Tier List Speculation

[Strong Badam]

Because 30+ other characters are also better.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I figured that Squirtle was better at least than Dedede, but I can kind of see why he isn't.

 

[jayeldeee]

I'm curious why you think Luigi belongs in C tier when some players (maybe just one) played a potent Luigi in Melee and he is definitely better in 2.6b.

It's okay. I'll be that Weegee that rises up in the ranks.

 

[The_NZA]

Because 30+ other characters are also better.

Very true. So you really think Link is in the lower end of the B characters (I understand you think the placements in the B's isn't as important).

 

[Strong Badam]

Link's running speed is slow, and while he can mitigate that somewhat with projectiles, he struggles against fast characters, of which there are more in PM than in Melee. I had Link even lower until I played Hylian's Link for a week, heh.

 

[| Kailex |]

I think everyone shouldn't make so, in-depth tier lists... Just get some random player who plays all characters on a basic level against a cpu or a clone of himself and let him make it. Boom, a good tier list, just like dat

EDIT: don't read all that crap, tier lists should just die

 

[DMG]

Tier lists can never die

ever

 

[Professor Pro]

Snake being 5th is something of beauty, are the 24th best in the game days over guys???

Also it was a good read, and seemed like a reasonable tier list.
I'm still unhappy that this thread wasn't closed until Strong Bad posted, but that's something I have to live with.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I've still yet to be convinced that Snake is much better than, like, mid tier.

EDIT: DMG's avatar description is right on the money. GET IT?!

 

[9bit]

SS Tier
1. Fox
2. Falco

S Tier

3. Sheik
4. Peach
5. Snake
6. Marth
7. Wario
8. Pit
9. Wolf

A Tier

10. Zero Suit Samus
11. Meta Knight
12. Ivysaur
13. Mario
14. Donkey Kong
15. Diddy Kong
16. Bowser

B Tier

17. Jigglypuff
18. Ike
19. Pikachu
20. Charizard
21. Captain Falcon
22. Lucas
23. Ness
24. Mr. Game & Watch
25. Link
26. ROB
27. Sonic
28. Lucario
29. King Dedede

C Tier

30. Luigi
31. Zelda
32. Toon Link
33. Ganondorf
34. Squirtle

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Dedede is one of the worst in the game; I have to agree.

 

[9bit]

29th is like the highest I've ever seen him placed. Fraudulent tier list.

 

[Bryonato]

I bet you loved my list 9bit.





pls don't hate me

 

[leelue]

I had DDD way higher in my list, though he probably should have been 1 or 2 lower to put him in the tier below DK

 

[DMG]

I've still yet to be convinced that Snake is much better than, like, mid tier.

EDIT: DMG's avatar description is right on the money. GET IT?!

It's hard to place Snake sometimes because it's hard to judge how strongly his approaching issues affect him. He's not completely void of strong tools, so it's hard to place him near "bad" characters as well.

If he was left as is, with buffed approaching/mobility, I wouldn't play this game anymore if he was on the screen.

 

[Deleted member]

Toonlink is good guys...
right guys...
Right?

 

[DMG]

Bahahaha

Your pleas fall on deaf ears mortal

 

[Plum]

Squirtle should be moved up ahead of any LoZ characters purely for the sake of having the Triforce in the bottom three.
Other than this clear oversight, the list looks good.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

Squirtle should be moved up ahead of any LoZ characters purely for the sake of having the Triforce in the bottom three.
Other than this clear oversight, the list looks good.

If nothing else, at least the bottom 5 is in no real order so you can reorganize it in your head.

 

[MrBigstuff]

Squirtle should be moved up ahead of any LoZ characters purely for the sake of having the Triforce in the bottom three.
Other than this clear oversight, the list looks good.

The Hyrule Tier must return!

Those BBR cronies took it out of Brawl. It's time for the rebirth of Hyrulean mediocrity, albeit slightly less gritty and a third toonier!

 

[trash?]

I'd say that luigi isn't bottom 5. used to think he was, but there's enough luigi players placing well for me to believe otherwise (vist in particular)

 

[Deleted member]

I think TL is better than bottom 5. DI Mixups from grabs, good recovery, great kill options, good neutral game...
I know his matchups aren't amazing but I feel like they're better than other chars

 

[Plum]

Nope. Sorry. Triforce tier or gtfo.

 

[Strong Badam]

I think TL is better than bottom 5. DI Mixups from grabs, good recovery, great kill options, good neutral game...
I know his matchups aren't amazing but I feel like they're better than other chars

Such as?

 

[Deleted member]

i'm pretty sure falco vs TL is the best match in the game. falco shoots until TL does something, and then falco ****s it. great match.

 

[Deleted member]

I think I have trouble saying what characters TL is better specifically from overall matchups, but I could list some matchups I think TL has an advantage in.
Luigi, Ganon, GnW, Jiggs, Sonic, Lucario, Meta Knight, Peach, ZSS (Maybe), DDD, and Zard are chars I'd think TL would have the advantage in. There are a few other chars I could argue about but in the end I don't know.
If TL can keep his game of keep away up for long enough and play everything correctly I feel as if hes not the 3RD WORST CHARACTER IN THE GAME.
I also feel he would have a 50-50 with a bit of other chars. The only people I see bringing TL a lot of trouble is some of A tier, and all of S and SS tier. But thats not really a problem since I'm asking for tl to be at least somewhere in B tier instead of... 3rd worst character. Even low B tier seems fine IMO.

