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Vanz and I play this MU all the time from both perceptive and we both agree it's slightly peaches favor. Her new tools help her alot in the match up and sheik losing guaranteed follow ups off grabs makes it harder to kill. I actually really like Sheik vs Peach for both sides though lol.Man, I want to hang with @Umbreon andNOTMalachi for like a week and grind out more Sheik.
Max, are you going to Smash and Splash or Neb (or w/e) in NY in April?
Malachi, if you're going, let's play some. But onto actual post related things.
Malachi, what are your thoughts on Peach vs Sheik in 3.6? Hanky is still absolutely destroying us (Me, Fizzle, Drephen, etc) in it. I keep hovering between 6-4 Peach and 55-45 Peach. I can beat the other ones around here because I play Tyler so much, but it's so ****ing hard.
I almost think Fox is an easier MU by now.
good luck with that
i'll see if i can get some labwork in to check dthrow more. the short version of my play is that bthrow has a higher release point so if the opponent is going to land i have slightly more time to react with the wavedash to their landing. CF is the same way, where you generally want to upthrow fox at 0% rather than dthrow because you know you have to tech chase regardless and upthrow gives you a better time advantage. using dthrow and a WD is what drephen innovated vs fox players in melee, which is a good basis to start with and im very familiar with it. i dont have any recent videos and tbh i dont enter much to begin with. i've been using WD out of the throw raw, dashing into it is worth looking into, and walking for that matter. actually buffing a walk might be the best because theres no way the opponent can DI behind you on angle 62 and it takes literally no skill to just hold walk before the throw animation finishes. will do some testing.
Ripple
thanks, visually it looked around frame 14, i wasnt even close
Juushichi
i will be going to splash n smash. my plan was to fly up to pennsylvania, get my motorcycle running, and then take that to chicago and back down to texas. i needed an excuse to go get it and this is it lol
which MUs? I asked this question recently but really didnt get straightforward answers. Id like to to know who you think bowser beats.
warioware, green hill zone, mostly. battlefield and fountain are good too. pretending that MUs only exist in the context of characters is too shallow and you'll forfeit tons of free margin. bowser wins because he dominates small stages, has a lot of lethal jank that people arent prepared for, and he just punishes really well which is good vs everyone.
...until you realize that Falco's favorite combo aerial also kills Bowser at like nil because no vertical recovery. Also, Bowser has to read a laser in order to actually DA through it. If he crawls, Falco does something else. Grab or shield probably.
naming off stages that a character does well on doesnt mean that they have winning MUs though. I see your emphasis on the importance of stages, and understand what youre trying to say, but with you having said that bowser is a good CP character/has winning MUs, I am genuinely interested in your opinion and reasoning as to what character MUs bowser wins and on what stages. Mostly because you are a well respected player and for the sake of knowledge (and my roomate who mains bowser) I would like to know your thoughts.
So long as you don't hit them... Which makes it useless for wolfs haxdashblaster
wasn't this matchup talked about as unwinnable for bowser like a month ago?
Not sure what you're trying to say... I never said my list represented the general consensus. The gap I was talking about is between the high tiers and the low tiers. Idk maybe it's just me but it seems that a line is starting to form between the exceptional characters and the less exceptional ones.
because people overrate him slightly. he's still probably easily the best in the game, but not by enough to warrant his own tier. i'm also pretty sure he doesn't lose to any of those characters, they're all probably 4.5-5.5 kind of matchups at worst.
none of those are really losing matchups though, especially not Ike. They're all even or Fox wins.
Can't wait for "M2K said D3 is broken it must be true" to be all over twitter. Good luck!
Falco is certainly not buffed.
I did a big writeup on Icies stage choice a while back, but the gist of it is this: in Melee, FD was important because it eliminated platforms, which Icies have trouble dealing with (though not as much trouble as most people think). In Melee, it didn't matter where you were on the stage when you grabbed them, because surprise! Icies had an infinite that worked anywhere on the stage and guaranteed a kill from that part of the stage. This was true in Brawl as well. In PM, they don't have an infinite (on everybody that works anywhere--they do have an infinite that works in a specific place on specific characters). Right now their strongest options are in the corner, because of the handoff. And it's hard to corner carry on FD because it's a super big stage. So it's significantly worse for Icies than it used to be. On the flip side, Icies have more leeway for handoffs on platforms than they used to, so platforms can be of more use than they were and can lead to a lot of kills. On smaller stages like GHZ, Yoshi's, FoD, WW, etc. it is easier for them to corner carry and get kills even earlier than they did in Melee with handoff into fair spike. Even relatively large stages with platforms like SV, PS2, and DL can arguably be a strict advantage over FD because they all provide opportunities for inescapable handoffs in places that aren't the ledge, where FD does not. So whether or not FD is good for Icies in a certain situation is a decision that makes you weigh between your neutral and your punishes. Tl;dr, it's not as important for Icies to get FD as it used to be (and it's not like Icies could only win on FD in Melee anyhow). So the different stagelist doesn't actually hurt them as much as a lot of people assume. In fact, their best stage in PM is arguably Green Hill Zone. It's kind of like a mini FD in that the platform isn't too huge of a nuisance to work around (like, people don't camp the GHZ platform that often because it's tiny and weird and spins around) but the stage is small so it's very easy to corner carry. Also, Delfino's can pretty much go to hell as far as I'm concerned, because it's all of the disadvantages of FD with exactly none of the advantages, and all of the disadvantages of a platform stage with exactly none of those advantages. So, I think that's an adequate summary?
DMG
I agree with all your other points. Just needed an opportunity to nerd out over Icies for a little (I'll take them as long as people keep giving them to me lol)
