The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[Kinzer]

and Uair has virtually no cooldown, so it just makes it almost too easy to get chains going.

 

[Tesh]

1st match vs that wolf
0:40 maybe you would have better followups from uthrow, you would have to bait his shine maybe.
1:21 spring > wolf's side B. but his upB will go through it. nice tech
2:11 coulda stopped him with spring.
instead of rolling away try crossing him up with a short hop uair out of shield
if theyre at super high percent but not high enough to kill with uthrow, use fthrow or bthrow maybe.
4:40 nice mindgame kill =D
5:03 uthrow to fsmash? maybe regrab or fair. after you condition someone to air dodge towards you then you can fsmash them.
you died right after using homing attack.... hmm

btw another thing you can do to wolfs illusion, on reaction you can sweet spot dair it near the boundary for a KO and still make it back. you gotta position you're self hhigh enough to still make it back, and inbetween wolf and where he would sweetspot approximatly, as soon as he starts just hit down C. then recover to the stage.

vs zss

0:16, if they block ur spindash dont do aerials just jump and keep going to the other side of the stage.
0:29 shorthop uair outta shield, dont roll.
0:34 double spot dodge, so intense, what does it mean? i guess you did dodge her utilt, but still...and then spring? turnaround grab, ftilt, shorthup uair...
1:35 jabs like that also frustrate me, nice getting around it.
1:49 sideB away from stage, jump cancel, bair dat samus.
1:52 mad read? lol.
2:33 WOW
2:57 fsmash... when people trip try to follow their gettup for a grab. fsmash only if they are near the ledge or otherwise are more likely to roll into you. or run and fsmash.
end kill. wow lol.

vs ike
ike actually frustrates me alot, im not very good at the MU but here's what i got.

1:49 i was about to type in spring him but it seems whatever you just did managed to kill him O_o
2:25 wow, terrible DI.
2:36 if he does up B at that hieght you have a tiny amount of time you can shield grab him, i think. i've done it once.
spring > aether.
2:58 HE AIRDODGED TOWARDS YOU CMON GET HIM.
3:01 short hop uair out of shield, tho you did get an fsmash on him from his bad read..
stop getting hit by ikes side B.

To add to this for ZSS:
When edgeguarding ZSS, just stay below her and punish whatever she does. If you can force her to use her flip jump to get over the ledge (which you did) you can ledge drop double jump a back air and hit her (I'm pretty sure she can't do anything about it) back offstage where she will likely die without her jumps.

If she likes to jab your iSDR, don't fully charge it. You will want to be able to shield cancel it and dash grab her out of the jab.

 

[B.A.M.]

kinda old (so i know to some extent what i did wrong), but id still love critique.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNz19kc9dGM Paper (GnW) vs B.A.M ( Sonic)

 

[da K.I.D.]

for anybody that didnt notice. theres a crap ton of vids of me on kinzer and tails' yt channels.

 

[Kinzer]

Yeah, I'm gonna put them up.

... Or anybody else that bothers to look. I'm going to be doing schoolwork now so unless anything else changes in that time I'll just edit them into here.

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm too lazy to look them up.
Link 'em here. It'll be easier for me to edit into the archives when I eventually update.

And please, please, PLEASE try to update in the proper format.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I'm too lazy to look them up.

why you think i posted without linking them to begin with?

 

[Espy Rose]

So that they'll never be archived?
I have no clue.

