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Tier List Speculation
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Nemiak temp
Smash Apprentice
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Are there any videos of Soras TL? His Young Link is one of the best and his TL is so good, not sure if there are any PM vids of him though.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Yeah I think it would be fair to say that Jolteon seems like the only active TL player atm.
Still all it takes one person I think to release a few videos with a character demonstrating it's ability better than the rest of the scene to change or solidify peoples opinion of him, you don't really need a massive amount of diversity though it helps.
I hope to get some more vids with Jolteon soon in multiple MU's (since there haven't been much TL vids to my knowledge) so it would be good to see what people think after
Nah, one guy changing opinions only works with you and Snake. No exceptions. 
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
LOL It's not just me (I have a feeling your post is slightly trolling but I'm gonna reply anyway lol)Nah, one guy changing opinions only works with you and Snake. No exceptions.
DK = Strong Bad
Calabrel = Lucas/Ness?
Dakpo = GnW?
Metroid = Charizard
Oro = ZSS?
There's quite a few people who have played a character and advanced it's metagame and changed the scene's perception
I only feel like Metroid counts for that list. Maybe oro. None of those players changed how I felt about the character except metroid lol. Also, there are a lot of good lucas players compared to most characters.
If there are any Teemo's involved in a post I'm definitely trolling
The only experience I have with TL is from videos, and I haven't seen anything that can really be considered recent so definitely get some new Jolt vids up.
The only experience I have with TL is from videos, and I haven't seen anything that can really be considered recent so definitely get some new Jolt vids up.
leelue
Smash Lord
Eli was winning tournaments en masse with DK way before SB won his. I'm not sure how Eli didn't earn DK this recognition
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Yeah my list has probably got some errors in it lol, it was just going off the top of my head and through names so sorry guys lol
...BUTTTT my point was still that other people have advanced a metagame and changed the scene's perception.
...BUTTTT my point was still that other people have advanced a metagame and changed the scene's perception.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Sort of true but not always.
People's perception of a character isn't always based on playing a certain level of player or winning a tournament though it obviously helps
Sometimes all it takes is a really good showcase of the character's abilities to change people's perception of what the character is capable of.
I saw Metroid play against someone who wasn't the best, but it led me to understand what Charizard is capable of and in turn changed my perception of the character.
It's bound to happen at the early stages of a competitive game since everyone's metagame hasn't been fully established.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Fair enough, I think having a understanding of the character speaks loudest for me, since I know people are at different skill levels so regardless of what character they would have picked up they would have likely placed around that area.
MM?
Sure, I'm down.
Archangel
Smash Hero
I've thought snake was good since I did the 2.1 vid.
I like how reflex has shown ppl constantly how good footstools are to combo extend with
...and nobody uses them still. poor guy.
on-topic: TL isn't bad, he's just less-good. no matter how much I would position a theoretical tier list, I would still always see the bottom 5 as characters you could get away with maining and still succeed, just not as efficiently as a top tier (theoretically, mind). there has to be a bottom 5 in the game no matter what, regardless of how close the worst + best in the game are, remember that.
...and nobody uses them still. poor guy.
on-topic: TL isn't bad, he's just less-good. no matter how much I would position a theoretical tier list, I would still always see the bottom 5 as characters you could get away with maining and still succeed, just not as efficiently as a top tier (theoretically, mind). there has to be a bottom 5 in the game no matter what, regardless of how close the worst + best in the game are, remember that.
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I footstooled the **** out of metroid.
leelue
Smash Lord
There has to be a bottom five, but there doesn't have to be a "Not winning a tournament" tier
I've started to footstool when I play Wario, but I haven't worked it in with anybody else.
Wario is ****ing good.
Wario is ****ing good.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
All of this being said, I want to bomb, then footstool and pluck another bomb while bounding off the enemy. Given Toon Link already frame traps bomb into dair, it should be even easier with a mashable attack.
It's funny how if there were no patch updates beyond 2.1, the game would be played (and more-so seen) by the public masses a lot different now than a year ago, and how that same thing applies to 2.6b.
Growing games are fun. In other words, watching people grow with a game is fun.
Anyone following another 'simpler' game-in-development called Skullgirls? PM is like that game on crazy drugs, and the community's general flip-flopping around of perceptions when the game literally doesn't move, is a good reflection of that.
Smash is crazy.
Growing games are fun. In other words, watching people grow with a game is fun.
Anyone following another 'simpler' game-in-development called Skullgirls? PM is like that game on crazy drugs, and the community's general flip-flopping around of perceptions when the game literally doesn't move, is a good reflection of that.
Smash is crazy.
Yung Mei
Where all da hot anime moms at
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wario so far is the only character ive seen implement foostooling effectively into combos
ive tried implementing footstooling in my general gameplay, and the only time i ever got anything out of it with any char was falcon and gnw, falcon just stomp, and gnw nothing because hes too slow to reach the ground after footstooling
ive tried implementing footstooling in my general gameplay, and the only time i ever got anything out of it with any char was falcon and gnw, falcon just stomp, and gnw nothing because hes too slow to reach the ground after footstooling
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
pretty sure you could actually shield/roll before falcon dair will hit you
I remember Oracle saying you can do footstool with Ivy (I assume into dair or uair maybe), also I think you can footstool -> waveland grab if they are grounded. I dunno though, I really need to explore this mechanic more. <_<
That seems very unnecessary.
