The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[Sonic-Rave]

Whether you think you're getting worse or not, your vids are learning experiences for me.

And the matches vs Ozz, I can learn stuff for both characters from those.

Good stuff Espy.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Only for you Espy <3


edit: Wow I'm pretty slow.

 

[B.A.M.]

hahaha espy with those fsmash ledge games. They seriously work too well. Love the grab game. O I just had to ask you a quick question Espy. Does Uair (if they dodge the second hit) > aerial (fair,nair,uair) frame trap? I was testing it out with my friend and it seemed to work. Also KID pointed me to a video when vs a Gdub you did uair>nair twice and it worked flawlessly. Ive been utilizing it like crazy and it makes uthrow just plain ridiculous in conjunction.

 

[Paix]

X's Sonic vs some Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhu60wliy6E&feature=related

 

[Espy Rose]

It depends on what the character is, and when they airdodge.

But generally, yeah, if they airdodge the second hit of uair, you get a free aerial out of it.

 

[Kinzer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAf9GDcSOM&feature=related X(Link) Vs. __X__(Sonic) 2

Might as well post the second match too while you're at it.

 

[Tesh]

Good god the texture on link's sword is distracting. I hope he didn't have to play with those on.

 

[Kinzer]

I couldn't keep my eyes off that sword.

Hey Espy, how about a section in the OP for all the people on Youtube who have/do upload replays of Sonic? I would like to find more people who uploads replays, but I don't know everybody's YT account.

 

[Browny]

uhhhh.... youtube search their name brawl sonic?

That should work the majority of the time lol.

 

[Kinzer]

uhhhh.... youtube search their name brawl sonic?

That should work the majority of the time lol.

I don't like getting the casual players' channels, I mean the ones who actually compete in tourneys for money and all that stuff, you know.

 

[Exceladon City]

I have a bunch of videos on other accounts.

Excel vs Joey 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZhrxsgWKY
Excel vs Joey 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ALPNmZ8aQ

Excel vs SamuraiPanda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtSMr0O8n80

Excel vs Rogueblades 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTrzUaUckeo
Excel vs Rogueblades 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ8onYfxyrk

Excel vs Steel Samurai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9_cdl6-1I

Excel vs Clowsui 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN5ScZzcDls
Excel vs Clowsui 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXe1VnACckU

Excel vs S2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1myWabzj8
Excel vs S2 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98QicH7IhmA

Bebop (Excel) vs Nope 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0SEys9KpzI
Bebop (Excel) vs Nope 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImcH2wQuAkY

Excel vs Hilt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Na2CNoi2vk
Excel vs Hilt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LdulG0qL8c
Excel vs Hilt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FygHCKmK6rM

Excel vs DJiskascribble 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbCl4EreJHY
Excel vs DJiskascribble 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO4vz6VFQ84

Excel vs Ryzen Xia 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9TSylrmM7k
Excel vs Ryzen Xia 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8j1f6-QntE

Excel vs Ripple 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J58goPRLJw
Excel vs Ripple 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ACvLdHMuM

Excel vs Dooms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfw8lwAVpM8

Excel vs Tactical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZK6-catDnQ

Vids galore. I'm sure I'm losing in all but 3 of these. A few of these are outdated. Like back when I started playing Sonic and such.

 

[da K.I.D.]

do you want sonic players accounts or accounts that regularly post sonic vids when they have them?

Because few people actually put up quality sonic vids consistently, and even fewer of those people main sonic.

 

[Browny]

I don't like getting the casual players' channels, I mean the ones who actually compete in tourneys for money and all that stuff, you know.

Seriously, wut.

Type in youtube search
"[person who goes to tourneys whose videos you want] brawl sonic"

2 outcomes, either you find thier youtube account like you were looking for, or they dont have one.

 

[Joemama8]

Excel vs Rogueblades 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTrzUaUckeo
Excel vs Rogueblades 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ8onYfxyrk

lol at how terrible i used to be. that was my first tourney ever. god i was sooo frustrated by the end of that cuz i thought i was pretty good going in. and everyone there quickly proved how wrong i was. it was a very humbling experience haha!

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm gonna loathe my next update.

Having to put videos in the "Old" section due to being submitted so late nearly doubles the amount of time taken to update.

 

[Joemama8]

lol sry espy you could just not add any past a certain month ago....

 

[Espy Rose]

The point of an archive is to chronicle as much content as I can.
I shall abide by that, despite my opinions on it.

Also, can someone find those vids of the shenanigans on Yoshi's Island Melee and Pokemon Stadium 1?
Those would be nice in the Misc. section.

 

[Sonic-Rave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7oKz1aws8 Here's the YI Melee shenanigans.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Also, can someone find those vids of the shenanigans on Yoshi's Island Melee and Pokemon Stadium 1?
Those would be nice in the Misc. section.