 

[Strong Badam]

No. You can't just say "I think TL is better than 3rd worst." You need to mention characters you think ARE, because someone has to replace him if he's gonna go up.

 

[Deleted member]

B Tier
28. Lucario/TL (debatable)
29. Lucario/TL (debatable)
C Tier
30. King Dedede
31. Luigi
32. Zelda
33. Ganondorf
34. Squirtle
I could see Dedede going down to the top of C tier.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I would agree with Toon Link being better than all of those C Tier characters, Zack.

 

[Paradoxium]

Why is toonlink bad? I've never played against any toon links or have seen any toon links play so I wouldn't know.

 

[Deleted member]

ToonLink is REALLY good. People don't know his potential because no one plays him.
I am trying to make him more known... key word is trying.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Every toon link player has been trying to show his potential and usually ends up losing.

 

[Deleted member]

Name the TLs.

 

[Vashimus]

I also agree Toon Link and DDD should switch places on Strong Bad's list.

 

[Professor Pro]

Name the TLs.

Jolteon, Okami and Daze play TL.

And it seems pretty hard to make a tier list which is well thought-out and I enjoyed reading Strong Bad's tier list.
No matter what happens some people who play that character will complain at the placing of a certain character, then when it switches, other people will start complaining.

There's no point in complaining when you can't provide a tier list imo...

 

[Archangel]

I think 2.6 DDD Makes it out of C-tier. He's finally fun to play without the "well I'll probably lose anyway" thoughts in your head.

I've still yet to be convinced that Snake is much better than, like, mid tier.

Well, I think some of it could be style bias. You play some super floaty characters. 1 of which has the highest Air mobility I've ever seen in my life. Then there is snake who's kinda heavy and has the lowest air mobility in the game. Is it possible that this is distorting your vision just a little bit?

for the record I'm not saying I think Snake is S-tier or not. I'm honestly not sure.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Whelp time for my first tier list

WHAT ARE YOU DOING PMBR TIER
1. Fox
2. Falco

S TIER
3. Sheik

A TIER
4. Snake
5. Wario
6. Peach
7. Ivysaur
8. Metaknight
9. Bowser
10. Ike
11. Marth
12. Pit
13. Wolf
14. Mario
15. Diddy Kong
16. Pikachu
17. Captain Falcon

B TIER
18. Zero Suit Samus
19. Donkey Kong
20. Charizard
21. Link
22. Lucas
23. Game and Watch

DELOCALIZED ELECTRON TIER (ie all these characters are roughly the same)
23.5. Jigglypuff
24. Ness
24. Sonic
24. ROB
24. King DeDeDe
24. Lucario
24. Luigi
24. Ganondorf
24. Squirtle
24. Zelda
24. Toon Link

 

[Jolteon]

TL only really does "badly" against space animals, and even then I think it would be really stretching it to include more than Falco (not saying I think he beats Fox/Wolf). His match-ups against floaties and mid-weights are either really good or match-ups where he goes around even, and having a losing match-up to space animals is not really a rare thing. I still think he's a top 10 character, he has flaws but his strengths are considerably more solid than most of the cast.

FWIW I agree with Prof that making a list for PM is really hard, bottom tier != bad necessarily, but a lot of people will associate bottom tier as bad when they read a list. "x isn't bad, he has tools blah blah!"

Also, I'm not really sure how you can say that, Kink. I only really ever consistently lose to Professor Pro and he is pretty damn good at this game. Fuzzyness and I go about even when he uses Fox (with which he placed 17th at Evo), and I always beat him when he goes Lucario/Lucas now. I do appreciate that the pool of good players I have played in tournament is small, though, so I guess that's a valid point.

 

[Juushichi]

Jolteon, Okami and Daze play TL.

So you have Jolt who I know played TL a lot. Okami hasn't been playing TL a lot to my knowledge (well, not PM a ton in general iirc) and hasn't Daze been taking 64 speed runs a lot more seriously recently?

I honestly think only one person plays TL even remotely seriously right now (Jolt). There's no real discussion on the forum or anything and even though that's not always an indication, it feels kinda discouraging for a character that already is unpopular (Pikachu is another one of this type).

Maybe I will play TL a lot more exclusively until BH3 since I feel like my Watch is in a good place and figure out some things.

For the record, I mostly agree with Strong Bad in terms of his placement of the character and placement of characters overall. He and I discussed it at length before NR, so I think we have similar lists. Would love to talk to Jolt a lot more about the character, though and I am pretty sure I will.

 

[Ace55]

Fuzzyness and I go about even when he uses Fox (with which he placed 17th at Evo), and I always beat him when he goes Lucario/Lucas now.

Inui logic is making me feel really good right now