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Totally Normal Mafia [Game Over, Town and Independent Win]
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Err...kay? what for, exactly?
This is dumb. You guys are just more suspicious than others and we really need a fun wagon. Why does half the game feel the need to devote a one-liner post questioning me. You all OBVIOUSLY have me pegged. More content.
Florida as an addendum Omis and Rockin can take priority over you and if they're both Town we can go from there.
Florida as an addendum Omis and Rockin can take priority over you and if they're both Town we can go from there.
to be honest, I would one line anyone who said a similar quote as yours, especially if it was Tom, EE, and so forth. It's just my natural reaction in terms of that. And really, it was just so random, so I had to ask.
Sorry if it pissed you off, Marshy ^^;;
Actually I just realized Kevin's vote on Omis is the only other person actually using his vote which is real lame. But on the upside I can help him wagon.
Unvote: Rockin, Vote: Omis, FOS: Rockin
Unvote: Rockin, Vote: Omis, FOS: Rockin
Alright so, I went back and studied Marshy and KevinM...
The result surprised me.
Turns out, I'm not really all that suspicious of Marshy anymore. I kept reading and re-reading his posts and really started to get a feel for the emotion behind them. He's one bitter mother****er. The frustration is almost palpable.
Despite the fact that a lot of what Marshy has said and done in the past ingame day has been clearly much more pointed and impulsive than what we're used to seeing from him, I can honestly say I really think that he's just THAT desperate to get this game moving, and is just sick of inactives and people who can't express themselves clearly. It became fairly clear to me after reading his comments about how much better the game would be if they weren't around, and how killing them would be a "minimal loss." I used to think that way all the time when games I played in got stuck in a mire, and it fells much more like bitter townie than scum to me. Though I don't agree with methods, I don't see his intent as entirely scummy. Not for now anyway.
As I was looking back, I realized that I was more or less giving him guilt by association with KevinM. Whenever Kevin posted, Marshy always seemed to be right around the corner. The timing just felt strange to me, gave me some bad vibes. But yeah, I'm definitely not liking what Kevin is bringing to the table right now. Here are the posts that caught mu interest:
Vote: KevinM
I'd be very comfortable with lynching him, though I would certainly like to hear from him first.
mentos, we can leave discussion of your plan for a later time. I'm not too worried about it right now.
And Macman and Marshy, I've given you guys some material now. Quit it with the one liners, and other stupid unhelpful comments and show me what you've got. Macman, you can start with explaining your roles speculation that you so immaturely declined.
The result surprised me.
Turns out, I'm not really all that suspicious of Marshy anymore. I kept reading and re-reading his posts and really started to get a feel for the emotion behind them. He's one bitter mother****er. The frustration is almost palpable.
Despite the fact that a lot of what Marshy has said and done in the past ingame day has been clearly much more pointed and impulsive than what we're used to seeing from him, I can honestly say I really think that he's just THAT desperate to get this game moving, and is just sick of inactives and people who can't express themselves clearly. It became fairly clear to me after reading his comments about how much better the game would be if they weren't around, and how killing them would be a "minimal loss." I used to think that way all the time when games I played in got stuck in a mire, and it fells much more like bitter townie than scum to me. Though I don't agree with methods, I don't see his intent as entirely scummy. Not for now anyway.
As I was looking back, I realized that I was more or less giving him guilt by association with KevinM. Whenever Kevin posted, Marshy always seemed to be right around the corner. The timing just felt strange to me, gave me some bad vibes. But yeah, I'm definitely not liking what Kevin is bringing to the table right now. Here are the posts that caught mu interest:
He never says why not. He's trying to undermine a claim, or atleast trying to build dissenting momentum, but in a VERY non-committal manner. It seems as if he's trying to instigate major group dissent, but doesn't want to be seen as the source.
This post confused me. It seemed like he saw an opportunity amidst the Macman v Chaco babble to try and build a coalition with Marshy. Initially this is what made me connect the two, but now I almost feel like he wanted to encourage Marshy to build a case against macman, get some momentum going, and finally be free of implication if and when he (smashman) flipped town. Again, Kevin offers no insight as to why HE thinks smashman is suspicious. He is just constantly offering opinions at face value, and leaving the thread for a significant amount of time. This type of non-committal and coasting yet somewhat instigative (word?) playstyle gives me bad scum vibes.
Vote: KevinM
I'd be very comfortable with lynching him, though I would certainly like to hear from him first.
mentos, we can leave discussion of your plan for a later time. I'm not too worried about it right now.
