Tier List Speculation

[KayB]

Sonic does have fair and his spring to gimp but it's not like he has trouble killing. But thats just me.
Fox has shine for gimps and upsmash. Don't you think thats overdoing it?

I thought the unwritten rule was to never reference he-who-must-not-be-named.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I thought the unwritten rule was to never reference he-who-must-not-be-named.

If you say his name, he'll send his band of arwing piloting mercenaries after you, like the muggle buggerer that you are.

 

[Archangel]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a crap about fox? Maybe he's overall still the best in the game but...after 12 years of dealing with Fox I kinda don't care about fighting him. He's hard to beat in melee. I find him easier to beat in PM considering...buffs all around?

 

[Ace55]

Well I was firmly in the 'leave spacies alone' camp. Because like you say, they're much less of a threat with the buffed cast.

However I ended up really liking the laser nerf they gave them. Since they are both the epitome of offensively capable chars cutting down their reward for camping was a great idea.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Eli's signature.

That is all.

 

[KayB]

So I played Sonic for the first time in PM today.



Low tier my @ss.

 

[Archangel]

Low tier is basically an over reaction to him no longer being S-tier. IDK where he'll end up overall in the end. I do think he's alot closer to the bottom end then he was initially.

 

[Scythe]

I still don't like playing against that character lol

 

[Archangel]

He's the fastest thing alive. So that will be annoying. Especially if you are a slow character with slow attacks.


Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3o1EKf1Udg

Reasons why I've been placing Lucas higher and higher. The more I play him the better I see him as a character but this dudes on another level. Highest I've seen thus far.

 

[Nguz95]

He's the fastest thing alive. So that will be annoying. Especially if you are a slow character with slow attacks.


Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3o1EKf1Udg

Reasons why I've been placing Lucas higher and higher. The more I play him the better I see him as a character but this dudes on another level. Highest I've seen thus far.

That's pretty crazy. definitely a high level lucas. I feel like Calabrel is pretty incredible too. you should watch some of his stuff.

 

[Oro?!]

I will withhold judgement until I play these Lucas players. Oracle is the best I have played against thus far.

 

[trash?]

if it helps your opinion-having, hammertime knocked mango out of winners at impulse '13 (and then proceeded to lose to mango in losers, but yeah)

 

[Oracle]

YEEAAAAAH ORO STAMP OF APPROVAL

 

[Archangel]

Oracle is also pretty good. Different kinda good but good also. Like the difference between Silent Wolf's Fox and DJ Nintendo's. Both can have the same level of success while playing totally different from what I've seen so far. I've seen the same thing out of Lucas. With that said he's not Fox/Falco. At least not as of right now he doesn't 100% dominate the neutral position the way spacies do. Still, he's got the right combination of everything else to climb higher and higher as time goes on. As of this current build I can see Lucas Capping out somewhere in S.

 

[trash?]

I'd wait on that. mostly, there's ALWAYS been real good lucas players, but just recently we've seen them doing huge chunks of damage, and even then, I'm pretttty sure luigi actually has more tournament success than lucas, from the tournaments I've seen

 

[Nguz95]

I'd wait on that. mostly, there's ALWAYS been real good lucas players, but just recently we've seen them doing huge chunks of damage, and even then, I'm pretttty sure luigi actually has more tournament success than lucas, from the tournaments I've seen

Well Luigi is too strong, we all know that.

In all seriousness, I think Lucas's recovery and his pk freeze are just not good enough to make him Spacie material. He's good, but I think a lot of his best stuff is more flash than anything.

 

[Archangel]

His PK freeze is too slow and doesn't go far enough at times it seems. His Recovery is better if you use the Down-B stall/Tether. His upB is kinda upBAD.

 

[Lukingordex]

Lucas didn't had much success on 2.5 because his moveset wasn't very useful against some characters...

But with the buffs he received on 2.6,specially his aerials,your guys are wrong if you think you'll don't need any MU experience to face one.

 

[Oro?!]

DJ Nintendo is as good as SW?

 

[Scythe]

lol when i read his post i was like umm what?

 

[Archangel]

DJ Nintendo is as good as SW?

DJN has got pretty good lately. Gone back and forward with players like M2K. Beat players like Hax(not an easy task).

Silent wolf has always been highly technical and pretty good. DJN is technical enough but mostly just lasers and waits for a chance to punish people when they rush in.

I was comparing the differences in mentality.

Hammertime = Technical Flashy Lucas.

Oracle = Technical enough but mostly tries to outsmart and out play the person next to him on the most basic level.