 

[Kupo Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-UxY03aToA - da K.I.D. (Sonic) vs. Kinzer (Mario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhdZNkdNUQ - da K.I.D. (Sonic) vs. Kinzer (Ike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzSmz5D0cNU - da K.I.D. (Sonic) vs. Kinzer (Fox) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odF[B] [/B]AG6UMeLk - da K.I.D. (Sonic) vs. Kinzer (Fox) 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWk8OwQYx7w - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Sonic) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGKwAgI9Ng - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Sonic) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Y0CmPySsI - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Sonic) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtgbEvzeYg - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Sonic) 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14HScdYHKQ - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Sonic) 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WB7vjQ5oE - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Toon Link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9xqw212yE - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Zelda/Shiek)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YxiI7ZEtk8 - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Falco) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm-x9jFZ12I - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Falco) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7itdOODB4 - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Falco) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmgP20D9HFk - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Falco) 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnwXrIjPvQ0 - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Falco) 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl2gyYD0lwc - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Ike)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83R5WJHSaPA - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Kirby)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUb_O1Q60k - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (PT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvIuC6fN20 - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Luigi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDnPyoypNDw - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Wolf)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VaFHYBT3U - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Meta Knight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SoP9ipsI-w - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Lucario)



How do you censor dodge a link? lol
Might do Tails' links later.

 

[Kinzer]

No no, I'll get them up right now give me a second.

Also BAM, if you ever read this. you need to tell me who it was you played. I'm sure it was just paper, but I want to double-check. It'd also help me if you told me where/when you played those matches out, and what kind of a match it was; though for that I'm sure it was a friendly.

All of these matches are Kinzer Vs. KIDGoggles:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWk8OwQYx7w - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Sonic) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGKwAgI9Ng - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Sonic) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Y0CmPySsI - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Sonic) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtgbEvzeYg - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Sonic) 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14HScdYHKQ - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Sonic) 5

... How long do you think it would've taken anybody else to notice that "A1" is in the URL of the 5th video...?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WB7vjQ5oE - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Toon Link)

:shiek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9xqw212yE - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDgoggles(Sheik)

I don't even think it'd be right to say he used Zelda if you ask me. I'll leave that up to either Goggles or you Espy.

Also lol @ me having to purposely put in "Shiek" so the icon comes up.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YxiI7ZEtk8 - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Falco) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm-x9jFZ12I - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Falco) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7itdOODB4 - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Falco) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmgP20D9HFk - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDgoggles (Falco) 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnwXrIjPvQ0 - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDgoggles(Falc0[/urlo) 5



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDnPyoypNDw - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Wolf)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl2gyYD0lwc - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Ike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhdZNkdNUQ - KIDgoggles(Sonic) Vs. Kinzer(Ike)

This video is a promise to all of you that I'll never use any other character in competitive play except for Sonic. :X



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83R5WJHSaPA - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDgoggles(Kirby)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUb_O1Q60k - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Pokemon Trainer)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-UxY03aToA - KIDGoggles(Sonic) Vs. Kinzer(Mario)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VaFHYBT3U - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(MK)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvIuC6fN20 - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Luigi)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzSmz5D0cNU - KIDGoggles(Sonic) Vs. Kinzer(Fox) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od***6UMeLk - KIDGoggles(Sonic) Vs. Kinzer(Fox) 2



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SoP9ipsI-w - Kinzer(Sonic) Vs. KIDGoggles(Lucario)

Please don't mind the video titles/description, I'm going to fix that now.

... Oh Also, Espy.

Misao.

Now your argument is completely invalid.

Inb4NoU.

NoU~!

Double Edit: Kupo is right, how do you get around a censor-dodge without killing the URL? The three letter word's "FAG."

 

[Sonic-Rave]

Haven't watched them all yet but something caught my eye. I'll edit this later if I have any other questions/comments.

Kinzer, in the Falco matches I noticed you placed a spring at the very edge of the stage when you knocked KID offstage. If Falco phantasms onto the stage and runs into the spring, will he really spring up? I never saw it actually happen but that was because KID either phantasm'd at the ledge or just in between the base of the spring.

I also noticed your use of usmash and nair was rather efficient. Are those good to use against Falco?

EDIT: The Lucario match showed me some things that will help me in the MU. And I think it's safe to say that you shouldn't spindash straight at Lucario at high % unless its for punishing lol.