And Macman and Marshy, I've given you guys some material now. Quit it with the one liners, and other stupid unhelpful comments and show me what you've got. Macman, you can start with explaining your roles speculation that you so immaturely declined.
I pretty much agree with your view on marshy lol.
I was clearly kidding about chaco's role.
I have some thoughts about what you've said and what has happened so far, but I'd rather keep them to myself for now.
I'll help pressure kevinM though. I'd like to hear from him. vote: kevinM
I was clearly kidding about chaco's role.
I have some thoughts about what you've said and what has happened so far, but I'd rather keep them to myself for now.
I'll help pressure kevinM though. I'd like to hear from him. vote: kevinM
Omis
my friends were skinny
Alright I finished reading the thread after much toil.
@Marshy
Look I understand your hate of inactives. Honestly they annoy me too. But Smash is replaced with me now. There is no need for the anger towards me as I fully intend to be active as I am nearly all games. Despite your anger
@KevinM
What is with you voting for me at the outset of everyday? I dont see what Smashman did too horrible aside from coasting like even you yourself did. Before I even came into the game you put a vote on me. I dont get this behavior; it just seems wreckless and wrong.
@Mac
Its day three, cut the crap. "I TINK DIS GAIZ IS PARANIOA COP HARDY DAR DAR?" "Explain would you?" "NAH I DUN FEEL LIEK IT?!??!?!" You are acting very aggravating with this joking then tantalizing us with information that for some reason you want to keep to yourself. Its like setting yourself a safeguard against accusations of not helping because you can simply say that you dont wish to share the info for whatever reason.
Guys this isnt kidding around time. If we mislynch now I'd say the game is almost in the bag for mafia. If you have something to say just say it.
@Marshy
Look I understand your hate of inactives. Honestly they annoy me too. But Smash is replaced with me now. There is no need for the anger towards me as I fully intend to be active as I am nearly all games. Despite your anger
This is not how you go about doing things. You dont randomly attack 3 people in an angry matter than get even more angry when people call you out for stating no reasons. Care to elaborate or do you just feel like acting more irate?
@KevinM
What is with you voting for me at the outset of everyday? I dont see what Smashman did too horrible aside from coasting like even you yourself did. Before I even came into the game you put a vote on me. I dont get this behavior; it just seems wreckless and wrong.
@Mac
Its day three, cut the crap. "I TINK DIS GAIZ IS PARANIOA COP HARDY DAR DAR?" "Explain would you?" "NAH I DUN FEEL LIEK IT?!??!?!" You are acting very aggravating with this joking then tantalizing us with information that for some reason you want to keep to yourself. Its like setting yourself a safeguard against accusations of not helping because you can simply say that you dont wish to share the info for whatever reason.
Guys this isnt kidding around time. If we mislynch now I'd say the game is almost in the bag for mafia. If you have something to say just say it.
Admittedly, when Kev DID post, there was more of his own substance than could be seen from smashman. Now that everyone is active though, we can get some solid discussion going and hopefully get something together.
Handorin
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Really, all these posts and none of them mentioned mine?
*shrug*
The reason I tried so hard to push for a Rockin lynch yesterday was because I watched him visit jungle the night he died.
As I mentioned earlier, I bread crumbed my role here:
*shrug*
The reason I tried so hard to push for a Rockin lynch yesterday was because I watched him visit jungle the night he died.
As I mentioned earlier, I bread crumbed my role here:
So yea. I'm one of those nosy wives in sitcoms that look out there windows and spy on people (aka watcher).
And he didn't speak up about it when asked. Down for a Rockinwagon? I sure am.
Unvote: Omis, Vote: Rockin
Unvote: Omis, Vote: Rockin
I agree with Hando, one way or another it's way too early to think of pushing for a lynch, so discussion is key
I'm telling you guys, Rockinwagon. Or omis.
Also, assuming Hando's a Town Watcher wouldn't that up the chances of a godfather since Rockin was presumably the only one seen visiting jungle? I'm not sure how the mafia being seen at someone's corpse is usually handled when it comes to modding.
Hando, why did you watch jungle?
Also, assuming Hando's a Town Watcher wouldn't that up the chances of a godfather since Rockin was presumably the only one seen visiting jungle? I'm not sure how the mafia being seen at someone's corpse is usually handled when it comes to modding.
Hando, why did you watch jungle?
