Tier List Speculation

[DrinkingFood]

I usually find that players that complain about CC a lot usually suck the most at beating it

 

[Journal]

God please remove everything to do with the camera on dins. It's such an unnecessary mechanic.

It may be dumb, but it's not totally unnecessary. One of our Zelda players, Romance, will place his Din's Fire as far away as possible, which allows him to mix up his teleports so you don't know if he's going somewhere else or teleporting in place.

 

[4tlas]

It may be dumb, but it's not totally unnecessary. One of our Zelda players, Romance, will place his Din's Fire as far away as possible, which allows him to mix up his teleports so you don't know if he's going somewhere else or teleporting in place.

This was the ONE thing I liked about the Dins camera crap. The better plan would just be to have the camera treat Zelda as remaining in her starting location for as long as she is invisible and get rid of following Dins altogether.

 

[Rachman]

Well I've never really had a problem with cc nor have I ever extensively used it (CC grab on badly spaced moves and asdi down on platform tech chases to get out). It's just one more defensive mechanic and it actually happens to favor heavy characters (although their moves tend to be slower so ironically less applicable). I don't understand the hatred of it, it's like hating on powershielding imo

 

[steelguttey]

its like no matter how many cool topics we talk about we always end up talking about fox or ****ing crouch cancelling smh

 

[AuraMaudeGone]

Why can't Din's just be a normal fireball?
Life would be too easy then, huh?

 

[TheGravyTrain]

I would say asdi down is way more prevelant then true cc, which weight isn't very big of a deal.

 

[NW_Gump]

The hype thing to do with Zelda is to do the orbiting dins, so why doesn't Side B just activate an auto-orbiting dins. You can control it while you're setting it out, and once it's placed it can be detonated like now, but instead of sitting still, it circles zelda slowly. The further out, the bigger the orbit. This would give her good stage control (which she's supposed to have as a zoning character), but ultimately it would give her an interesting pressure tool. It would only do like 2-3% tops during it's orbit so it wouldn't be viable to just play keep away all game. random thought that would probably end up broken or super ****ty

 

[Seagull Joe]

My current tier list opinions of 3.6b (Characters not ordered within tiers):
S:
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:

and are actually stupidly broken this patch. Godlike recovery, easy access combos, easy to land kill moves, and extremely quick aerials.

 

[DrinkingFood]

I hope that's a joke

 

[Seagull Joe]

I hope that's a joke

Why would I joke o_O? My list is solid.

You could just call A tier fire emblem tier, B tier melee characters and , and F tier pokemon tier. It's honestly factual at this point in time. I remember when brawl had the three worst as , , and and made triforce tier.

 

[4tlas]

They hype thing to do with Zelda is to somehow win with her limited toolset. Everything she has is cool and useful in some niche way, so maximizing her effectiveness is a work of art. Zelda's base toolset is pretty appropriate thematically and meshes together well, so a complete redesign is probably out of the question. I also don't mind her being low on the cast and don't think she requires buffs, but I just want a few cool changes like the old super sweetspots and transform to be quicker. Is there some reason why the data for both characters can't just be stored in one set of Sheilda fighter files? I assume there is, and if its because of having to load 2 separate models then I'm really sad because I can totally imagine that never being fixable =(

 

[Saproling]

One thing I love about this thread is that the minute someone tries to say that a character they don't play has some good in them or might be something higher than mid tier, every main of that character comes out and describes every single bad thing about their character in detail and how they are probably terrible. Not a bad thing just something that's kind of funny.

I tell people all the time they underrate Ivy.

 

[TheGravyTrain]

Honestly that list looks like its just taking groups of characters and putting them in the same tier. "Um, all pokemon suck, so lets put them in a tier together. Eh, melee characters are pretty solid, lets put them in that tier, etc...". I disagree with Ness/G&W. I mean sure, advocate for them being higher then most people put them, but to just out of the blue put them at the top without any results and going against what every high level player of the character is just stupid. But hey, its a tier list nonetheless. A reminder that everyone that isn't a regular that comes in always complains about how every list (but Lunchables for some reason) gets torn apart and then we go back to complaining about fox.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Honestly that list looks like its just taking groups of characters and putting them in the same tier. "Um, all pokemon suck, so lets put them in a tier together. Eh, melee characters are pretty solid, lets put them in that tier, etc...". I disagree with Ness/G&W. I mean sure, advocate for them being higher then most people put them, but to just out of the blue put them at the top without any results and going against what every high level player of the character is just stupid. But hey, its a tier list nonetheless. A reminder that everyone that isn't a regular that comes in always complains about how every list (but Lunchables for some reason) gets torn apart and then we go back to complaining about fox.

Those melee characters are great, but not as good as fire emblem ones. Pokemon just suck outside of . My list is hella solid.