 

[sonictailslink]

Thanks for the offer Kupo for posting my videos but I got it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOpazakTAs - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. Tails (Sonic) 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGF3VKvtaQU - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. Tails (Sonic) 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiEb-uzO_Eo - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. Tails (Sonic) 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDtjN_tEXY - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. Tails (Sonic) 4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFM3h9XUWQ - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. SK92 (Falco) 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53uuEq_Zil8 - KIDGoggles (Sonic) vs. SK92 (Falco) 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEVOFjzOxo -Tails (Sonic) vs. Rican (Falco)

:shiek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ewyWtTrVTU - Lord of the Morning (Shiek) vs. Tails (Sonic)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGjfx8N_Ixc - Tails (Sonic) & Kinzer (Sonic) vs. Rem56 (Mr. Game & Watch) & Andre (Zero Suit Smaus)

I still have some more friendlies with KIDGoggles, but I still need to record them. I've been kinda behind thanks to school. Hopefully during the weekend I can record and upload them.

 

[Kinzer]

Sharpie:

I'm not sure if that will work. I have no idea why I did it TBH, I think I was either experimenting or messing around. I couldn't tell you, since auto-pilot seems to take over, and everything I do is almost instinct. Sorry, I know it's a bad habit, I've slowly been working that out. :/

As for Nair and USmash, I just like those moves, regardless of character. You'll notice I use USmash a lot, and Nair occasionally.

Also KID, I don't think I played the MU right at all. The two; maybe three times we played, I got lucky breaks, and the one time I lost I was just obviously blindly charging in. I guess I wasn't in the zone that moment, ah well.

 

[Sonic-Rave]

Hmm, maybe I should incorporate usmash a little more in my game. But for some reason I'm terrible at using nair. I either poorly space it or just use it at the wrong time.

And it'd be cool if the spring thing on falco worked.

 

[Kinzer]

I would not recommend adding that much USmash into your game. If you take a look at my videos, I got punished quite a bit, and KID somehow managed to DI out of most of them.

As for Nair, it's an underused move if you ask me, but I still only encourage it for reads. Things like spacing and obviously Nair literally falls short.

 

[da K.I.D.]

nair is amazing when you fight somebody like falco, who by character design is a habitual spotdodger.

also, if you want to go for really hard spring reads, you can try and do something like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOHtlNJAycY#t=04m08s

 

[Sonic-Rave]

Hmm, alright then. I'll take both of yalls advice and work something out.

Btw, pretty sexy in the vid KID.

 

[WedginatorX]

Spring thing on falco works if he recovers too high. However normally people aren't stupid enough to fall for this lol. I saw blue do it to a fox in tourney.
Nair is only good against falco once you're out of the 50% range. He punishes you with cg or dthrow to whatever otherwise if you mess up. It can be used to punish recovery, airdodge, spotdodge, or a bad followup attempt. It's especially useful against falco. Just don't overuse it though.

 

[Espy Rose]

Archive's been updated.
A few things I wanna touch upon though:

- Excel/Sonic Orochi/Messiahfreak/Tesh/Arikie/Trent/Kinzer, for the love of god, post the videos up in the proper format. While it takes no more than maybe a MINUTE tops for Kupo's submissions (all of his KID/Kinzer vids only took a good 2 minutes to update into the archive), every single post submission by you guys took almost twice as long, if not more. So much of the process would be moot if you simply posted your videos in the proper format. The first page HAS the proper format set up on the first post. Please read it. Thanks.

- Excel, almost ALL of the videos in your giant post were ALREADY IN THE ARCHIVE. PLEASE look next time before you post!

- I have no clue how to bypass the censor dodge. Sorry. ;-;

- I want to make love to Kupo. Sweet, sweet love.

=====

That's all for now. Archive's been updated, so give it a look-see.
Keep the videos coming in.

 

[Sonic-Rave]

Archive's been updated.
A few things I wanna touch upon though:

- I want to make love to Kupo. Sweet, sweet love.

Makin dem babies at the speed of sound!

 

[Espy Rose]

Makin dem babies at the speed of sound!