I really wish you guys had just voted him. I mean, you see a guy traced to a corpse and I think the obvious Townie reaction would be to jump on that instead of being all "Let's talk it out" and then not actually talking about it. Bad Idea Mafia needs to happen soon.
And Omis. frozen probably is town because I think as mafia he'd stick to being suspicious of me and building a case, stingers breadcrumbed a role that's usually Town and wasn't very suspicious to begin with, and Hando, Kevin, and mentos have all been pretty tight. That leaves you three. Maaaaaybe frozen but probably not.
And maybe there's an indy floating around. Eh. I'm kinda hoping this is a straight Town vs. Mafia game like's been needed around here.
I'm aware the above is pretty dangerous but oh well! I can be swayed. Doubt I actually will be though.
And Omis. frozen probably is town because I think as mafia he'd stick to being suspicious of me and building a case, stingers breadcrumbed a role that's usually Town and wasn't very suspicious to begin with, and Hando, Kevin, and mentos have all been pretty tight. That leaves you three. Maaaaaybe frozen but probably not.
And maybe there's an indy floating around. Eh. I'm kinda hoping this is a straight Town vs. Mafia game like's been needed around here.
I'm aware the above is pretty dangerous but oh well! I can be swayed. Doubt I actually will be though.
vote: rockin
he has definitely been on. I was giving him time to respond but he clearly doesnt have anything to say or he needs to consult with his partners first.
and @omis: I'm clear, i can say whatever the **** i want. =D
he has definitely been on. I was giving him time to respond but he clearly doesnt have anything to say or he needs to consult with his partners first.
and @omis: I'm clear, i can say whatever the **** i want. =D
How very Townie of you Florida.
I think that's 3 on Rockin putting him at -2.
And of course no tunnel vision from me! I'd like to see Kevin's response to frozen's points too.
I think that's 3 on Rockin putting him at -2.
And of course no tunnel vision from me! I'd like to see Kevin's response to frozen's points too.
Sheesh Macman, can't you give me time to post? Hando posted that thing at aroun 12AM and only been two hours after when you posted. I would understand if like a day or two has went by and I was constantly seen checking the decisive games, but it hasn't even been 12 hours >>;;.
Anyway, about the thing with Jungle, I did visit him last night, but not to hurt him. I have this role called Friendly Neighbor, which I let the person I choose to know that well, I'm a real townie. Usually, you're suppose to tell the mod who you choose at night and they would get a PM the next day. However, for this game, instead of PMing, I walk over to them with a traditional neighborhood greeting (which is a piece of cherry Pie. Yum :3). I chose Junglefever cause he seemed to be townish from my prospective (aside from the reminders of Harry Potter to Marshy
).
Unfortunately, it didn't work and when I looked at the thread, I saw why. It was unsuccessful, and because of the fact that it's a one shot deal, I can't do the action on anyone else. That means I'm pretty much nightless throughout the rest of the game.
Anyway, about the thing with Jungle, I did visit him last night, but not to hurt him. I have this role called Friendly Neighbor, which I let the person I choose to know that well, I'm a real townie. Usually, you're suppose to tell the mod who you choose at night and they would get a PM the next day. However, for this game, instead of PMing, I walk over to them with a traditional neighborhood greeting (which is a piece of cherry Pie. Yum :3). I chose Junglefever cause he seemed to be townish from my prospective (aside from the reminders of Harry Potter to Marshy
). Unfortunately, it didn't work and when I looked at the thread, I saw why. It was unsuccessful, and because of the fact that it's a one shot deal, I can't do the action on anyone else. That means I'm pretty much nightless throughout the rest of the game.
Hmmmm, as I was reading the thread rockin was more a neutral in my book, maybe leaning a bit toward the scum side. It wasn't enough to make me suspect him over Marshy (initially) and KevinM.
But yeah, I could definitely see him being scum. I think I'll go back and give him a lookover again. I won't be voting for him now though at L-2.
But for one thing, I definitely do NOT believe his claim. It seems WAY too convenient. He just happened to select the mafia's target (a target he choose for a very whimsical reason allegedly) and his ability is conveniently a one shot deal, which allows him to explain away the issue we would have of having to prove that he has this ability by visiting people each night and having them confirm it.
It's all just way too convenient. I don't buy it. More thoughts later.
But yeah, I could definitely see him being scum. I think I'll go back and give him a lookover again. I won't be voting for him now though at L-2.
