The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[Kinzer]

Man this thread is getting filled by KID's trollin' rofl

I think this is much more correct.

Especially when you have Brawl matches that don't have Sonic anywhere in them and post the videos in a video compendium dedicated to Sonic.

 

[Orange_Soda_Man]

Maybe it's his way of saying it's smarter to not play Sonic?

 

[B.A.M.]

maybe its his way of showcasing a terrible MK? who knows. i want to see KID's sonic; i heard its great. Although i have yet to see decent vid of it.

 

[Kinzer]

Maybe it's his way of saying it's smarter to not play Sonic?

One of the few things he may be any bit correct on.

maybe its his way of showcasing a terrible MK? who knows. i want to see KID's sonic; i heard its great. Although i have yet to see decent vid of it.

Whatever it is:

Dat ain't Sawnik. Would be better served to nobody in the Ike or the Meta Knight video conpendiums.

I'm gonna quote myself here:

s'okay I guess.

I also like the bold part of your post.

 

[da K.I.D.]

You didnt hear that, nobody calls my sonic great.

and the 2 sonic vids above, im actually quite proud of, as they show me playing up to my ability, and not dying/losing to something stupid like the moving platforms in frigate.

one is of me carrying a meta in teams, and the other is me taking a guys last stock only taking 8% along the way.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Why are you so Slow Kid? I never see you run around. You just..stand there. Watching..waiting...stalking

 

[Browny]

KID being smart.

*looks at character main icon*

KID looking pretty dumb to me

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also kid and kinzer almost have the exact same number of posts lol... which is strange considering how many they have >_>

 

[da K.I.D.]

Oh so Tenki mains pit now?

Its called mindgames guy, I assume as a sonic player, you know a little something about them.

@shado,
standing still with sonic is just as much a mindgame as running. because if im standing in mid range, right out side tilt range, most people wont have the reflexes to react properly to what ever i do when i choose to attack, whether it be with dash attack, dash grab, or run behind f smash.

 

[Espy Rose]

Oh so Tenki mains pit now?

Its called mindgames guy, I assume as a sonic player, you know a little something about them.

@shado,
standing still with sonic is just as much a mindgame as running. because if im standing in mid range, right out side tilt range, most people wont have the reflexes to react properly to what ever i do when i choose to attack, whether it be with dash attack, dash grab, or run behind f smash.

This.

I remember one time, playing some friendlies, and I shouted:

"This is the greatest mindgame!"

I proceeded to WALK towards the other player, and grabbed him.

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Sonic's speed is definitely one to take advantage of at every possible moment, Shado, but that extends even to times where you're not already running/moving, period. Just standing still or walking with Sonic is something that puts the opponent on edge, especially considering the innumerable options Sonic maintains from a simple tilt of the analog stick.

PS: Trufax DJ. They post like, all the time, and I've been on longer than they have.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Xiivi showed me that Me, Tenki, and Kinzer are all in the top 50 of posters in all of SWF.

 

[Kinzer]

Speaking of top posters.

I thought we already established that I have no life.

And Tenki does not main Pit.

He mains Mewtwo.

In Brawl.

He's just that good.

 

[Exceladon City]

I finally has new vids of me playing. Granted C4NT1's camera refresh rate is made of fail and broken dreams you can still see the matches fairly well IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYOvRzvDHYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jARdebcDAUo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amSi4l9I9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHcEgb9j4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1tYZwOrD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPREJ3I3rw

 

[da K.I.D.]

i can only get throught like one full stock per vid.

its bad and way too hard too watch. but from what i can tell, you commit to ASCs too much.

 

[Arikie]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8203373&postcount=1379 my last post, looking for critiques again.

I've gotten a couple new videos since then, although they are kinda mediocre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzFGg_d4k-Y sonic-marth(siege)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iISMl_PhS-U sonic-gaw(siege)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmzhax5Hstg sonic-marth(siege)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9B-QEto70 same marth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16JE9SiM6yo sonic-mk, this was a really bad friendly. please don't watch it unless you appreciate failure.... worst example of siege's mk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcO9hvj85P0 sonic-mk(siege) this was meh....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAuN2psauyQ sonic - diddy(siege) siege doesn't main or secondary diddy

if you ask i will let you add annotations....

EDIT: I got some more.
my sonic vs ignis' snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psz3x1Uk-vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhYpuPBuzNk

my sonic vs ignis' falco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZkHOo0Hf3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6v0GDpTBYs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEjD-KYw99U

 

[Espy Rose]

Threads been updated.

Excel, if you can, please get those videos in a better format. They are incredibly difficult to watch, so I didn't include them in the recent update.

Keep the videos comin'.

 

[sonictailslink]

It's been a while. Here some new videos of me playing. Feel free to criticize them if you wish

Tails (Sonic) & Sal (Yoshi) vs. Z (King Dedede) & Tudor (Samus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdzDtbZ2wdg

Tails (Sonic) vs. Krevin (Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqSx4oEkGo
This match I was really off my game because it was early in the morning and my first match of the day and I didn't expect Krevin to play Sonic on me since he play Yoshi.