These ones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7oKz1aws8 - Yay for Yoshi's Island: A video by Tesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lumj9kYOYhc - Super Sonic Stadiums: A video by Tesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwPdEq9LY3E - Ariel Spin Dash Platform Drop Through: A video by Tesh


(I think the last one can be used too)


edit: ****

 

[WedginatorX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQ7bxj8R4E - WEDGE (Scourge) vs. Chimpakt (Diddy Kong) 1&2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLPT2XszRY - WEDGE (Scourge) vs. Chimpakt (Diddy Kong) 3

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Friendlies at my house yesterday. Chimp came over and we played some bawrlz. I have other matches to upload that I didn't record yet. These were the last three we played. We were most warmed up / more comfortable with the MU in those vids than the rest I have to upload.
I still have no clue how to handle diddy still I've played 3 of them now and I still have no clue what I'm supposed to do. I just try to copy **** from espy vs dekar, but I can't handle the bananas for crap

Also, critique plz.

 

[Kinzer]

Being as heavy on spin attacks you were in those matches certainly isn't going to help your case. Treat his bananas like you would any other projectile when thrown:

You're going to lose if you charge head-first into them with SDR.

Try being more grab oriented in this MU. It will certainly help you in being able to take control of his bananas, and thus, the match. I'm not saying forget about spins all-together, but cut down on that part and use it as a mix-up. I'm sure you know what I mean by that though.

Your item control could use some work too. Start throwing them in more ways the forward and back. It's not a good idea to throw them away when you can use them to your advantage. Sometimes it's best to throw the Banana down when you want to Trip Diddy and Pawnch behind him, or throw it up to pressure him the air and camp his landing on the ground. Grabbing out of the glidetoss wouldn't hurt either if the banana gets shielded. It works for Diddy, why can't it work for Sonic?

 

[WedginatorX]

Aight. I just be spindashing in because it goes over grounded nanners. I used to barely use spindash and that didn't work too well either. Guess I gotta find an inbetween here :l

 

[Kinzer]

Rolling over Bananas won't help when Diddy doesn't have to commit to his defense, while you are already commiting to an offensive. This isn't even when he has a banana in his hand gnughuieaighzgyreh.

And I say grab-oriented because a good Diddy should be able to keep up a wall. Not impenetrable, but certainly a hassle to get around. Dash Attack would/should be punished with a Banana toss OoS, a Spindash Jump would more likely than not get punished with an aerial OoS, and blah blah blah. Mix-ups, mah boi.

Probably a good thing to do would be to get him in the air. Camp his landing, and make it so that he is afraid to pull bananas. The thing about a Spindash approach is that you become limited in movement, and not always can it jump at the right angle for attack, in which case Diddy will go unpunished for something that should've made him regret whatever it was he did.

 

[WedginatorX]

Got it. I'm kinda horrified of the character after getting 2-0'd by he who shall not be named >_> diddy makes me piss myself now lmao. I used to be alright with glidetoss tricksies and such but I think I've lost my skill with em. To training mode i suppose. If I have smarter spindash/glidetoss usage, I'll probably be a lot better off.

 

[da K.I.D.]

^^^^^

100 times, that.

 

[WedginatorX]

KID, you got any input on the matches i posted, or just basically 100 times what's already been said?

 

[Exceladon City]

Playing against Diddy is a FRUSTRATING game of patience and observation. Like you REALLY have to focus on how they utilize bananas, so you can adjust your approach and punishing options to the fullest. If I get ahold of the bananas, I do 1 of 3 things; throw them behind me, throw them down or glidetoss them up. Granted the main idea of these are to keep them out of Diddy's hands. Option 1: Diddy, then has to fend you off without a reliable projectile, meaning you do much more damage and put him in much more compromising situations, because Sonic can kinda do that. Option 2: You have a better chance of causing the banana to become an obstacle, which leads to openings. Option 3: Keeps the banana in play longer and you can alter Option 3 and make it Option 1.

I've still gotta find a way around Count's Diddy. Hrmm...

 

[da K.I.D.]

you actually played the matchup really well in round 3, and that was the only one i watched.

from that vid all I can say is that you need to tighten up the technical aspect of your game, I saw a fair amount of incorrect inputs. but in terms of playing the matchup, id say you did quite well. its clear that youve learned a lot from playing adhd.

i dont really see why you feel the need to be afraid of the matchup, you play it better than most sonics I watch.

also, work on your nanner trix

 

[Zodiac]

Wedge I can sum this up pretty easily for you, stop sucking

 

[WedginatorX]

Wedge I can sum this up pretty easily for you, stop sucking

Loooool. LuvU2 Kiff. LuvU2.

also @ KID, yeah i do make some input errors :l i coulda had several kills and 2 stocked the SOB again if I didn't mess up my inputs. Like.. i fsmashed the wrong way 75% of the time i glidetossed > fsmash. and one time i even glidetoss > uair'd instead of fsmash. WTF? D: Isuggdatdiggalldayerryday.lululul.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

S.O.! (Sonic) vs Maluf (DK, Wolf) 1-2,15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fyLRn_-jtE

3rd one wasn't recorded, for some reason, but I did win that one.

