone else squabble for them, knowing that no matter how much you wanna give them a nudge in the right direction, you can only sit silently. XP

 

[Chill]

The most we can base our votes on in a day one are gut feelings and wild interpretations. Chill made the wild interpretation that because someone made a vote on someone who didn't even have any other votes on them made them mafia. And now I'm gonnn ause my gut feeling to tell me that chill is mafia.

No I didn't. I said "I'm going to vote for Pythag because he hasn't been giving any reasoning for his votes." Eoringlas pulled up all of his posts and confirmed his erractic behavior. But thanks anyways.

I don't understand your logic. You want to vote for the person with reasoning behind thier post and an actually argument but you don't want to vote for the guy whose best excuse is "I wanted to try something different"?

 

[spam_master]

I would be more suspicious if the votes that he had no backup had actually had an effect. But, none of the votes he made were on people who had any prior votes.

It would be a much bigger deal if he was jumping on a player that already had two or threee votes but, what he was doing was essentially joke voting, if joke voting is defined as a vote with a nonsensical reason behind it that isn't intended to kill.

 

[Blazer]

Unvoteythag


I thought I took my vote off of him a long time ago? I'm pretty sure I took my vote off before almost anyone did.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I think Chill has been acting really suspicious, but of course I've never seen him play before. But usually it's the players that bandwagon rather than the player who start the vote that tend to be mafia, people like KevinM. I'm gonna hold back and see what happens before I change my vote.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Unvoteythag


I thought I took my vote off of him a long time ago? I'm pretty sure I took my vote off before almost anyone did.

No sir. Trust me, I'd like to think I did a very thorough job of tracking the votes while I was catching up on all that I missed while I was gone. Of course you're welcome to find the post in which you unvoted and prove me wrong though.

 

[ligolski]

No sir. Trust me, I'd like to think I did a very thorough job of tracking the votes while I was catching up on all that I missed while I was gone. Of course you're welcome to find the post in which you unvoted and prove me wrong though.

actually your second last vote count missed my vote but i took it off shortly after...just throwing it out there

 

[Chill]

I would be more suspicious if the votes that he had no backup had actually had an effect. But, none of the votes he made were on people who had any prior votes.

It would be a much bigger deal if he was jumping on a player that already had two or threee votes but, what he was doing was essentially joke voting, if joke voting is defined as a vote with a nonsensical reason behind it that isn't intended to kill.

That's not entirely true because everyone expects a mafia player to act like that. A smart mafia player will do something different.

If we were to find any of the people he voted for as mafia. He could say 'I'm not mafia or else why would I vote for them"?

If DiamondFalcon had just come out and defended him I would probably unvote him. At this point combined with his behavior and weak excuses I just don't feel I can unvote him and pretend this never happened.