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). Example: Sheik. Needle him, bair him, force him to use up his meager three midair jumps (which he'll probably have used up offstage anyway if he was knocked away a decent distance 'cause his aerial mobility kinda sucks), and then nair above where he has to upB. I've done it to Guru, I've done it to 9k, and I've done it to my personal friends whenever they play DDD, and I've done it with more chars than just Sheik. Mario, Lucario, they all do the job pretty well. If DDD can't make it up to or past the ledge, then he can't recover. If he's knocked a decent enough distance away from the stage without his jumps, then he's dead. Personally, my friends and I think he needs some form of armor on his upB like he had in vBrawl (he had SA then, on top of an additional jump) because this problem is so bad.
QFT.
Extremely good at gimping (especially against fast fallers), great horizontal recovery, great Oos options, great kill power (and good combos), good grab game (including koopa claw), has flame cancelling that can stop approach, has super armor, generally difficult to edgeguard imo, and he completely destroys everybody in smaller stages. He might not be seventh, but he's definitely top tier.
I don't think he's a bad character, I just think generally a lot more characters have better tools than he has. Admittedly I don't main Squirtle nor have I seen top level play of him, so that might have something to do with it. Again, he's not bad. Technically, I still put him in mid-tier.
He's not terrible, but he isn't very good either. If someone is willing to prove me otherwise...
I'm pretty sure everybody who's ever used him feels this way.
He takes a lot of practice, but anyone who wants to press that many buttons find themselves gravitating to the original space animals.
. I don't think he is quite that high though, but it would be awesome if he is. I also think Wario needs to be pushed up quite a bit in your list.
I want to get some of whatever you are smoking.
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I'd say it has mostly to do with the amount of time practising against high tier matchups. With the lack of widespread results at this point it's hard to establish any kind of general placement, so the variety of lists really supports the individual's strongest toons. My squirtle is hardly refined to the level of my sheik or bowser, but as I'm learning to control him a lot more, the level of janks has really proven effective in a lot of situations. I die in a lot of silly ways, but that has everything more to do with poor execution than squirtle being bad.
Insufficient data implies that I don't know enough about them to place them anywhere appropriately. I might as well just put D3, Sonic, and G&W in the "I really hate them and no one I know plays them at all ever" tier. I am basing this off of personal experience, which unfortunately is based off of the results of only a few consistent opponents for the time being, we are just pretty adept gamers with a solid base of game experience experimenting with the cast in order to find who really suits our respective playstyles.Translucent said:
