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Tier List Speculation
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Oro?!
Smash Hero
Victory was his destiny. Ivy why? 
ivy pls
pls
pls
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
I think Ivy has a good matchup against MK.
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What tournament are you talking about DMG?
Archangel
Smash Hero
I think the range gets MK in trouble. Metaknights style and overall design just doesn't work well against Ivy. You can't juggle to kill her, she's not easily gimped, You end up just having to try and outplay Ivy and land a random power blow which is a pretty desperate way to play.
a lot of MK/lame char matchups end up like that. it's why I'm trying to work w/ a pocket D3, because I can't be arsed to deal with MK-jiggs and the like
The Tyler one, you saw the livestream at the same time I did. Denti won Grand Finals with him right?
MK's playstyle is OK vs Ivy imo, just gotta be spot on with shield approaches. Dash into insta shield is pretty good vs her specifically if she ever jumps (and with good timing can deal with razor leaf if you PS), idk why more people don't use that in general. Being able to start a dash and cancel into shield is borderline amazing, especially since you can also do it out of a DD faster than God. Running spotdodge for her Bair might also be useful if your character has a decent one (don't try this with Bowser or DK lol). Heck at low %, anyone tried CCing the first hit of Bair and then shielding? For her other moves sans Fair, it seems like a bad idea/too hard to CC and punish.
Ivy is weird. She is annoying, but I don't think people are fully exploiting the tiny things against her. Like when people complain about razor leaf into grab: I've gotten free punishes on people going for that by SDIing/DIing away with the leaf on purpose so that she loses literally every follow up I can think of at that point. Sure, I eat the leaf pretty gnarly, but I'd rather not get grabbed/combo'd either. I wonder if people will find lame SDI/DI choices for other multi hit moves like DIing through or above Nair and Ftilt. Besides avoiding certain Solar Beam setups, DI away seems like the best option 90% of the time against her and tends to stop janky stuff like Bair to Nair or Triple Fair. Sure that tends to put you further away from a pretty campy/wally character, but I think it would be better to slowly eat damage and avoid a lot of death opportunities, than let a character also freestyle combo your face in while remaining a potent camper. Because Ivy being able to combo 30-40% or more and possibly get kill setups off a random hit, seems more frightening than having to sit there and deal with tilt bair leaf etc.
Vs characters like her and Zelda, even though it sounds a bit counter intuitive, I'd rather have neutral game reset over and over and find safer ways to approach/avoid the big damage, than risk getting combo'd and ded. Vs characters like that, eating 7-10% from non kill moves and having the opportunity to "try, try again" seems like the best bet if you have a capable character. If I'm Bowser or someone bigger and slower, sure I probably wouldn't want to reset over and over and over and you will probably have to risk eating big damage naturally or literally get camped to death, but if I'm a Spacie/Marth/Sheik/etc, I'd want to use my ground mobility or general positioning to find ways to get closer and pick opportune times to go in. And if things don't work out, then back up/DI the world away from that beastly plant and get out.
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...No... Denti didn't win grand finals, are you drunk?
Denti beat Infinity in Losers Finals, and Infinity complained that metaknight is a bad character blah blah johns
Then Denti played Dakpo and lost. Denti got 2nd, not first. >.> Get your facts right.
Denti beat Infinity in Losers Finals, and Infinity complained that metaknight is a bad character blah blah johns
Then Denti played Dakpo and lost. Denti got 2nd, not first. >.> Get your facts right.
They said on stream that was GF's of PM! They didn't show him playing Dakpo, and they said Denti was holding up low tier doubles and they started immediately after that set, so I figured that was it?
Excuse me for getting one placing wrong, sometimes you're the worst jesus. Now I know why Infinity didn't want to say anything to you over stream.
Excuse me for getting one placing wrong, sometimes you're the worst jesus. Now I know why Infinity didn't want to say anything to you over stream.
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Sorry for coming off harsh, but on the livestream they annoucned "Were going to do low tier dubs right now since we need to get it going but later we have to do P:M grand finals". I thought it was pretty obvious...
Heres a link to the stream, http://www.twitch.tv/totes_magotes_live/b/463998135 Go to 3:49:00 they do P:M Grand Finals.
Heres a link to the stream, http://www.twitch.tv/totes_magotes_live/b/463998135 Go to 3:49:00 they do P:M Grand Finals.
