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where would you put them?Yeaaah, Squirtle in Low Tier? Lucario in Mid while Ivy is High? Bowser for Top? Ugh...
Does everyone dislike Ivy and ZSS so much? Squirtle only in Mid? Marth, Peach, and Mario are so high..... Lolz, the only tier that makes any sense to me is High Tier. I agree that every char in that tier belongs there.You could always just look at my own tier list...
He got decent range on his Usmash, Fair and Bair (+ his Bair beeing disjointed). He also has Speed and Shell Armor to make up for the lack of range.
Oh sorry. I guess I didn't specify well enough.
No, but you still always seem to make out that marth was surpassed by all these new characters because he didn't get any buffs, when he really didn't need much to begin with.
I don't--I think that 2.1 Wario was terrible. Almost everything on Wario's moveset was improved in one way or another. Now that a lot of stuff has gone from "situational gimmick" to "reliable mix-up" and his range/hitbox issues were improved, he's probably somewhere between Mid and High. He still has noticeable problems with opponents who refuse to approach, but at least he has stronger, safer options to mitigate it now, and he's quite strong against most opponents who have to go in to deal damage. Long-lasting hitboxes, momentum-based combos that can go on for days, and a ridiculous edgeguarding game go a long way.
That's kinda unfair. Some of us don't have the ability to put out videos and when we finally get some matches recorded, they don't ever get put up.
which is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.
Might want to ask around and see if anyone else has a laptop they can get to work with it.
:O I have been mentioned :O
, I do feel a lot of people are sleeping on Snake, but it doesn't bother me too much because I don't think his metagame is universally developed.
Squirtle has just as much range as Jiggs does, if not more. His bair outranges Puff's, and it also has more disjoint. Besides, Squirt has two projectiles plus crazy mobility. His grab range is technically larger than half the cast's because of hydroplaning. Range seriously shouldn't be an issue. I'm surprised that Jiggs got into Top Tier, partly because I feel her range IS an issue against the P:M cast.
No, no, I'm pretty sure that Reflex's accomplishments have done a great deal towards reforming people's opinions of Wario. Him just not being in Bottom Tier after such a short time is actually improvement enough. In my own personal list, I rose him quite a bit after viewing Reflex's Wario and playing against Iota's for a time. He's solidly Mid Tier in mine. Future rises (on everyone's lists) will come with time.
Well actually, you know, it could just mean that a lot of people consistently think that Marth is worse than Falco and Sheik but better than everyone else. Heck, it COULD just be that most people simple placed him at 4th in their personal tier lists. You never know with these things until you actually go and check the data. I actually doubt that more than a quarter of us really thinks that Marth is better than Sheik or Falco or even Peach.
Well in Melee, he simply always was. Look at the MUs. Marth has even MUs with both spacees and with Falcon, he arguably goes even with Jiggs, and he pretty much destroys Doc and Samus. Peach, on the other hand, solidly loses to all of Top and High Tier, including Falcon, who's below her, and she arguably goes even with Samus (although I won't believe THAT crap).
I think this is my first time hearing this one. Terrible recovery? What about extreme floatiness, Brawl tornado, Brawl upB, heavily buffed sideB mechanics (and it's MORE than just the misfire, people), and great aerials to cover himself screams "terrible recovery" at you?
I don't think Luigi is 'low' because he's a 'bad' character. I think he's 'low' because there are chars better than him and even so, I have him at Mid.
And I may do that, I just haven't made it much of a priority.
This is how I feel about Wario, and Snake actually. I think Snake is a really really strong character.:O I have been mentioned :O
And thank you for the compliment
When I mean terrible recovery, I mean easily predictable/gimp-able it is. Luigi doesn't have very good aerial mobility, so his extreme floatiness doesn't exactly help vary his recovery. Both the Brawl tornado and Brawl Up-b only really help vertically and even if it does launch him towards the stage ever so slightly, it's still easily punishable. Not to mention that its really punishable upon landing if you miss the edge. The green missile is still as punishable as it was before. Sweetspotting the ledge certainly helps, but anyone good enough at edgeguarding can easily find a way around this. Maybe saying terrible is a little bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's good by any means. Imo, he's outshined in a lot of places.I think this is my first time hearing this one. Terrible recovery? What about extreme floatiness, Brawl tornado, Brawl upB, heavily buffed sideB mechanics (and it's MORE than just the misfire, people), and great aerials to cover himself screams "terrible recovery" at you?
I'm a Luigi main, but I have to ask, when did he have?!
It certainly didn't stop Fox, Falco, or Sheik from doing their thing.