Tails (Sonic) vs. Maurice (Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix3YoO085wQ

 

[da K.I.D.]

nice hypno smash in th emarth vid.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Havn't uploaded anything in a while. Those aren't exactly games 1 & 2, there were other matches but I didn't record them. Wouldn't mind some critique. (Or tips on how to deal with Olimar in general)

All Wifi. (No surprises there) Lag was minimum. Probably the closest wifi match I ever had. Scotland & Ireland.

SoniKupo (Sonic) vs mcmuff1nman (Olimar) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yx0gvc0UU

SoniKupo (Sonic) vs mcmuff1nman (Olimar) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBkG4gdywkU&feature=channel

If Olimar nair'd more. Would I've had a much more tougher match?

 

[~TBS~]

hey kupo. I saw your matches already, and i love your textures along with the choice of music. And yes, if Olimar nair'd more, that'd could cause problems.

overall, you did pretty well. you remind me of Shado with the dash dance to run. XD I liked the 2 stock though. I'll try to help...even though it might not help. :/

First match was pretty good, edgehog Hedgehog too good. And you spring spawned him second stock, and at 2:01 haha. Just be careful not to directly approach olimar. I mean directly running into him or spindashing into him. We all know what happens to spindashes and Olimar. <_< ASC is fine, but utilt and nair will stop it, so dont get too comfortable. I didnt see many mistakes in this match, good job on the 2 stock.

Second match, olimar wised up. He didnt try to approach you as much, forcing you to approach when he had a lead in %'s. @ one point, you had a lead, but olimar's pikmin throw and defense made it hard to get any more damage in. Now here is where you have to slow down and mix it up. If you kept on doing the same thing and getting predictable, the olimar would have just owned you. Not saying that you did. Also, its crazy how early he can kill. :/

Olimar basically is supposed to wait and camp while spamming at the right time. You cant approach directly, his utilt, nair, and grab stops spindashes/ASC's, and he can kill ridiculously early. But so can you. Edgehogs **** him if timed correctly, and with spincancels and mixups can lead to severe punishments. You just have to play it safe (inb4remarksaboutsonicnotbeingsafe), even though against olimar, thats kinda hard.

I hope this is accurate and helps.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Hey Speed, thanks for the help!

Meh, I should've known I would have had a much suckier match if muffin (that Olimar) camped/nair'd me more.

Yeah, I had a @_@ moment when I got star KO'd at under 100% in FD. I was kinda lost on what to do when I couldn't get near him from all those Pikmin throwing too =/ and I get bored pretty fast if the match starts to drag on.

Nah, you're right. I'm still a predictable state as Sonic. Need to work on that >.<

<3 DashDancing

 

[Arikie]

Can I get some critiques on my videos please?

 

[Kinzer]

That second stock you lost to Marth in the first video (in your last post with the new batch of vidjas) could've been prevented. I don't know about you, but I almost never use Homing Attack when I'm that close to the stage and recovering. It has too much lag, and is punishable whether or not it locks on to somebody. Only instance I could think of it being useful is when you're caught under a stage and you need time to recoup or using a Spring at the moment is dangerous because it doesn't snap into the ledge.

Try insta-edgehogging Marth more. I find it easier to use that instead of trying to work with the Spring offstage. If he gets back on the stage, perfect chance for you to ledghop and Fair. If successful, woohoo, he has no choice but to plummet to his death.

As for G&W... There were quite a few of chances for you to punish him, yet you did nothing. I know it's hard since his attacks stay out forever, but if you need an example, just look at :17 of your first match on the dropdown list. I'm not sure exactly how fast his DTilt is, but it can't be any faster than his jab, which is 4 frames from a neutral position. Since you two clanked, you had an advantage with your 3 frame jab and your 4 frame Forward and Down tilts. I'm not going to be strict on this since it seems like a problem in general, but work on that if you can.

A little tip to think of when you're fighting a G&W player. Once you hit about 70%, be more cautious. Most G&W players will get predictable and try to kill you early. Can't blame them, his smash attacks are retardedly powerful. I think as long as you don't try to do something risky or mis-space something and get hit by his attacks, he can't kill you for another good while. Don't commit or be too slow (to react), is what I'm trying to say. Can't be too hard with Sonic, he has fakeouts and speed out the wazoo.

Let me know if you want me to look at the ones with Snake or Falco. I haven't watched them and haven't had the chance, what with schoolwork and my internet being so slow and me just trying to get better myself.

 

[Arikie]

text.

Thanks a lot, I will remember the frame things and about the 70% kill range stuffs. and what you said about edgehogging Marth. =D

It would be cool if you could look at my other videos, but I dont need it in a hurry. My next tournement is on the weekend after this one(28th saturday). but I especially need help against FALCO if you have the spare time.

 

[Kinzer]

I don't think I can help you with Falco when I myself have problems with him. Though maybe because I make a better coach than I do a player, I may still be able to help you regardless.

Just tell me if you still want my advice even knowing that.

