Tournament Mode [1.1.0] Community Patch Notes

[Luig]

Because SDI.

 

[UberMadman]

Because SDI.

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that you can't SDI or Shield out of that.

And that still doesn't change the fact that the Miis are NOT the same, they've received quite a few buffs.

 

[Luig]

YOU CAN'T?!
I'm just gonna try not to get hit the whole time. Who does it work on?

 

[Schiffe]

This is completely balance un-related, but it's a game change (I suppose)

Something has been done to our lovely Wonder PInk trophy.

Can't confirm 100% what, but it may be texture changes

 

[UberMadman]

YOU CAN'T?!
I'm just gonna try not to get hit the whole time. Who does it work on?

It only seems to work with the smallest Swordfighter due to the least amount of endlag on Chakram, not sure who it does and does not work on though.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Welp, they still haven't fixed the upbs that take away the chars second jump if they still had it once they initiate the upb. Tink link greninja and pikachu all lose their second jump still. Maybe it is intentional? But why give this mechanic to the links? as if their recovery wasnt awful enough already...

 

[Luig]

And they still haven't fixed sonic's BSBS. If you use aerial spin dash or spin charge and land, if you jump out of it, even if you had your second jump when you use sd or sc, you lose it leading to many a self destruct.

Ike got buffed @leroyd64, Uair generally kills earlier now.

 

[Wablo]

Any word on Link and ZSS? Can't get to my 3DS atm.

 

[UberMadman]

does anyone know if Ike got buffed or nerf im new to this board so ill dont really understand what is the growth knocback or base knocked , and the dthrow thing... THnks!

Ike got a minor buff. All you need to know is that Up-air kills earlier and Downthrow works properly on Mr. Game and Watch.

 

[SUPER-FLAWLESS-9]

Hmmm... I did notice that luigi back air having electric too (DK has electric moves too). But I think Falco has the most. Can anyone confirm other characters having it?

 

[LancerStaff]

Can confirm Wizkick shield damage buff. When your character first recovers from a shieldbreak, their shield starts with 30 hp. Using the meteor hit of Wizkick (15% damage) on the shield, it'll instantly break, meaning it does 30 total damage to a shield now. Shield damage was changed from 10-15. This affects all types of Down-B.

I'm not totally positive on this one but it seems the Quake (the landing state from wizkick) doesn't shieldpoke as much, effectively giving Wizkick even more shield damage. I'm only hesitant to say this is confirmed because there was no hitbox change in the data which would've been obvious, but it may have been some other property being altered.

Aerial Wizkick + Quake is 40 shield damage

One last change I'm not certain on. Ganondorf's F-air is 100% safe on block when fastfallen (tested jumping Oos, dash grabs, needles, and tethers, all were blocked/dodged. Used training mode at 1/4 speed to test). While the higher damage should cause higher shieldstun, this seems pretty drastic to simply be a result of increased damage causing higher shieldstun, so could anyone test if Ganon's F-air has less landing lag?

Pit's Fsmash does 15% uncharged and yet it breaks newly regenerated shields. Smash 4 shields are just weird.

 

[RedBeefBaron]

Can anyone post some videos on new Lucas stuff? Like d tilt to grab and dtilt traps? I can't wait to get home and hit the lab with him, those changes look intense.

 

[Kaladin]

Pit's Fsmash does 15% uncharged and yet it breaks newly regenerated shields. Smash 4 shields are just weird.

Wait wait wait. So pit Fmash has properties like Ryu ftilt?

 

[Deleted member]

What are "Growth increases" to character attacks, specifically? Hitboxes? I'm referring to Mewtwo's patch notes here.

 

[BigBr0123]

They should've buffed jiggly and should've nerved luigi more by having his back air weaker and deal less damage and have his down B weaker. Also have his up smash have more cool down

 

[Deleted member]

Huh. My 3DS is on 1.0.0, so it's very possible this buff happened on an earlier patch. I was still under the impression neutral-aerial had 15 frames of landing before 1.1.0, and pre-Wii U landing lag reports had it at that too.

Toon Link main here. TL's nair has always been 12 feames since the game came out, I checked on it as soon as frame data was available for him and this patch is the first he's had any changes to frame data at all. Curious what's causing the difference in nair landing lag if nair really is still 12 frames.

 

[Luig]

Kbg means the kb increases more with damage.
Base kb is kb at 0%.

 

[Schiffe]

Any word on Link and ZSS? Can't get to my 3DS atm.

Link seems to have something different with his Up-B. Some properties have changed. What I noticed is that the coordinates of the hitbox are different.. and there's also something else that I cannot identify going with his Dash Grab and his Pivot Grab

What are "Growth increases" to character attacks, specifically? Hitboxes? I'm referring to Mewtwo's patch notes here.

The size of the hitbox/attack increased.

Never mind, They meant "KBG" by "Growth". Misunderstood. So the KBG increased, not the size

 

[LancerStaff]

Wait wait wait. So pit Fmash has properties like Ryu ftilt?

If it does, then so does most of Pit's moveset.

That's... Not right. Right?

 

[Luig]

@ BigBr0123 , sorry, Luigi got buffed.

Growth just means the knockback of an attack scales more with damage.

 

[Wozenbelt]

Has someone already recorded this? Marth's upair is great now. https://vine.co/v/eX2lqV6pUBJ

 

[Nocally]

Hmmm... I did notice that luigi back air having electric too (DK has electric moves too). But I think Falco has the most. Can anyone confirm other characters having it?