Edit: Boiko just won a tourney Sunday and StereoKIDD wins EVERYTHING in Florida. is busted. You're blinded. It's ok...

Edit 2: Reslived beat Hat and Plank in 3.6. shouldn't lose to .

 

[UnsuspectingVillager]

G&W + Ness S tier? FE's A...
I..I don't understand.

 

[steelguttey]

on this very obvious note, if you use sarcasm on the internet you make yourself look like an ass because its so ****ing hard to understand and makes a fool out of everyone for no reason

 

[dirtboy345]

Yoooo I guess I'm confirmed for playing the worst character in the game

 

[thechosenjuan]

I've seen some bad tier lists in my day, but this one takes the cake.

 

[steelguttey]

why do i have to clarify this

HES JOKING

 

[TheGravyTrain]

why do i have to clarify this

HES JOKING

Jokes are funny though...

Also, you said it yourself, joking on the internet and expecting people to get it is stupid. It may be obvious that your are joking, but there are really that stupid of people out there that have "wrong opinions" or whatever.

 

[DrinkingFood]

I literally asked him and he literally said his list is solid
not literally solid, but he literally said it figuratively

 

[InfinityCollision]

Nahhhh Joe would never joke with us, that's crazy.

Yoooo I guess I'm confirmed for playing the worst character in the game

Toon Link Squirtle is bottom 5 guys really

 

[Soft Serve]

If you guys are getting bopped by cc just play diddy, grab combos+command grab+projectile+fsmash all beat CC.

Only thing I agree with on that list is diddy's placement Lol. Ness/gnw are both super good but not S tier by themselves >.>

 

[Rᴏb]

Edit 2: Reslived beat Hat and Plank in 3.6. shouldn't lose to .

is this some roundabout way to get us to say that reslived is actually decent?
cuz that's a funnier joke than the list you posted

 

[reslived]

is this some roundabout way to get us to say that reslived is actually decent?
cuz that's a funnier joke than the list you posted

well i mean now you've just hurt my feelings.

 

[UnsuspectingVillager]

Those melee characters are great, but not as good as fire emblem ones. Pokemon just suck outside of . My list is hella solid.

Edit: Boiko just won a tourney Sunday and StereoKIDD wins EVERYTHING in Florida. is busted. You're blinded. It's ok...

Edit 2: Reslived beat Hat and Plank in 3.6. shouldn't lose to .

A few questions:

1) Are you basing your placing of Ness in S tier off of Boiko winning a few locals? I mean no offense to the dude, but I wouldn't consider taking a few locals to be an excuse to put Ness up in S.

2) Not trying to sound main biased, but why is Lucas in C? I'd figure he'd be in mid B? PinkFresh places pretty good with him. If we're basing our putting of Ness in S off of Boikos taking some locals, then why are we excluding PF's victories?

Just curious. Hope I'm not missing anything.

 

[steelguttey]

Hope I'm not missing anything.

youre missing the part where hes joking

 

[Leafeon]

My list is hella solid. is busted.

You're blinded. It's ok...

lol

 

[Searing_Sorrow]

Joke tier is a joke, while there is humor in playing along, can we please move on to something else. Also outside of dair and grab, diddy doesn't really beat cc. No one is ccing when they see the banana in your hand, and f smash like all his smash attacks get eaten pretty easily.

 

[UnsuspectingVillager]

youre missing the part where hes joking

Why would I joke o_O? My list is solid.

 

[steelguttey]

life tip: when someone says they arent joking it still doesnt mean they arent joking alot of the time

 

[Ripple]

I don't think you actually know who seagull is...

 

[steelguttey]

ok lets this dumb **** back on topic because strong bad is chillin in this thread and im not tryna get an infraction

@ Ripple is the icemode thing to prove a point or do you actually believe its superior

 

[UnsuspectingVillager]

I don't think you actually know who seagull is...

Me?

 

[Strong Badam]

ok lets this dumb **** back on topic because strong bad is chillin in this thread and im not tryna get an infraction

Would probably be a good idea for all of y'all :^)

 

[Ripple]

@ Ripple is the icemode thing to prove a point or do you actually believe its superior

its simply playstyle preference. I can play it similar to how I played DDD

 

[jtm94]

I don't think that's possible, Samus isn't a penguin. I do see how she can survive arctic climates in her suit though.

ROB is still good as expected. I thought the fall gravity changes would have done more and ruin the character, but they didn't and I'm glad. SideB is silly bad now, but I fully am behind the idea that every move should not have extreme utility. I was glad @ DrinkingFood could beat Sethlon. It's always good to see regions stepping up.

Has ProPro been doing work across the water still? I feel like I don't get to see much from over there, but maybe I'm just not looking for it.

 

[Fortress]

^ Woah, really? Good on you, @ DrinkingFood

 

[steelguttey]

can we talk about the buffs that snake got? i think hes hit the design goal that he was set in 3.0 tbh