But for one thing, I definitely do NOT believe his claim. It seems WAY too convenient. He just happened to select the mafia's target (a target he choose for a very whimsical reason allegedly) and his ability is conveniently a one shot deal, which allows him to explain away the issue we would have of having to prove that he has this ability by visiting people each night and having them confirm it.
It's all just way too convenient. I don't buy it. More thoughts later.
100% agreed with frozen's above post.
Yeah Rockin can definitely die. 'Course there's no reason to end the Day with a little over a week left. Still thinking Omiswagon D4.
Yeah Rockin can definitely die. 'Course there's no reason to end the Day with a little over a week left. Still thinking Omiswagon D4.
I understand how it's hard to believe this, but also understand that it WAS N1. Many of such convience could happen. A cop could go on and investigate either the most or least likely suspect and that suspect could either be killed or the cop got roleblocked N1. As shown in spider-Mafia, a Mason could accidently misrecruit a said either Mafia member or a independent. Me trying using my ability on Junglefever, who has died on that same day would be no different.
You are mafia because you were online when Hando made the post AND was looking at the thread and chose not to respond. I don't care if it's metagaming but yea.
Rockin, more importantly if we are to believe Hando's watcher claim, you were the only one he saw visiting Jungle... That would imply that you killed him. I'll be honest, I don't want to bandwagon early into D3, which is why I haven't voted yet, but you basically just confirmed Hando and if Hando is real, you killed Jungle. You're at L-2, so I'll wait to hear from you again before I vote, but confirming a watcher claim when you're the only one visiting the death on a night, well, it kinda screams you're mafia.
There really is no reason to discuss this, Rockin is clearly mafia because how else would Jungle have died? Unless there is a killing role out there that doesn't show you as targeting the person you kill.
And even if Hando is lying, your role is now useless while his is important so, if it's between him or you, you are the much better choice for lynching. Also, it's not like its lylo/mylo, mafia making a claim like watcher now would be kind of dumb.
Also your role is too similar to Hando's flavor wise which makes me think its fake.
What everyone else has said.
We shouldn't hammer though until KevinM talks.
And do you guys think Hando should out his investigation for today? Tomorrow he may be dead and Town could lose that info. But I do suspect that there is a Doc, so... iono.
And even if Hando is lying, your role is now useless while his is important so, if it's between him or you, you are the much better choice for lynching. Also, it's not like its lylo/mylo, mafia making a claim like watcher now would be kind of dumb.
Also your role is too similar to Hando's flavor wise which makes me think its fake.
What everyone else has said.
We shouldn't hammer though until KevinM talks.
And do you guys think Hando should out his investigation for today? Tomorrow he may be dead and Town could lose that info. But I do suspect that there is a Doc, so... iono.
Mentos, why do you need to hear from Rocking again? What else could he possibly say?
Haha I just want to hear his response to the fact that he pretty much confirmed himself as mafia, I already know where my votes going to be, but I want to hear what he has to say. Besides, I want Kevin to be back for some point of this day, so it doesn't hurt to wait a while.
Macman do you wanna be lynched or something? I think Hando should decide whether or not to reveal his investigations.
Rockin who is your scumbuddy? Is it Omis like it was in TLI? He sounds exactly the same here.
Rockin who is your scumbuddy? Is it Omis like it was in TLI? He sounds exactly the same here.
I don't know what to say to you.
Maybe because I was multitasking on stuff to do? Understand, I have a life and while I may have saw the thread, that doesn't mean I could be doing something else whether it's computer related or not. Seriously, I hate when stuff like this is analyzed in a sensitive matter. It's like I can't do this and that without being told I was Mafia.
Just because a person visited a dead body will not ALWAYS mean they're mafia/indie, especially if that said personly only went one course. Now, if he had two courses to go to (meaning the said person roleblocked, then nked him), then it'd be totally different. If I could do the power again, I would've done it on someone else. Not sure how to prove my innocence. Maybe wait another night to pass, but that may seem too much to ask >>;;
Wow. are you serious? So you mean to tell me despite me being town, I'm useless and should be thrown?
I don't ****ing CARE right now if I get lynched or not. No matter what my turnout is, I'm going to be mad at you, Macman. You're pretty much saying that despite me being innocent with a burnt out role, I'm no longer needed. That's really terrible for you to say that. I bet if I was EE, Tom, Eor, or any few others you wouldn't say that. Seriously. I shouldn't have to tell that even a powerless townie is helpful no matter what and when their role all used up, they can still be helpful. I bet if I had a one shot vig role and mis shot someone (especially if they were importants), I bet you may want to throw me away too.