According to the Steak Tree, Kupo and I aren't related.
Kupo...

Will you marry me?

 

[Kupo Rose]

Oh g osh!

 

[Exceladon City]

May I have this recorded please?

vs
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VP4FMG3R

It SHOULD be me vs Crash. v

 

[Trent]

I was unaware I was updating it in the wrong format. My bad Espy.

 

[NH Cody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WB7vjQ5oE - Kinzer (Sonic) vs. da K.I.D. (Toon Link)

lol...a Toon Link you are not

Don't quit your day job (aka sonic)

 

[Kinzer]

... That's what I told him afterwards.

"If you want to win, you're going to have to put up your best, or Sonic's worst."

Needless to say, it took him two matches. I'm not sure what good he thought Sheik would do him. I love beating up overhyped bad characters. Melee days are over, there's a new speed demon in town!

 

[da K.I.D.]

lawl.
im used to beating just about everyone up here with my secondaries.

I actually beat pikapika fox v pikachu for the first time ever yesterday. Beat him like 3 matches in a row too.

in all fairness, my toon link and my shiek are much better than those two matches indicate. not to mention the fact that I might have won that shiek match, had I not gotten halberd gayed.

 

[~TBS~]

lawl.
im used to beating just about everyone up here with my secondaries.

I actually beat pikapika fox v pikachu for the first time ever yesterday. Beat him like 3 matches in a row too.

in all fairness, my toon link and my shiek are much better than those two matches indicate. not to mention the fact that I might have won that shiek match, had I not gotten halberd gayed.

what this is i dont even.......

 

[Kinzer]

in all fairness, my toon link and my shiek are much better than those two matches indicate. not to mention the fact that I might have won that shiek match, had I not gotten halberd gayed.

N***a I am willing to bet another $5 that I could beat your Sheik in a three out of five set. I don't care about your fast attacks when all I need to do is stick out my Bair and it will either trade or more likely than not outlast anything that character has and not have me commit to any lag to punish if done right. :X

 

[NH Cody]

daaaaangg KID's gettin the call out

 

[Tesh]

Sheik has unstoppable chain camping against sonic. Its pretty much 90:10 just like ganondorf.

 

[TommyGreenShirt]

Sheik has unstoppable chain camping against sonic. Its pretty much 90:10 just like ganondorf.

What's unstoppable chain camping?

 

[Kinzer]

Chain-camping under a platform.

It doesn't work.

 

[Tesh]

It works on battlefield if the Sheik is frame perfect and the sonic isn't

 

[WedginatorX]

That's why you don't let sheik take you to battlefield, dumb***...
SV/FD are the better neutrals that are likely to be left against sheik that you'd hope to go to. Or at least that's what I (and also I think I heard meek have a similar opinion?) believe.

 

[Tesh]

Yo oreo that replay is just a ness vs a computer snake.

 

[Exceladon City]

Yo oreo that replay is just a ness vs a computer snake.

****ing Trevor saving pointless replays of his predictable spike happy Ness.

I meant to delete that garbage.

I'll get the right one...

Here you go

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JOK8FYX0

 

[Tesh]

sorry for the texture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmEiZbAFeIY

nice try first stock lol, mindgame

 

[da K.I.D.]

N***a I am willing to bet another $5 that I could beat your Sheik in a three out of five set. I don't care about your fast attacks when all I need to do is stick out my Bair and it will either trade or more likely than not outlast anything that character has and not have me commit to any lag to punish if done right. :X

hmmm... i dont know when the next time ill be in Vegas will be but I do love a good challenge (plus, its a nice change of pace to see you showing some backbone for once lol)

However, I must refuse.
My sheik is clearly not skilled enough to defeat you in battle...




ALTHOUGH

My SHELDA is DEFINITELY up to the challenge (dont know if you noticed, but shes better than sonic AND ike...) and for that, I do accept your challenge.

 

[Life]

A bit late on this, but as for the censor dodge you could probably just upload the video again (maybe a different account required IDK).