S.O.! (Sonic) vs Kova (MK) 1-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9GfM84_X60

There you go, my fail Spring-dair D:

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I need to stop SDC so much. It's a habit I got rid once but it seems to have come back >_>

Any critique is appreciated.

PS.: vid quality is bad (easycap).

 

[da K.I.D.]

that wolf match is perfect description of why a lot of people used to think Rob ***** sonic back in 08-09. they were so busy trying to run in and attack the opponent that they ran head first into every projectile and high priority move the opponent put out.

you were playing the wolf matchup like he was dk. trying to just go full force and always keep pressure on, but wolf is not dk, so you cant fight them the same way.

try being more patient, focus on powershielding the lasers and the bairs. and making your way in slowly, then once you are inside safely, then you can work on being agressive and putting pressure on.

basically your priorities are mixed up. Staying alive and not getting hit comes before killing the other guy.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Just watched th mk vid, and good GOD, that was some free DI

as in you are just giving your stocks away for free to that shuttle loop.

also, needs more upthrow.

 

[messiahfreak2000]

MessiahFreak2000(Sonic) vs ThrillaGorilla(Diddy Dk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA2cp9bKpQw

14 minute vid my 1st match at L.O.S.T. Please criticize to your hearts content.

Quick summary:
-1st match is against Diddy. Not used to the matchup since playing wifi over a year ago. I have the edge in regards to Thrilla not knowing the Sonic matchup but he adapts and wins.
-2nd match also against Diddy. I CP Lylat hoping that the close blastzones help my kills and low platforms for follow ups. I also semi figure out Diddy's banana's and throw him off. I take the win.
-3rd match Thrilla CP's DK and Yoshi's. I have no idea how this matchup worked and only figured it out in friendlies afterward. I suicide once in match and Thrilla takes the win.

 

[WedginatorX]

MSF2K son, I was giving zodiac a bit of info for you while i was watching that vid (already seen it), but i don't know if he relayed any of it to you. get skype son D:< dayum.

Edit: We both agreed you need to learn your matchups. He told me you mostly wind up learning them on the spot, and that normally doesn't fly against most characters. the key to being a good sonic is knowing all his matchups. it's not like going in as MK and being able to guess what you need to do because it's similar to other matchups.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Thanks for the tips, KID. :D

I guess I was too hyped when fighting that Wolf. I never really thought of totally changing playstyles, as in from pressure to defensive. That's probably what got me last time against a, guess what, ROB lol

And I've always had problems with MK's Shuttle Loop though. I need to DI up moar I guess.

 

[B.A.M.]

Hey Espy watched ur matches with UTDzac, good stuff! I also saw the Trela match as well. How come you dont use side b as well when u are camping?of course its not as good as iSDR but its invincibility frames on startup are enough imo. Especially against Lucario, his aerials are basically single hit sans dair and anything else you can spinshot,VSDJ, etc.

And thanks for the reply regarding the aerials. Ive been spacing uairs second hit for free aerials all day as of late. Its seriously too good. Especially due to the fact very few characters can contest uair anyways.

We had this small smashfest/tourney last nite. And I did alright, I feel im getting the MK matchup down. I took your advice KID about overcommitment, and Tyrants advice regarding escape from coin flips. Had his MK last stock last hit and i choked lol. But it was good, its been awhile since I went to tournaments. Hopefully I can get some more tourneys in and add some more good placings to our boards.

Doesnt it feel good 3 stocking an MK twice? lol stupid Meta


EDIT: Also in a part of your videos i saw u SDR>bair to send them forward instead of back. Does anyone have the timing of that down? I was doing that a bit yesterday, kills soooo much lower (obviously) especially when ppl expect the bair to hit them the other way.

 

[Joemama8]

I've still gotta find a way around Count's Diddy. Hrmm...

He sits in his shield with a banana in his hand or on the ground... Approach carefully and grab..... never stop grabbing.....seriously always grab hahahaha!

 

[Kinzer]

EDIT: Also in a part of your videos i saw u SDR>bair to send them forward instead of back. Does anyone have the timing of that down? I was doing that a bit yesterday, kills soooo much lower (obviously) especially when ppl expect the bair to hit them the other way.

Uhm, just hope that they have improper DI and sue Bair when they're in front of you?

I'm really sorry, I don't have a clue.

Oh speaking of which, I'm going to be at an anime convention all day tomorrow. I'll be uploading our videos in the meantime. Today, I just chillax. *sip tea.*

 

[Tesh]

Videos from HOBO 27
I could use some critiques maybe, I didn't do too well.

ZSS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMeT65E8B0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZWsP2a9jA

Ness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6L8o1hLF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jE9YpTbd18

Grab releasing Ness was not allowed so I figured why bother using it in friendlies.

Yoshi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMC-u2eia0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtsPAohTRX8

That pivot grab....

Donkey Kong
youtube screwed up match 1 Final Destination
and match 2 Pictochat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktrjvnSFn0s

Did a dozen iSDRs into the Africa Punch.