As for the changes to lucas....I admit at first I didn't like the changes but...When I realized Down-B-WD-Bair spiked so many people I was like O_____O I love this!

 

[SpiderMad]

You got them confused, besides the point that Naerok is the best Lucas for being ahead of his time

 

[Rat]

It's nice to be able to access the boards again.

 

[Hylian]

There are plenty of good lucas players and they all play very differently, great character.

 

[Oro?!]

DJN has got pretty good lately. Gone back and forward with players like M2K. Beat players like Hax(not an easy task).

Silent wolf has always been highly technical and pretty good. DJN is technical enough but mostly just lasers and waits for a chance to punish people when they rush in.

I was comparing the differences in mentality.

Hammertime = Technical Flashy Lucas.

Oracle = Technical enough but mostly tries to outsmart and out play the person next to him on the most basic level.


As for the changes to lucas....I admit at first I didn't like the changes but...When I realized Down-B-WD-Bair spiked so many people I was like O_____O I love this!

I never said he was bad, and I have seen his recent stuff. Just that saying he is just as good implies he could basically get top8 at Evo if he didn't get super bracket ****ed. Beats Ice, Shiz, and Lucien in winners, and then loses to M2K/Armada back to back. SW could've easily gotten top 8 under better circumstances. Yeah I know, if he wanted top 8 he shoulda won, but I just don't see DJ getting top 8 ever at EVO in that field.

 

[Archangel]

I don't really see why not? A person who goes back and forward with Hax but plays an overall better character could tie with silent wolf. I don't think that's too big of a stretch considering Hax tied with Silent Wolf. Leffen(another fox) also tied with Silent wolf. If given the right bracket I see no reason why he couldn't have.

Different styles of play do better vs different styles of play.

Examples: Mango's Puff goes life and death with Armada's peach. Hbox's Puff easily handles Armada's Peach. Hax usually beats Axe when they play(close). S2J has to my knowledge never taken a set vs Axe. Zhu Styles on SS and beats Darkrain pretty comfortably. lost his first set vs Falcon in years against S2J.


Basically my point is you've gotta take a closer look before deciding who's on what level. Everything is relative. If brackets are good/bad for someone lots of things could've changed. Imagine if Wobbles had to play vs Armada early in winners for example. I don't see him making top 2 if that happened. but again, Speculation is just that...and this is a speculation thread after supposedly about tier lists. Anyway....now that the break is over. Anyone got any new tier list?

 

[DMG]

New tier list:

Wigglytuff
Fearow
Oddish



Oh I'm sorry, this is actually the list of "Pokemon no one cared about as kids"

 

[B.W.]

I loved Oddish as a kid...

 

[DMG]

^^^ Secret member of the Grass Gym

 

[Scythe]

i tried looking for a video of dj nintendo beating hax and only found like 5 tourney sets where hax won every single time.

 

[Oracle]

DJN got 65th at apex this year, whereas silent wolf got 9th lol though i don't think this discussion is worthwhile who cares about fox stuff

 

[Deleted member]

3 weeks later and i'm pretty sure sheik is still amazing.

/speculation

 

[jayeldeee]

So with Roy being revealed, does this mean it'll put Marth into an even lower tier?

 

[Nguz95]

So with Roy being revealed, does this mean it'll put Marth into an even lower tier?

Yessir! Roy is too hype and deserves to displace Marth as the premiere Fire Emblem representative.

 

[Plum]

Roy has fire. Marth has no fire. Marth is low tier.
We can clearly conclude that not having fire results in low tier.
#science

When I was in the PMBR, like a couple years back at this point I think, the initial stages of the clone engine were available with a functional Roy minus some stuff like sound effects. He was a blast to play even back then (and oh man has this game gotten better). It's beyond hype to see this finally ready enough to reveal Roy to the public.
Roy, at least for me, has the most enjoyable physics in the game. The fluid Marth-like movement with his dash dance and wavedash, but the SHFFL game of a fastfaller... so good. And having him not be garbage mode anymore is just too good. He was my favorite character to play in Melee, but with him being so bad I just played my second favorite Sheik. I think I'll have to change that up for Project M now

 

[KayB]

Kinda wanted Mewtwo, but I'll throwdown with Roy.

 

[DMG]

His Nair looks a little weird. It looks like ZSS decided to upgrade her whip and add flames and power to it. Other than that I approve from what he looks like!

 

[Plum]

Fire make everything better DMG.

EVERYTHING.

 

[DMG]

I did say "upgrade". It's clear on the tier list of anything, Fire is pretty high up there.

 

[Nguz95]

Betting all teh moneyz M2 is next!
Purple fire is on teh top o da tierz!