MrBigstuff
Smash Apprentice
I saw someone theorycrafted a footstool uair string that worked til like 50% on most the cast, but I don't know if that was confirmed or not.
Burnsy
Smash Lord
Unless you are the type of person who is obsessive compulsive about your follow-ups being guaranteed, then yes.
Archangel
Smash Hero
I'm interested in seeing who the bottom 5 end up being.
The General since before was Luigi,DDD, GnW, and 2 other people of random choice.
2.6b bottom 5 idk about yet.
In my 2.6 tier list I had Sonic near the bottom as a joke but...he might actually be near the bottom. He was OVER nerfed imo. He wasn't bad before he just had really gay ass locks...and easy mode KO's. I don't care about easy mode KO's but the stupid "electric slide" i called it made me rage. Anyways, Sonic now seem like a turd. He's a very fast piece of poop from the local wawa that wasn't flushed by an anonymous source. He is the fastest thing alive but also one of the worst things alive in 2.6 imo.
Not a fan of TL top 10
Wolf worked really hard to get there man, why you gotta keep the furries down
HISTORICALLY
Little Boys UP need buffs
The way I see TL, he's a middle of the road character. If you like him, that's great eat up your breakfast burrito and scoot along with the sheild and hero's sword, if not then play Sheik or Fox and feel ****in INVINCIBLE like the rest of us
Wolf worked really hard to get there man, why you gotta keep the furries down
HISTORICALLY
Little Boys UP need buffs
The way I see TL, he's a middle of the road character. If you like him, that's great eat up your breakfast burrito and scoot along with the sheild and hero's sword, if not then play Sheik or Fox and feel ****in INVINCIBLE like the rest of us
I can't tell if Sonic really is as bad as everyone says he is or if people aren't adapting to the change properly and keep on playing him as if he's 2.5.
I'm convinced that a character as fast as Sonic can't actually be bad.
That said, he still has a fair number of nice tools.
That said, he still has a fair number of nice tools.
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Sonic still has an amazing ground mobility because of his dash dance and raw running speed. He can play offstage, has good killing power, still has a good recovery, and spin isn't useless. Definitely not a bad character.
Nguz95
Smash Lord
Sonic's killing power is underwhelming. His most powerful moves have either lots of windup or small hitboxes. He really needs to stick to his opponent like glue, which should be easy considering his speed, but is actually hard because he builds up so much momentum. Just my thoughts.
I was under the impression that Sonic was more of a gimping character. Giving him a solid kill move would be overdoing it, no?
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Sonic does have fair and his spring to gimp but it's not like he has trouble killing. But thats just me.
Fox has shine for gimps and upsmash. Don't you think thats overdoing it?
Fox has shine for gimps and upsmash. Don't you think thats overdoing it?
Pwnz0rz Man
Smash Lord
From my experience, Sonic needs a much higher % to really get a kill that isn't caused by gimping or a well timed fair meteor. On stage though, he isn't very threatening outside of his Dash Dance and the occasional grabs he can land out of it to push people off stage. Just about all of his ground attacks can be crouch canceled with ease and his range means he needs to be right on top of someone to really be able to start a ground-combo, unless he catches them off-guard.Sonic does have fair and his spring to gimp but it's not like he has trouble killing. But thats just me.
Fox has shine for gimps and upsmash. Don't you think thats overdoing it?
If you are patient, and can bait enough to force people offstage and follow that up with one of his gimpy attacks, he can kill, but outside of dash dancing, his on-stage presence feels a little unintimidating, just annoying.
Archangel
Smash Hero
Sonic has the best ground mobility. Everything else you said is a lie in 2.6b. At least by Project M standards. He can go offstage against maybe 3 characters with limited risk. His killing power is maybe 100% less than it was before with the exception of moves you shouldn't land on someone besides a CPU. His recovery is like King DDD's old recovery minus the mindgames. He can't air dodge after his up-b so it's kinda free. Just trade with him if you have to but either way sonic is pretty easy to edgeguard. His homing attack is worse as well. In fact a few days back I was hit with the homing attack while edgeguarding him and STILL killed him because I didn't go anywhere and he was still in front of me. Spin isn't useless. This is may be true but it's nowhere near what it was in 2.1 or 2.5. In fact....you have no reason to fear sonic at all anymore. He's like Pichu on lightning melee while everyone else is in normal mode. Fun fact, Sonic's spin loses to Falcon's Down-b.
yeah, I won't say that sonic is the worst character in the game. Being the fastest thing alive alone will give him a shot in various MU's but if he remains like this he'll be stuck in bottom 5 with low tiers like Marth.
@KayB People are adapting to the changes and they are getting the same results they got from 2.5 lucario's nerfs. Meaning Nothing and there is now no point to play the character.
Don't get me wrong. I've hated sonic since 2.0 but his current state is just....sad. It's like seeing the hottest girl from high school years later and she's an ugly meth addict with no teeth...like Whoa....wtf happened to you!