Still, to save you the trouble, I'll tell you now that it may be wise to eat some of Falco's Lasers at 0%. Just enough to avoid the Chaingrab, it' definitely better to get ~15% damage worth of lasers (may need to be more %, I'm not sure. I'll leave that up to you to find out) than it is ~45% damage of D-Throws.

I'd suggest not spotdodging. It does you no good when all of Falco's aerials seem to auto-cancel, last so long, and sometimes they do that to bait you into his USmash. It isn't Fox, but it's just just as much of a nuisance. If you feel you're shield is low, then just run away and plank or SHAD (short hop airdodge) to avoid lasers.

I suppose those are some general tips. Not using Spindash as a direct approach is the last thing I have to say. It's too limited in its uses as an approach, and Falco can just press (not hold, he still has to time it right) A to swat you out of it (the window of timing isn't small for him). Not to mention lasers can still hit you...

 

[Arikie]

I don't think I can help you with Falco when I myself have problems with him. Though maybe because I make a better coach than I do a player, I may still be able to help you regardless.

Just tell me if you still want my advice even knowing that.

Thanks for the tips.

I don't mind any advice you could give me, but if you know a falco matchup expert that would be cool. I'm not in a hurry so whatever.

 

[infomon]

I'm not sure exactly how fast his DTilt is, but it can't be any faster than his jab, which is 4 frames from a neutral position. Since you two clanked, you had an advantage with your 3 frame jab and your 4 frame Forward and Down tilts.

Sonic's F-tilt and D-tilt are both frame 6, not frame 4. (and with Ftilt, it's just the first (smaller) hitbox that's frame 6.) just fyi

 

[Kinzer]

Are you sure they're 6 frames?

I could've sworn that when I played debug mode and tested it out for the lulz, the hitboxes connected after 4 freezeframes.

Maybe I did something wrong, remembered it incorrectly. I have no problem retesting it if you need me to do so.

 

[infomon]

I remember testing them both with the frame data and confirming ShadowLink's frame data for myself. You're welcome to retest though.

 

[Kinzer]

Disregard. Tails covered for my lazy @#$ and found out that both Forward and Down Tilt do in fact come out on frame 6. I must been confused, maybe I was thinking about the Spring Projectile. I know for certain that comes out on frame 4.

It seems to work anyway, I guess people can't react quite fast enough.

 

[sonictailslink]

Disregard. Tails covered for my lazy @#$ and found out that both Forward and Down Tilt do in fact come out on frame 6. I must been confused, maybe I was thinking about the Spring Projectile. I know for certain that comes out on frame 4.

It seems to work anyway, I guess people can't react quite fast enough.

Glad that I could help out Kinzer. Besides, I wanted to also find out myself and learn the debug code

 

[Arikie]

So does that mean I have a frame disadvantage? what else can I do to ignis?

 

[infomon]

from neutral, Sonic's jab beats everything G&W has except shield.

(that's an important exception though, lol)

note that our jab even clanks with his Dtilt, even though it looks like his Dtilt is very low.

G&W's hitboxes are weird; they don't match the animations. Again with his Dtilt as an example -- it looks like his Dtilt comes fully out, before there's any hitbox at all. So don't be fooled into thinking it's faster than it really is. (It's still very fast, but like, yeah..... jab will clash or beat it lol.)

 

[ShadoFiend]

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Didn't know that lol. Thanks for the knowledge infzy

 

[da K.I.D.]

just for the record, are you including the fact that sonics jab gets out ranged by ALL of Gdubs moves?

and for the record sonics jab gets our ranged by about 95% of the moves in the game, it doesnt really matter how fast it is if you can hit anybody with it.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Its still good to know KID. Dont bust balls.

 

[Kinzer]

Yes.

Which is why I don't have much use for Jab, even if you see me utilize it a lot in any of my matches.

I use it because it is Sonic's most rapid-firing attack and can cover what little area it does if you just hold down the A button. There's that, and I suppose I also use it t refresh my moves. 3 tallies compared to only one on everything else but pummels is nice, in case you have been decaying your moves earlier than you should have used them.

 

[Trent]

Videos of my last tourney finally went up on youtube. These two are of me fighting Wario, any advise or any critique at all would be much appreicated!

Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5r6WYnKih8&feature=sub

Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgjnwKDGLo0&feature=sub


We played w/o texture hacks in the actual match so it's weird to see me as Metal Sonic.. I would never use that texture.

 

[da K.I.D.]

some new vids.

heres a couple vids of camalange NOT chaingrabbing ness. and ultimately losing because of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZC3NsHc4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZTVcuKTP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc5RxuVEQFA

and even tho it probably shouldnt go up on the OP i thought you guys would want ot watch this set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdbdyXapc1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux-4ztPJ8WU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAIrL6mc-Q

and heres a funny set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_a0PoNxgVg&feature=sub lol check the assisted spinshot at 58 and the kill at 1:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr22sQRtH2o&feature=sub

 

[Boxob.]

I like jab, jab, dash attack.

Works sometimes, higher percents usually cause it pops them up higher.

 

[Espy Rose]

Chibo's Sonic's adorable. It's like looking at Sonic's metagame back in July.