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I'll admit tho some of the mk johns are real because MK vs. Ivy sounds like MK would be walled out pretty hard and iirc he has pretty much no priority. The only way to hit out razor lead would be like dash attack...
I think he took 1 game though so Denti prolly just adapted.
I think he took 1 game though so Denti prolly just adapted.
Oro?!
Smash Hero
I beat Reflex's Ivy with MK. What a bad matchup we both think MK wins!
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ye I'd definitely rather go Wario against a good MK.
I... can't even pretend to know the matchups. I just don't like MK/jiggs really. that is my single MU opinion.
actually no it's that and also "uair/falcon is 10-0"
actually no it's that and also "uair/falcon is 10-0"
Oro, go back to ZSS you're scaring me. All I'm reading is "I body bag kids grown ass men with MK".
Also, it's a holy and scientific fact that you will win if you pick Wario. On the 7th day, God created *that* before he rested.
Also, it's a holy and scientific fact that you will win if you pick Wario. On the 7th day, God created *that* before he rested.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
People have been placing Wario pretty high on their lists lately, haven't they? He's so much fun and there's nothing I like more than getting inside people's head.
SwordsRbroken
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wario ain't keeping marth company in low tier anymore
Oro?!
Smash Hero
So Ness does well against Ivy?
Archangel
Smash Hero
Agreed. Unfortunately for Puff and Wario more Marth/Fox/Falco/Young Link-ish characters are in this game now. With that said Wario is still very good. I haven't seen alot of puff I'll assume that puff is still good.
HyperrCrow
Emotional Reality
Sheik definitely has an advantage over Ivy.Not sure, possibly. Sheik though.
Gotta learn how to outplay those Sheik players that wall me so bad.
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i'd say wario's a lot more interesting than puff. you can combo him and his recovery & ledge options actually allow the opponent to do things. obviously he's got other things that are better than puffs (his combo game is absolutely disgusting <3) but most of that stuff people don't tend to mind.
Archangel
Smash Hero
Yeah, I have more fun playing Vs Wario than I do vs Puff but Aside from all you mentioned I'm pretty sure the main reason is because he only jumps 2 times. Imagine if he had 5? RAGE-QUIT PM
HyperrCrow
Emotional Reality
Wario is just more fun to play with/against. There's so much he can do, whereas puff is too stale imo. Playing against her is just a drag, most puffs just tend to Bair and Pound their way through matches and throw in that occasional rest when they get a hard read.
Might just be me, I dislike puff a lot.
Might just be me, I dislike puff a lot.
I like that Wario only gets to Rest every one and a halfish minutes or so.
Wait, actually let's just have no cooldown wafts. Yeah. Let's do it.
Wait, actually let's just have no cooldown wafts. Yeah. Let's do it.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
i actually don't like that wario gets to rest every one and a half-ish minutes because i can already die to a plethora of things that he already does, which is not nearly the same as puff.
also, have i mentioned how much wario's weight physically disturbs me? pmbr make it so he can't CC my options and dtilt or jab me at 50% into a combo pls.
no but seriously, please make this ************ lighter this is ridiculous
also, have i mentioned how much wario's weight physically disturbs me? pmbr make it so he can't CC my options and dtilt or jab me at 50% into a combo pls.
no but seriously, please make this ************ lighter this is ridiculous
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
CC -> Back dat ass up 2strong
Oh my god I love Wario's Dtilt so much it's like my favorite move of his
Oh my god I love Wario's Dtilt so much it's like my favorite move of his
Paradoxium
Smash Master
Um, have you taken the time to actually look at Wario? Hell, half the cast looks lighter than his fatass, and on top of that he's ugly as ****. His weight is pretty fitting if you ask me.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I have been up close and personal with Wario for far longer than I should be in this game. His weight is ****ing ridiculous.
So the secret to beating everyone is to learn how to play Wario. brb
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Yeah Wario's clearly broken. 
I don't like how Wario suffers from Stubby Arm Syndrome. SAS is simply too much of a weakness.
I think he should have DK arms and hands.
pls
I think he should have DK arms and hands.
pls
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
*proceeds to bounce around the entire cast until finally using a non-broken character*
*cough spacies cough*
*cough spacies cough*