But see Rockin, Hando claimed a watcher, not a tracker. A watcher sees everyone who visits a person. If he watched Jungle, and you're the only one who visited him, you would HAVE to be the person who killed him, unless there is a role that is invisible to the watcher.
And to your comment to Mac, take it in context. Hando claims a power role. You also claim a PR but it has no uses left. Therefore, you're ROLE is useless, whereas Hando's is still useful. Given the information we have, if Hando is real, you're mafia. If you aren't mafia Hando is fake. Hence, we would take the role that now does nothing for the first lynch, in case the still use-able role is real. It would be the best strategy no matter what.
And to your comment to Mac, take it in context. Hando claims a power role. You also claim a PR but it has no uses left. Therefore, you're ROLE is useless, whereas Hando's is still useful. Given the information we have, if Hando is real, you're mafia. If you aren't mafia Hando is fake. Hence, we would take the role that now does nothing for the first lynch, in case the still use-able role is real. It would be the best strategy no matter what.
Well Macman Hando could end up outing a PR if he tells us his N2 investigation. I think it should only be used if he knows someone is innocent and needs to brush people off of them or if he has a guilty. But I understand your reaction.
Gotta agree the "Rockin didn't respond immediately" thing is ridiculous but whatever.
Then you can die. Also, who're your scum partner(s)?
Well, I definitely would.
Gotta agree the "Rockin didn't respond immediately" thing is ridiculous but whatever.
I just think that if you were town, and saw that, you would have responded immediately. The fact that you waited made it seem like you had to think up a role.
Also, you aren't getting the fact that you were also the only one to visit the dead body. How else would he have died if it weren't for you.
I was saying that it would be between you and hando. But since he is a watcher, and you are a townie, that it would make sense to lynch the one that has no power. Since if we lynched wrong we wouldn't be losing a powerrole and it wouldnt be as bad as lynching Hando and being wrong since we would have lost the watcher. I never said anything like you are no longer needed, or you couldn't be helpful. I never referenced your skill as a player and i don't know why you would think that i was alluding to that. I would have said the same about anyone else in this same situation. It's just that since you are easily the best candidate for lynch [backed by a watcher report] I have no qualms with lynching you.
I just realized that that point was invalid, since you already agreed that hando is what he claims to be, because you admitted to visiting Jungle so there would be no reason at all to consider lynching handorin.
Also, you aren't getting the fact that you were also the only one to visit the dead body. How else would he have died if it weren't for you.
I was saying that it would be between you and hando. But since he is a watcher, and you are a townie, that it would make sense to lynch the one that has no power. Since if we lynched wrong we wouldn't be losing a powerrole and it wouldnt be as bad as lynching Hando and being wrong since we would have lost the watcher. I never said anything like you are no longer needed, or you couldn't be helpful. I never referenced your skill as a player and i don't know why you would think that i was alluding to that. I would have said the same about anyone else in this same situation. It's just that since you are easily the best candidate for lynch [backed by a watcher report] I have no qualms with lynching you.
I just realized that that point was invalid, since you already agreed that hando is what he claims to be, because you admitted to visiting Jungle so there would be no reason at all to consider lynching handorin.
REGARDLESS. stuff happens from time to time. If it was past 6 hours or so, then I'd understand. Really, I take my time in a lot of things, so therefore I don't really try to rush things off.
anyway, back to the game. Usually, if you were to see, I'm assuming you would see one or more of the mafias. There could be the fact that well, the game for Mafs is set up like the one in Spider mafia, where Mafia had to choose who would personally make the kill. For all we know, the one that was sent to do the kill was a godfather. It's about the most likely scenario I can think of
I believe I remember asking Handorin, when I was Mafia, if the godfather would get detected by a tracker if he were to make the kill, and Hando said no. I think this applies for watchers in this game as well.
Really, I don't think you should lynch neither me or Hando (obvious reasons for Hando).
Unvote: Rockin
He's back at -2.
Hando, why did you watch jungle?
A vote count would also be pretty nice.
He's back at -2.
Hando, why did you watch jungle?
A vote count would also be pretty nice.
Handorin
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Since it was N1, it was just kinda random. I had no 100% clears to watch, so I just watched someone that was in the middle of general consensus radar.
Since we basically have a confirmed on Rockin can we please pressure Omis a little bit, I'm sticking with my guns on this one.
If there's a vig, kill Omis toNight.
Why is Rockin still alive? Kevin's responded, so someone place a vote.