Pikachu has electric moves..........

 

[Vipermoon]

Has someone already recorded this? Marth's upair is great now. https://vine.co/v/eX2lqV6pUBJ

All of that worked and comboed with the old 16 frames of landing lag. edit: and that could've been a Fair after the Bair, no need to put yourself into free-fall and get rid of more follow-ups

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@ Schiffe I have a question on Marth's aerial DB while you're in this thread might as well ask someone who can find out. Does the extended timing for DB1, 2, and 3 also apply to aerial DB1? Aerial DB1 is pretty different and you would think they wouldn't do this (since using DB1 for recovery [which barely helps] would become a lot riskier with DB2 up suicides). Does it have the same input frames as DB1 ground or is it the old input frames still?

 

[Luig]

Luigi's back air does not use the electric effect, that is just a generic GFX that is used for almost every attack. True electric multiplies freeze frames by 1.5x and uses different SFX.

 

[LRodC]

Does anyone know how much Phantom Slash's lag was reduced?

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Hate to be that guy, but can anyone explain to me what the stars (★) and little red * mean in the table?

 

[GroundZero996]

Hate to be that guy, but can anyone explain to me what the stars (★) and little red * mean in the table?

I think the stars mean that they are finished with the notes for that fighter, and the * is like video proof of change or something? It's a link.

 

[Luig]

They forgot one of Sonic's changes: Fsmash has different SFX.

 

[TheWozny]

It's like they don't nerf the things that need to be nerfed...

 

[Schiffe]

I think it is safe to assume that every "strong" attacks now have a new Electric-like effect appearing when that attack connects.

Tested this on various attacks that do not have any visual effects (such as Sonic's FSmash, or Mr.Game and Watch's USmash) and the bolts appeared on most of them...

 

[UberMadman]

It's like they don't nerf the things that need to be nerfed...

What really needs nerfing at this point though? The only things I can think of off the top of my head that would be worth considering are Sheik's needles, Rosa's uair, Pika's HSB custom, Ness' Backthrow, and Luigi's downthrow. That's about it, 5 moves in the whole game.

 

[BJN39]

@ Shaya Round 2 on the specifics of Zelda's changes: Phantom and co.

Phantom Slash
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14.0 - 20.0 -> 10.0 - 20.0
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 20/9 -> 40/30
        x both 10.0 -> both 9.0 - 14.0 (stretchy hitbox)
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 25/12 -> 60/50
        x both 10.0 -> both 9.0 - 14.0 (stretchy hitbox)
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

Phantom Breaker
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14.0 - 20.0 -> 10.0 -20.0
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 20/9 -> 40/30
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 25/12 -> 60/50
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

Phantom Strike
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14-20 -> 10-20
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

Once again it can be summed up:

- Windbox position and wkb adjustments to all charge variations reducing the blindspot in front of Zelda by 80%.
- Position adjustments/increases on all attack variations' hitboxes, removing the on-Phantom blind-spots.


Mid and Max charge Phantom's hitboxes were originally not far in enough and could whiff if you were moving into the Phantom as it attacked. In addition I believe they were also done to make it work correctly with the windbox fixes.


The only remaining thing to be actually checked is the FAF of Phantom Slash, which IS altered, but no specific number has been found as of yet.

 

[Eureka]

What really needs nerfing at this point though? The only things I can think of off the top of my head that would be worth considering are Sheik's needles, Rosa's uair, Pika's HSB custom, Ness' Backthrow, and Luigi's downthrow. That's about it, 5 moves in the whole game.

And of all the things they pick Falcon's back air. It's not even like the up air change where you can kinda spin it as a buff, this is just a plain outright nerf. I'm almost convinced this is because of how well Caption Flacon does on For Glory, but even then it's still stupid because nerfing his back air isn't going to make stupid players not lose to Falcon. If they dare nerf the knee there will be riots.

 

[kenniky]

Hi there, I own the reddit thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3f8hvn/the_v110_patch_changelist/

Most of the stuff here I've extracted from the dantarion files so I think it's pretty reliable, if there are changes there that have not been noted yet feel free to test and include them.

On a side note, my reddit inbox is blown up now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unfortunately I'm currently unable to test anything myself as I'm without my games. However I can say that sourspot FSmash has always done 14%.

Thanks for clarifying. It does send the opponent further away now, doesn't it? It kills opponents earlier so I assume it's an increase in KGB. Somebody who can read the data should really clarify this. There's a lot of changes to G&W that are worth noticing - you can tell that after you've played the character post-patch.

 

[Wicks]

Wii Fit Trainer:

The soccer ball from Header stays in play longer/takes longer to disappear. (Longer waiting period before she can fire a new one)

 

[LordWilliam1234]

The only remaining thing to be actually checked is the FAF of Phantom Slash, which IS altered, but no specific number has been found as of yet.

Phantom Slash's total frames was reduced by 5 frames. Minimum charge total frames from 70 -> 65, max charge total frames from 178 -> 173.

 

[Luig]

It means the pre launch hitbox hits smasll characters now, it didn't before.

 

[Tubruh]

Down Air Meteor hitbox size increased 3.5u → 3.9u

So, does this mean that Ness has a better spike now?

 

[Luig]

It is easier to hit with now, the kb has not been changed though, so it still pretty much is ness's worst aerial.

However it now has actual use.